Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[lachy]

This board is good for a laugh at times. A rumour comes out and we either should be all in, if we don't get said player we are rubbish, if we are targeting said player we are not serious or Power is panicking.

There is 4 weeks till trading can even start and 5 1/2 weeks till it is done.

Comments on who we may be linked to or not or who we should approach is fine in a forum like this.

Judgement being cast is dumb bordering on moronic. And to think we have a thread potting what opposition supporters have.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Mitch McGovern

11

Mitch Mcgovern

Age

31

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

189.8

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.1

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

179.6

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

218.0

4star

???????????????

 

[Ash1337]

McGovern is likely going to be shopped around because he's 1 of their problem players. He's 1 of the players that doesn't do the hard stuff. He's Stringer like. Talent but does the bare minimum.

 

[grassman75]

McGovern would be a questionable pickup. An absolute tease of a career, undeniably has enough talent but soft and doesn’t work hard enough

If he hasn’t worked it out in the decade he’s been on AFL lists, it’s doubtful that it’ll click now

Why would you trade Buku to pick up McGovern? Buku is cheaper and younger…

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Why would you trade Buku to pick up McGovern? Buku is cheaper and younger…

Not a snowballs chance in hell would I give up Buku for Gov. I'd rather play Buku down back all season in seniors than Gov for 1 minute in the VFL side.

 

[iambrilliant]

McGovern is just Tim obrien with brown hair

 

[Optimistic Dog]

We really need a hard arse defender like Hardwick or Maynard. We have a hard arse mid fielder like Newcombe, Atkins and am I dare to say Dunkley in Libba but he is near the end. So, a defender and midfielder that would run through brick walls would be worth their weight in gold in desperate finals.

 

[TiAn_]

Nick Haynes

26

Nick Haynes

Age

33

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

looked like he’d been cooked in a pizza oven inside a factory that was on fire and was great for Carlton this year. Buku out for a pick and McGovern in for free is a defensive depth upgrade.

 

[Foxman98]

Nick Haynes looked like he’d been cooked in a pizza oven inside a factory that was on fire and was great for Carlton this year. Buku out for a pick and McGovern in for free is a defensive depth upgrade.

No idea why Silvagni was seen as a massive savior and McGovern is seen as a complete dud

Both injury prone however Gov has played the better footy of the 2 in the larger sample size

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Does anyone know if the dogs ever look at Irish players or it is in the to hard basket. There have been some good success stories. I think we may have tried one years ago who went back home after a few months.

 

[Mutt]

If we did not play at Ballarat, we would be selling games interstate and less dogs supporters would be seeing their team. I occasionally go to interstate games but always go to Ballarat on the train. Having said that I think we should not play there again until the redevelopment is finished.

What would the short-term and long-term financial consequences be for the club if the AFL agreed to give us two MCG home games instead of two at Ballarat, and we rebalanced which teams we play home games against across Marvel and the MCG?

For example, we played two home games each year at the MCG against two of Collingwood, Geelong, Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn, maybe Melbourne?

The financial pain would be bearable for the club in the short-term, and in the long-term would create a more sustainable home ground model where we play more "blockbuster" games at the G and reserve Marvel for those games where we are unlikely to draw more than 50,000 for a home game.

If we are to be a BIG club sometime in the foreseeable future, I don't see Ballarat as being part of the solution. We need to be a minor MCG co-tenant and then aspire to become a major MCG co-tenant. That's how you grow the base and make the club more attractive to good players from other clubs who are on the move.

We should want what Carlton, Essendon and Geelong have : a few MCG home games each year and the remainder at Marvel (or alphabet park.)

 

[MaxiBont]

Why would you trade Buku to pick up McGovern? Buku is cheaper and younger…

Buku won’t be cheaper if reports are to be believed. Carlton offering 600k for 4 years.

We shouldn’t match that

 

[CarnTheScray]

Why would you trade Buku to pick up McGovern? Buku is cheaper and younger…

I would trade Buku and not get McGovern.

 

[W W Biscuit]

Buku won’t be cheaper if reports are to be believed. Carlton offering 600k for 4 years.

We shouldn’t match that

But we shouldn't have to? Isn't he contracted for another year?

 

[lachy]

What would the short-term and long-term financial consequences be for the club if the AFL agreed to give us two MCG home games instead of two at Ballarat, and we rebalanced which teams we play home games against across Marvel and the MCG?

For example, we played two home games each year at the MCG against two of Collingwood, Geelong, Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn, maybe Melbourne?

The financial pain would be bearable for the club in the short-term, and in the long-term would create a more sustainable home ground model where we play more "blockbuster" games at the G and reserve Marvel for those games where we are unlikely to draw more than 50,000 for a home game.

If we are to be a BIG club sometime in the foreseeable future, I don't see Ballarat as being part of the solution. We need to be a minor MCG co-tenant and then aspire to become a major MCG co-tenant. That's how you grow the base and make the club more attractive to good players from other clubs who are on the move.

