Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[GoBlues!]

I'm not sure they do. They won't want to trade picks given Zeke the freak will attract a pick 1 or 2 bid and Patterson likely around pick 5, so with the tightening of points they'll be holding onto picks. Walter really is the only option, provided he does actually want out (which I don't believe he does) - unless they get indication King won't extend beyond next season, in which case he'd be tradeable. Aside from that, in terms of players of value, I don't think any would want to leave or the Suns would ask to.

I still think Swans have less available to offer and I can’t see them giving up a Gulden type player.

What have the Swans really got in the way of picks or quality players to trade to match a Charlie Curnow?

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[Coops93]

I still think Swans have less available to offer and I can’t see them giving up a Gulden type player.

What have the Swans really got in the way of picks or quality players to trade to match a Charlie Curnow?

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I don't know. My point was they won't offer those players because they, so far, aren't interested in Charlie, so it doesn't really matter what assets they have.

 

[Stamos]

I still think Swans have less available to offer and I can’t see them giving up a Gulden type player.

What have the Swans really got in the way of picks or quality players to trade to match a Charlie Curnow?

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They have Gulden.
That's what they have.
Whether they're willing to trade him or not will depend on if they actually want Charlie.

 

[BlueJet]

Utter rubbish.

Yep, nobody is priceless.
Anything more than 'unlikely to be traded' is emotive and incorrect. If someone approaches us with an insane offer for any of our players, the club has to consider it & not give a damn who has their poster on the wall..

 

[jj1978]

Injury prone ex first rounder who’s yet to hit his straps? Yep sounds like a Carlton pick

The good ole SOS playbook, except he's not a former SOS pick.

 

[The Bighouse]

What are the rumoured / requested player movements so far?
Edit: DFA’s excluded (Petruccelle, Blight, Fox etc)
ADL: ?
BL: Ah Chee, Starcevich
CAR: TDK, JSOS, EH, McGovern, Motlop
COL: Elliott
ESS: Laverde, Merrett, Hobbs, Tsastas
FRE: Erasmus, Reidy
GCFC: Rosas
GEE: ?
GWS: Aleer, Derksen
HFC: McKenzie, Frost, Serong
MFC: McVee, Fritsch, Oliver, Petracca
NMFC: Duursma
PTA: Butters
RFC: ?
STK: Windhager, Marshall, Steele, Wilkie
SYD: ?
WBD: Khamis, Treloar
WCE: Allen, Ryan, Chesser

 

[BlueJet]

Some serious dissing of St Kilda going on in here. I'm no apologist for them, but they won four out of their last five games, have a proven coach, some serious young talent in Tauru, Wilson, Phillipou, Hall, and Travaglia, and are about to add 4 x best 22 players to their list and possibly a couple more first round draft picks. Nice work, and their future looks pretty promising to me.

Yep. It appears some have appear to have been hitting the gas hard for the past 30 years.
"Haha they shit", when they've been more successful than us is an interesting approach..

 

[BlueJet]

If Charlie has fully checked out, Walter and 6 sounds interesting.
But…which players can we turn the 6 and TDK compo into? That’s the question for me.

I'm sure we can get something reasonable but with multiple holes & not being in a win-now window, taking them to the draft would be pretty good IMO.

 

[Own The Future]

With Blight as DFA, any word that we’re interested? Would be a good stopgap option with a bit of upside. A tad concerning he has been delisted by a team not expecting to win many games, but if he helps us then it’s not an issue.

 

[kreuze_missile]

I precict that the username @jagga2walter will be not available for much longer.

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[The Bighouse]

With Blight as DFA, any word that we’re interested? Would be a good stopgap option with a bit of upside. A tad concerning he has been delisted by a team not expecting to win many games, but if he helps us then it’s not an issue.

