List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[The Again Redemption]

Maybe, maybe not. If he can get substantially more, good luck to him.

There is pragmatism associated with players leaving now. We love the club with players coming and going, so be it

 

[dudeintheswamp]

To me this reeks of Nathan Buckley getting in Windy's ear and saying come with me mate, I rate you highly and we can do this, this and this.

 

[littlecreatures]

I never even mentioned the other 2.

People are going on about windy. But unless he was tagging of late. He wasn’t seeing a CBA.

If you want to bring the other 2 into it. Go for it. Not exactly sure what point you are making here? No one has compared them as similar players.

But that’s basically the point. Here you are making a big song and dance around Windy on reduced CBAs, but it’s also the same argument for McKenzie and Flanders which you haven’t bothered to mention. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Joffaboy]

I’d say there is some youthful immaturity here.

But then again, he might genuinely think he does deserve it.

In the fullness of time, right?

Would be very enticing if we have told him where we envision him playing and another club offers midfield and a couple of hundred grand a year more.
Who could begrudge him?

 

[stavro#4]

Would be very enticing if we have told him where we envision him playing and another club offers midfield and a couple of hundred grand a year more.
Who could begrudge him?

As I said earlier. No issues if takes it. But I don’t think good list management is matching it either.

 

[bird_man]

Do think people buy memberships to watch Windy play? Not many players have that pull, we have one in NAZ that just attracted 17k new members, yes at a discount, but if we perform, maybe half will stick, that's 8.5 k new members.
Reckon we haven't had a player like that since Plugger.

What are you on about Joffa?

When did I suggest people would buy memberships to watch Windhager?

Just thought it was funny the other poster suggested people would buy a membership to watch JSOS. All off a sudden the guys is a superstar

 

[akaifu]

Petracca to Hawthorn
McKenzie to St Kilda
Windhager Hawthorn's first pick to Melbourne

D-Mac mark II ?!

 

[Xxxx66]

Watching this week's games, just reiterated my view that if you are aiming to contend you need to recruit players who's game stands up in finals where everything goes up a level. Quick thinking, single touch, execute under pressure etc. The good players rise up and the average players are exposed. Aleer and Flanders didn't step up. Would different coaching or method make a difference, I don't know

 

[Joffaboy]

There is pragmatism associated with players leaving now. We love the club with players coming and going, so be it

A club will cut a player at the drop of a hat, the only loyalty is from fans. Can't expect it from players when they have a small window to make a large amount of $$$.

 

[Joffaboy]

What are you on about Joffa?

When did I suggest people would buy memberships to watch Windhager?

Just thought it was funny the other poster suggested people would buy a membership to watch JSOS. All off a sudden the guys is a superstar

Yeah sorry, edited the original post to make it make more sense. Read like I was saying Windy wouldn't drive memberships, not what I meant.

 

[stavro#4]

But that’s basically the point. Here you are making a big song and dance around Windy on reduced CBAs, but it’s also the same argument for McKenzie and Flanders which you haven’t bothered to mention. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

I think you seriously struggle to understand the argument and have tried to get me in some kinda gotcha.


There are numerous posters talking up Windy as a midfielder that must stick around. For whatever reason, he wasn’t a Centre bounce mid unless he tagged from R16 onwards - which coincided with Nas going in there. So there is a genuine argument that the club doesn’t see him as part of its starting onball brigade.

You throwing Flanders and Cmac at me are weird when I’ve clearly stated

A) I see Cmac as another Hall. But you want the data. Sure …

Windy averaged 45% CBA across the entire season.
Cmac averages 48%.

Flanders 9%

However my other point, was that it’s likely…

B) we are recruiting Flanders based off his 6 game sample size as a midfielder in late 2024.

His CBA during that span was at a whopping 80.5%

 

[Teflon]

Mind you, we have a current player on an 8 year contract who can't get on the field, and probably will never see a full season out..

Yep and he’s exactly the same type player and position as Windy ….
Carry on ..

 

[SaintSteele9]

To me this reeks of Nathan Buckley getting in Windy's ear and saying come with me mate, I rate you highly and we can do this, this and this.

Can’t understand it if not. A club with no coach currently, so who is selling what dream to him besides the years and dollars?

I’d enjoy eating my hat eventually on this but I don’t love Silvagni in, Windhager out (not as a direct causation, just as overall list changes)

 

[akaifu]

Can’t understand it if not. A club with no coach currently, so who is selling what dream to him besides the years and dollars?