We should want what Carlton, Essendon and Geelong have : a few MCG home games each year and the remainder at Marvel (or alphabet park.)

I have argued this in the Ballarat thread and really it depends on how much we actually get for playing in Ballarat. Numbers I have heard do not justify playing there.

I don't think we are a big club, however we have have moved to be a middle club which we do need to strengthen.

Ballarat at 12,000 capacity for a Saturday afternoon game does not cut it anymore. We get 30,000 plus on Saturday and Sunday afternoons against interstate sides (40,000 plus this year against the Crows and Freo). However, our figures get skewed playing interstate teams on a Thursday night as they are for all Melbourne clubs.

The other advantage of playing a few more at the G is simple, if we are wanting to be a middle power and challenge every year our home final venue is the G. For players and supporters alike it would be ice if this actually was the case during the season

 

[Charlie Bucket]

If McGovern ends up being our off season inclusion in defence, the club can kiss my 2026 membership dollars goodbye.

 

[Chalky White]

We are our own worst enemy. You think new recruits want to play in Ballarat??? Yet people on here bang on about how good it is. They want big games, big exposure. Need to be an attractive club and that means a few home games at the MCG.

This is exactly correct

 

[Chalky White]

Someone willing to do a summary of this impressively detailed post??!!!

It bored me. Too long and too many excuses. Some truths, some wishful thinking.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

I have argued this in the Ballarat thread and really it depends on how much we actually get for playing in Ballarat. Numbers I have heard do not justify playing there.

I don't think we are a big club, however we have have moved to be a middle club which we do need to strengthen.

Ballarat at 12,000 capacity for a Saturday afternoon game does not cut it anymore. We get 30,000 plus on Saturday and Sunday afternoons against interstate sides (40,000 plus this year against the Crows and Freo). However, our figures get skewed playing interstate teams on a Thursday night as they are for all Melbourne clubs.

The other advantage of playing a few more at the G is simple, if we are wanting to be a middle power and challenge every year our home final venue is the G. For players and supporters alike it would be ice if this actually was the case during the season

The AFL is not going to upset the state government who have spent big bucks on redevelopment. The silly thing about it, it was part of the defunct commonwealth games where this incompetent government wasted 200m to subside Scotland hosting the games.

The dogs are the team designated to play in Ballarat, and I am fine with that if that if it is lieu of interstate. If somehow we could get MCG games and North can take over the Ballarat games to allow it to happen I would be all for it.

 

[Dogs Rule]

So Geelong have met with Marshall (probably on his new farm). Have we met with Wilkie? Or we just throwing it out there hoping he'll say yes? I hope we're busy. Nothing else for the club to do right now.

 

[Foxman98]

The AFL is not going to upset the state government who have spent big bucks on redevelopment. The silly thing about it, it was part of the defunct commonwealth games where this incompetent government wasted 200m to subside Scotland hosting the games.

The dogs are the team designated to play in Ballarat, and I am fine with that if that if it is lieu of interstate. If somehow we could get MCG games and North can take over the Ballarat games to allow it to happen I would be all for it.

We don't have to continue to be,

North are getting paid to play 2 games a year in Perth now they can have them

 

[Chalky White]

I have argued this in the Ballarat thread and really it depends on how much we actually get for playing in Ballarat. Numbers I have heard do not justify playing there.

I don't think we are a big club, however we have have moved to be a middle club which we do need to strengthen.

Ballarat at 12,000 capacity for a Saturday afternoon game does not cut it anymore. We get 30,000 plus on Saturday and Sunday afternoons against interstate sides (40,000 plus this year against the Crows and Freo). However, our figures get skewed playing interstate teams on a Thursday night as they are for all Melbourne clubs.

The other advantage of playing a few more at the G is simple, if we are wanting to be a middle power and challenge every year our home final venue is the G. For players and supporters alike it would be ice if this actually was the case during the season

Ballarat just does not do it for me in any way. The place, the weather, ground size.
I went to Darwin to watch Dogs but refuse to go to Ballarat. It’s a depressing alternative to home.
I know we need money and Ballarat offers it close to home. But I hate it.

 

[Chalky White]

So Geelong have met with Marshall (probably on his new farm). Have we met with Wilkie? Or we just throwing it out there hoping he'll say yes? I hope we're busy. Nothing else for the club to do right now.

One thing about The Dogs is we keep all business close to the chest.
A lot of this goes back to Talia situation, club now is like ASIO in secrets

 

[cleveland]

Ballarat just does not do it for me in any way. The place, the weather, ground size.
I went to Darwin to watch Dogs but refuse to go to Ballarat. It’s a depressing alternative to home.
I know we need money and Ballarat offers it close to home. But I hate it.

I love going up to Ballarat. Its a fantastic day at the footy. Each to their own buddy.

 

[VitalDread]

If Merrett ask for a trade

Dogs would easily be one of the front runners