Recommitted Callum Wilkie - recommitted to St Kilda after a pay increase

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[Foxman98]

You won’t be getting Cents to the Dollar for a Contacted player remember saints are holding the cards here

Shhhh don't tell them that SOS JSOS is twice the player offload Cal to us for a 2nd rounder

 

[Mofra]

Things are uglier than usual.

St Kilda have started trying to set the narrative, hence talk of Wilkie's massive bonus (actually just meeting a contract trigger), releasing an interview from some weeks earlier talking about how happy he is as if it was in response to the trade rumours.

St Kilda are in a vulnerable position and needing a lot of trust in what has been an unprecedented approach to list management. A vocally negative vice captain can undermine that more than lose a player for unders.

A lot of egos on the line at our end unfortunately.

I can assure you that as a dogs fan we're used to being disappointed at the trade table.

A lot of water to go under the bridge yet.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Head Coach said so on TV, you know more/better?

Yes.

 

[Freomaniac]

How could we not be well compensated for a contracted All Australian that is being offered over $1m a year?

If he's contracted for two years, St Kilda hold the cards. They won't be trading him for unders.

I always respected your opinion...

So how much you think is Wilkie is worth on the trade table?

 

[Mofra]

Head Coach said so on TV, you know more/better?

In fairness to C4, he probably has the best record on this board.

 

[bird_man]

I always respected your opinion...

So how much you think is Wilkie is worth on the trade table?

To put a pick value on him, I think somewhere around pick 5.

It would be a difficult one to get done. The dogs have pick ten in a weak and compromised draft, it'll end up somewhere in the teens. Hardly enticing for the Saints.

I think the club would be asking for a player as part of the deal. But I'd be surprised if it ever makes it that far.

 

[Freomaniac]

To put a pick value on him, I think somewhere around pick 5.

It would be a difficult one to get done. The dogs have pick ten in a weak and compromised draft, it'll end up somewhere in the teens. Hardly enticing for the Saints.

I think the club would be asking for a player as part of the deal. But I'd be surprised if it ever makes it that far.

Ok so Wilkie contracted is worth pick 5.

I will be honest here. I would offer picks 5 to 2 or 3 other saints players. Wilkie isn't one of them.

I would offer picks 8 or 10 for Wilkie.

Dogs, as you said have pick 10 and that will be pushed back.

I think the dogs will offer you a fair and semi realistic package.

I would say pick 10 and one of pick 28 or 2026 future 2nd as a trade.

But saints will look at it and knock it back

 

[Armoooo]

Head Coach said so on TV, you know more/better?

Imagine you had a contract that says you get paid $100k per year and if you take 5 or less sick days, you will an additional $10k reward.

You work hard, don't miss a day of work and are a top achiever.

Somebody who is objectively a lower performer at another business comes across for $150k a year.

You ask your employer if you could get a pay rise that you feel represents the value that you generate for the company. They then tell the entire business that you are fairly paid, and beside they generously gave you an extra 10k earlier in the year.

You probably wouldn't be too happy.

The salary demands could probably have been met, but SOS and Ross have let their egos make a mountain out of this molehill. We have basically tried to pull the wool over his eyes by twisting some figures in an attempt to confuse a literally accountant. Things are beyond the point of no return.

Cal doesn't feel that he owes the club any loyalty and the dogs don't feel that they need to make things easier for the saints as Cals management have indicated that they're prepared for a messy divorce. The longer it goes on, the worse things get for the saints, the contract "levarage" is more of a noose in this situation.

Dogs will be getting Wilkie for a fair salary for a trade price that will turn a lot of heads unless the AFL are willing to mediate.

The AFL do get involved in a lot of deals behind the scenes. The last thing they want is any of their list rules being tested in court.

I suspect St Kilda will demand two 1sts, Dogs will offer a 2nd. AFL will want both clubs to come away with something that is salvageable to the casual fans.

Will end up being something like a 1st, a 3rd, a 4th and a 5th for Cal and a future second. Daylight robbery to anyone with a clue, but they'll tell the nuffies that St Kilda got 4 young players for him to help the rebuild, blah, blah, blah.

If I were a Dogs fan I'd be very excited right now... you pricks

 

[Armoooo]

Ok so Wilkie contracted is worth pick 5.

I will be honest here. I would offer picks 5 to 2 or 3 other saints players. Wilkie isn't one of them.

I would offer picks 8 or 10 for Wilkie.

Dogs, as you said have pick 10 and that will be pushed back.

I think the dogs will offer you a fair and semi realistic package.

I would say pick 10 and one of pick 28 or 2026 future 2nd as a trade.

But saints will look at it and knock it back

It's hard to find objective values because when there are elite, older players, the teams with picks high enough to compensate the club losing the player, don't really benefit for getting a few good years of service while they're near the bottom.

Would Richmond or Essendon prefer pick 5 or Wilkie? 5 every day of the week.

Would a top 4 team prefer Wilkie or Pick 1 if given the choice? Likely Wilkie.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Honestly I’m willing to give you blokes some damn mids, will give over Sanders and Treloar no problem. Unfortunately I am not Sam Power

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[bird_man]

Ok so Wilkie contracted is worth pick 5.