I’d enjoy eating my hat eventually on this but I don’t love Silvagni in, Windhager out (not as a direct causation, just as overall list changes)

What about Silvagni + early 2nd/late first for Windy

 

[Teflon]

Watching this week's games, just reiterated my view that if you are aiming to contend you need to recruit players who's game stands up in finals where everything goes up a level. Quick thinking, single touch, execute under pressure etc. The good players rise up and the average players are exposed. Aleer and Flanders didn't step up. Would different coaching or method make a difference, I don't know

Underrated post agree
It’s the type of pressure you KNOW that in a big game Max Hall won’t stuff up
That’s the model right there
It is true Windy has improved his decision making and skills so I’d prefer to keep but not at any costs (you watch the Melbourne game back last 2 mins …it’s him who wins that contested ball to Wood who kicks to Nas and as others pointed out…Nas has been on the receiving end of some of Windys good work)
I just genuinely hope that Lyon and co have sat down (seriously) and explained to this lot IF you really want a flag you aint all getting max dollars ..
But I’d skip Aleer of the new recruits
JSOS - fine If he can stay on park
Ryan - in 2 years I think he’s cooked 3 a stretch
TDK - age potential there …can he hit it but worth a crack
CMAC - I liked what I saw with Hawks think he smarts another Hall ?
Flanders - mystery atm to me

 

[Lightsxo]

I mean this very politely. Windhager isn’t this good for people to be up in arms lmao.

Part of the game, we shake some players loose and some of ours get taken as well.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Let's not drop our bundle over a statement by Finey. Let's wait and see. I still feel he stays--all the Twomey etc talk was a 4 year deal would do it and he wants to stay. I doubt he is desperate to leave over a few shekels. It's probably posturing by manager to squeeze more money out of us.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

hmmmm

 

[akaifu]

I think it’s more likely that Fine’s news is about a week old and he misheard North Melbourne for Melbourne than it is that Windy is leaving after we offered him 4 years

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Well, if DAZN deals with Kayo like they do with their own streaming service there will be blackouts, crap quality, games not being broadcast and awful, awful overcharging and customer service.

Happy days.

That’s what I have heard from some of our American counterparts. It’s a little bit of a worry.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Jackson Voss has had a fantastic year - definitely worth picking up with a late pick

Agreed. Even more so if this draft is as weak as some people say.

 

[SainterinSydney]

I think you seriously struggle to understand the argument and have tried to get me in some kinda gotcha.


There are numerous posters talking up Windy as a midfielder that must stick around. For whatever reason, he wasn’t a Centre bounce mid unless he tagged from R16 onwards - which coincided with Nas going in there. So there is a genuine argument that the club doesn’t see him as part of its starting onball brigade.

You throwing Flanders and Cmac at me are weird when I’ve clearly stated

A) I see Cmac as another Hall. But you want the data. Sure …

Windy averaged 45% CBA across the entire season.
Cmac averages 48%.

Flanders 9%

However my other point, was that it’s likely…

B) we are recruiting Flanders based off his 6 game sample size as a midfielder in late 2024.

His CBA during that span was at a whopping 80.5%

As a midfielder, I prefer Box to Windy long term. Flanders has shown more as a midfielder as well. Can Windy find a spot outside of our midfield?

My heart wants Windy to stay, but my brain understands it's not the end of the world if he leaves.

We desperately need key position players. A fully fit JSOS is a game changer for us, whereas we can cover Windy in my view. People comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

if Windy decides to leave his mates and a team on the rise to go to a club with no coach and in a shambolic state for a few extra dollars then good riddance

If Saints do have some success in a couple of years time then you will start to get players who are happy to join on the average salary, instead of taking inflated overs. He could potentially regret that decision if he joins Melbourne and they stagnate while Tasmania and the compromised drafts come into play.

 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

That’s what I have heard from some of our American counterparts. It’s a little bit of a worry.

I had NFL International Game Pass for years. As soon as DAZN took over I knew that I wouldn’t be renewing my subscription. It was terrible and had terrible Customer Service

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Is Windy really that desperate for cash that he’ll go and join Melbourne in what will likely be some pretty lowly seasons for them? Seems strange to me.

I’d actually choose North Melbourne over them. Play under Clarko, play with some talented first round youngsters. They will rise eventually.