Would hope so.
Tigers have a lot of talls, including some higher draftees so it was a list management decision only IMO.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Here’s how I see the ideal end game if there’s any genuine GC link to Charlie:

• GC trade: Walter + Pick 6 for Charlie
• WCE trade: Picks 6 & 9 (TDK compo) to West Coast for Pick 2 + Chesser

Then the question becomes: would the Silvagni compo pick plus Brisbane’s second-rounder be enough to cover a bid for Dean?

We’d have to secure other picks to make plays for Gruewvski/Khamis etc - and possibly to make points coverage for Ison.

But the crux of it would be in: Walter, Pick 2 (Duursma/CDT), Dean, Chesser

 

[gab213]

Agreed.
Jagga, Harry Dean, Cody Walker + young talent we saw this year (HOF, Carrol, HOK) is the longer term vision.
Now we need to bring in some senior talent with the cap space and go for it.
Cats, Pies dont rebuild through top end of draft. It hasn’t worked for us. Not working for North. Why would we do it again.

Add Moir, Lord, Cowan, and Hollands to the list, and it's half our team right there. We are potentially building a very good team. I'm not sure about the short term, but the long term appears to be looking good.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

They have Gulden.
That's what they have.
Whether they're willing to trade him or not will depend on if they actually want Charlie.

Gulden has to want out too... good luck with that...

 

[Pablito]

Here’s how I see the ideal end game if there’s any genuine GC link to Charlie:

• GC trade: Walter + Pick 6 for Charlie
• WCE trade: Picks 6 & 9 (TDK compo) to West Coast for Pick 2 + Chesser

Then the question becomes: would the Silvagni compo pick plus Brisbane’s second-rounder be enough to cover a bid for Dean?

We’d have to secure other picks to make plays for Gruewvski/Khamis etc - and possibly to make points coverage for Ison.

But the crux of it would be in: Walter, Pick 2 (Duursma/CDT), Dean, Chesser

Pretty much spot on.
We may need an extra second round pick of value for Ison, Dean bids though.

Reckon we'll dip into 2027 draft picks.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Here’s how I see the ideal end game if there’s any genuine GC link to Charlie:

• GC trade: Walter + Pick 6 for Charlie
• WCE trade: Picks 6 & 9 (TDK compo) to West Coast for Pick 2 + Chesser

Then the question becomes: would the Silvagni compo pick plus Brisbane’s second-rounder be enough to cover a bid for Dean?

We’d have to secure other picks to make plays for Gruewvski/Khamis etc - and possibly to make points coverage for Ison.

But the crux of it would be in: Walter, Pick 2 (Duursma/CDT), Dean, Chesser

Maybe throw Motlop or Acres in there as well so we can get #31 back from them too...

 

[bradfisher14]

Here’s how I see the ideal end game if there’s any genuine GC link to Charlie:

• GC trade: Walter + Pick 6 for Charlie
• WCE trade: Picks 6 & 9 (TDK compo) to West Coast for Pick 2 + Chesser

Then the question becomes: would the Silvagni compo pick plus Brisbane’s second-rounder be enough to cover a bid for Dean?

We’d have to secure other picks to make plays for Gruewvski/Khamis etc - and possibly to make points coverage for Ison.

But the crux of it would be in: Walter, Pick 2 (Duursma/CDT), Dean, Chesser

I don't hate it CD, but can you please keep these in-house discussions to yourself from now on?

GW won't be happy with his HoF leaking to bigfooty before he's officially started.

 

[The Bighouse]

Here’s how I see the ideal end game if there’s any genuine GC link to Charlie:

• GC trade: Walter + Pick 6 for Charlie
• WCE trade: Picks 6 & 9 (TDK compo) to West Coast for Pick 2 + Chesser

Then the question becomes: would the Silvagni compo pick plus Brisbane’s second-rounder be enough to cover a bid for Dean?

We’d have to secure other picks to make plays for Gruewvski/Khamis etc - and possibly to make points coverage for Ison.

But the crux of it would be in: Walter, Pick 2 (Duursma/CDT), Dean, Chesser

Chesser is almost free, equate to 4th rounder. Throw in some more from WCE please.