I will be honest here. I would offer picks 5 to 2 or 3 other saints players. Wilkie isn't one of them.

I would offer picks 8 or 10 for Wilkie.

Dogs, as you said have pick 10 and that will be pushed back.

I think the dogs will offer you a fair and semi realistic package.

I would say pick 10 and one of pick 28 or 2026 future 2nd as a trade.

But saints will look at it and knock it back

Doubt that would be enough to get it done

Time will tell though.

 

[FQFjt]

Imagine you had a contract that says you get paid $100k per year and if you take 5 or less sick days, you will an additional $10k reward.

You work hard, don't miss a day of work and are a top achiever.

Somebody who is objectively a lower performer at another business comes across for $150k a year.

You ask your employer if you could get a pay rise that you feel represents the value that you generate for the company. They then tell the entire business that you are fairly paid, and beside they generously gave you an extra 10k earlier in the year.

You probably wouldn't be too happy.

The salary demands could probably have been met, but SOS and Ross have let their egos make a mountain out of this molehill. We have basically tried to pull the wool over his eyes by twisting some figures in an attempt to confuse a literally accountant. Things are beyond the point of no return.

Cal doesn't feel that he owes the club any loyalty and the dogs don't feel that they need to make things easier for the saints as Cals management have indicated that they're prepared for a messy divorce. The longer it goes on, the worse things get for the saints, the contract "levarage" is more of a noose in this situation.

Dogs will be getting Wilkie for a fair salary for a trade price that will turn a lot of heads unless the AFL are willing to mediate.

The AFL do get involved in a lot of deals behind the scenes. The last thing they want is any of their list rules being tested in court.

I suspect St Kilda will demand two 1sts, Dogs will offer a 2nd. AFL will want both clubs to come away with something that is salvageable to the casual fans.

Will end up being something like a 1st, a 3rd, a 4th and a 5th for Cal and a future second. Daylight robbery to anyone with a clue, but they'll tell the nuffies that St Kilda got 4 young players for him to help the rebuild, blah, blah, blah.

If I were a Dogs fan I'd be very excited right now... you pricks

These are some very bold and confident claims. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[Bulldogs85]

I suspect St Kilda will demand two 1sts, Dogs will offer a 2nd. AFL will want both clubs to come away with something that is salvageable to the casual fans.

I would give up 2 first rounders for Wilkie without any second thoughts

 

[bird_man]

Imagine you had a contract that says you get paid $100k per year and if you take 5 or less sick days, you will an additional $10k reward.

You work hard, don't miss a day of work and are a top achiever.

Somebody who is objectively a lower performer at another business comes across for $150k a year.

You ask your employer if you could get a pay rise that you feel represents the value that you generate for the company. They then tell the entire business that you are fairly paid, and beside they generously gave you an extra 10k earlier in the year.

You probably wouldn't be too happy.

The salary demands could probably have been met, but SOS and Ross have let their egos make a mountain out of this molehill. We have basically tried to pull the wool over his eyes by twisting some figures in an attempt to confuse a literally accountant. Things are beyond the point of no return.

Cal doesn't feel that he owes the club any loyalty and the dogs don't feel that they need to make things easier for the saints as Cals management have indicated that they're prepared for a messy divorce. The longer it goes on, the worse things get for the saints, the contract "levarage" is more of a noose in this situation.

Dogs will be getting Wilkie for a fair salary for a trade price that will turn a lot of heads unless the AFL are willing to mediate.

The AFL do get involved in a lot of deals behind the scenes. The last thing they want is any of their list rules being tested in court.

I suspect St Kilda will demand two 1sts, Dogs will offer a 2nd. AFL will want both clubs to come away with something that is salvageable to the casual fans.

Will end up being something like a 1st, a 3rd, a 4th and a 5th for Cal and a future second. Daylight robbery to anyone with a clue, but they'll tell the nuffies that St Kilda got 4 young players for him to help the rebuild, blah, blah, blah.

If I were a Dogs fan I'd be very excited right now... you pricks

Hold on, so your saying Saints get one first and have to give a second?

Are you ok?

 

[Freomaniac]

It's hard to find objective values because when there are elite, older players, the teams with picks high enough to compensate the club losing the player, don't really benefit for getting a few good years of service while they're near the bottom.

Would Richmond or Essendon prefer pick 5 or Wilkie? 5 every day of the week.

Would a top 4 team prefer Wilkie or Pick 1 if given the choice? Likely Wilkie.

Would North Melbourne want pick 5 or Wilkie?

I say Wilkie would help North Melbournes back line a fair bit. But that is my opinion

A team like Carlton would and should be chasing Wilkie too

 

[Foxman98]

Would North Melbourne want pick 5 or Wilkie?

I say Wilkie would help North Melbournes back line a fair bit. But that is my opinion

A team like Carlton would and should be chasing Wilkie too

Neither of them are attractive options for him though

Full back is our biggest hole and he is that

 

[Sentinel]

I would give up 2 first rounders for Wilkie without any second thoughts

I always find talk of 'x 1st/2nd round pick' a bit silly because there's such a big range range. There's a fair gap between pick 1+2, compared to pick 17+18.

I would think Wilkie is worth somewhere in the middle of those two.

 

[Freomaniac]

Neither of them are attractive options for him though

Full back is our biggest hole and he is that

I would think Carlton would be an attractive option .

They made finals in 2023-4.

Carlton needs to fill a hole in the back 6

 

[Foxman98]

I would think Carlton would be an attractive option .

They made finals in 2023-4.

Carlton needs to fill a hole in the back 6

Given Curnow wants out and they have no depth hence their poor finish this year I can't imagine they are,

They fell into finals last year and didn't kick a goal for almost the whole first half

 

[BrutThough]

Imagine you had a contract that says you get paid $100k per year and if you take 5 or less sick days, you will an additional $10k reward.

You work hard, don't miss a day of work and are a top achiever.

Somebody who is objectively a lower performer at another business comes across for $150k a year.

You ask your employer if you could get a pay rise that you feel represents the value that you generate for the company. They then tell the entire business that you are fairly paid, and beside they generously gave you an extra 10k earlier in the year.

You probably wouldn't be too happy.

The salary demands could probably have been met, but SOS and Ross have let their egos make a mountain out of this molehill. We have basically tried to pull the wool over his eyes by twisting some figures in an attempt to confuse a literally accountant. Things are beyond the point of no return.

Cal doesn't feel that he owes the club any loyalty and the dogs don't feel that they need to make things easier for the saints as Cals management have indicated that they're prepared for a messy divorce. The longer it goes on, the worse things get for the saints, the contract "levarage" is more of a noose in this situation.

Dogs will be getting Wilkie for a fair salary for a trade price that will turn a lot of heads unless the AFL are willing to mediate.

The AFL do get involved in a lot of deals behind the scenes. The last thing they want is any of their list rules being tested in court.

I suspect St Kilda will demand two 1sts, Dogs will offer a 2nd. AFL will want both clubs to come away with something that is salvageable to the casual fans.

Will end up being something like a 1st, a 3rd, a 4th and a 5th for Cal and a future second. Daylight robbery to anyone with a clue, but they'll tell the nuffies that St Kilda got 4 young players for him to help the rebuild, blah, blah, blah.

If I were a Dogs fan I'd be very excited right now... you pricks

This feels like a complete spiral over nothing but nonsense.

Wilke wont be traded.

 

[Falchoon]

Neither of them are attractive options for him though

Full back is our biggest hole and he is that

Not really, he operates best as 3rd or 4th defender.

 

[Armoooo]

Hold on, so your saying Saints get one first and have to give a second?

Are you ok?

Honestly no.

In a perfect world he stays, next best is we get fair value which includes 2 first round picks.

 

[Armoooo]

Neither of them are attractive options for him though

Full back is our biggest hole and he is that

Wilkie is probably the best 3rd tall the league.

He can play full back competently. But don't expect an AA level player that can stop the monster key forwards, he just doesn't have the size for it.

If that's what you're missing, you'd be better of getting a serviceable key defender and let Wilkie make him seem better than he is by helping him out an generalling the troops.

 

[bird_man]

Not really, he operates best as 3rd or 4th defender.

He won an All Australian playing as a key defender.

He has been out main man down back for the last five years and has been terrific. I can't remember him being the 3rd or 4th defender too often.

 

[buck12]

Imagine you had a contract that says you get paid $100k per year and if you take 5 or less sick days, you will an additional $10k reward.

You work hard, don't miss a day of work and are a top achiever.

Somebody who is objectively a lower performer at another business comes across for $150k a year.

You ask your employer if you could get a pay rise that you feel represents the value that you generate for the company. They then tell the entire business that you are fairly paid, and beside they generously gave you an extra 10k earlier in the year.

You probably wouldn't be too happy.

The salary demands could probably have been met, but SOS and Ross have let their egos make a mountain out of this molehill. We have basically tried to pull the wool over his eyes by twisting some figures in an attempt to confuse a literally accountant. Things are beyond the point of no return.

Cal doesn't feel that he owes the club any loyalty and the dogs don't feel that they need to make things easier for the saints as Cals management have indicated that they're prepared for a messy divorce. The longer it goes on, the worse things get for the saints, the contract "levarage" is more of a noose in this situation.

Dogs will be getting Wilkie for a fair salary for a trade price that will turn a lot of heads unless the AFL are willing to mediate.

The AFL do get involved in a lot of deals behind the scenes. The last thing they want is any of their list rules being tested in court.

I suspect St Kilda will demand two 1sts, Dogs will offer a 2nd. AFL will want both clubs to come away with something that is salvageable to the casual fans.

Will end up being something like a 1st, a 3rd, a 4th and a 5th for Cal and a future second. Daylight robbery to anyone with a clue, but they'll tell the nuffies that St Kilda got 4 young players for him to help the rebuild, blah, blah, blah.

If I were a Dogs fan I'd be very excited right now... you pricks

Genuinely senseless. Why would St Kilda trade contracted Wilkie? Is he gonna refuse to play for them? You still haven’t answered that question.