Dean = unlikely enough + Ison shortfall (?)

McGovern & Motlop to potentially assist on some other trades.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I don't hate it CD, but can you please keep these in-house discussions to yourself from now on?

GW won't be happy with his HoF leaking to bigfooty before he's officially started.

Please don’t doxx me like that!

 

[Stamos]

Then the question becomes: would the Silvagni compo pick plus Brisbane’s second-rounder be enough to cover a bid for Dean?

We’d have to secure other picks to make plays for Gruewvski/Khamis etc - and possibly to make points coverage for Ison.

We would roughly have enough points to match a bid at #9.
That's before bringing in any other players or Ison if a bid comes before 36.

I don't think your proposed deal for #2 makes sense for us.
If we were going that way (which I don't think we will) for Curnow, probably better off allowing #6 to get burnt matching the Dean bid, and then holding a couple of still good picks.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Please don’t doxx me like that!

Let's use a pseudonym.

C Dawg?

 

[esoteric]

Here’s how I see the ideal end game if there’s any genuine GC link to Charlie:

• GC trade: Walter + Pick 6 for Charlie
• WCE trade: Picks 6 & 9 (TDK compo) to West Coast for Pick 2 + Chesser

Then the question becomes: would the Silvagni compo pick plus Brisbane’s second-rounder be enough to cover a bid for Dean?

We’d have to secure other picks to make plays for Gruewvski/Khamis etc - and possibly to make points coverage for Ison.

But the crux of it would be in: Walter, Pick 2 (Duursma/CDT), Dean, Chesser

Makes us vastly worse off for the next 2-3 years, but might be the best we can do.

 

[GoBlues!]

They have Gulden.
That's what they have.
Whether they're willing to trade him or not will depend on if they actually want Charlie.

I know they have Gulden, I said that they would not be interested in letting him go. You’re suggesting they might trade him depending on if they actually want Charlie.

It doesn’t matter how much they want Charlie, I don’t think Gulden is the player they would let go to make it happen.

Your post about which superstar has been traded mid contract is a great point. I don’t think any club has the capital to give up that Carlton will rightfully expect, and I see Charlie staying.

 

[Red_man2008]

Yes, we are...

The loss of TDK + Jack + Lij as well as some depth with Doc, Cinc and Fanta... plus chance to lose Charlie as well...

Our senior core group are in decline with age. I don't want to hear any of this "but Collingwood" nonsense... this core group isn't going to suddenly improve in their 30's... Pies players already played in flags, they are better footballers. End of.

Saad, Newman, Haynes, Hewett, Cripps, Acres, Williams, Gov all will struggle more often than not.

Pitto as main ruck... potentially Reidy as back up? come on...

Harry has never played a full season. It's not a matter of if he goes down, but when. Should we lose Charlie... our forward line will be the worst in the comp.

Constantly rotating these inept forwards: Motlop + Williams + Fogarty + White + Evans + Durdin is not anywhere near good enough. (yeah I know Evans let's see how he goes next year)

Sure, we will add a bit this off season, but we're not linked to any needle movers.. Buku, Petch, Chesser, Rosas etc. all fringe players.

Our midfield can't kick i50... they are just incapable of hitting targets... Cerra was one of the worst offenders this year and he's supposed to be one of our best kicks...

Our mids and forwards are coached by Clarke and Russell still as it stands...

Can't expect Jagga in his first year to change the midfield dynamic... the core will still be Cripps, Hewett, Cerra and Walsh. One dimensional and one paced that can't kick i50, can't run defensively, have no clue how to setup d50 stoppages, stagnant when our half backs have the ball, can't run and carry, can't hit targets, handball to the boots of team mates etc.

Our forward line already is the 18th efficient in the competition. It can’t get any worse.

 

[Stamos]

Gulden has to want out too... good luck with that...

Exactly.
Highly unlikely a deal gets done for Curnow.