Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[RAPPA]

Why would Merrett leave one basketcase for a second basketcase??

To get to the other side

 

[RPCB]

How much salary cap has silvagni and TDK released?

Maybe $650k for TDK and $400-500k for Silvagni? Over $1 million for sure.

 

[Stamos]

How much salary cap has silvagni and TDK released?

Somewhere between $1.65 - 1.85 M

 

[carlton_99]

How much salary cap has silvagni and TDK released?

EDIT

now add curnow of he goes...

= $> 2m in salary ap released

no add picks ( worst case 9 +19 for the fiorst two) + who knwo what for curnow.

= 2- 4 first rounders you'd think...

so with >$2M in salary cap and 4 first rounders who can be gotten?

forget teh steak knofe depth players liek CHesser - ...who do we want?

Docherty as well would release some salary plus potentially a couple others like McGovern not hitting his contract trigger and Elijah being moved on.

The annoying thing however with the Curnow point is if a trade was to happen it's probably going to drag out through the entire trade period. And so if a deal gets done real late it doesn't give us a heap of time to do much with the picks we get for him.

 

[RPCB]

Somewhere between $1.65 - 1.85 M

So I was way way way under. That’s good to know.

 

[Crippa#9]

Docherty as well would release some salary plus potentially a couple others like McGovern not hitting his contract trigger and Elijah being moved on.

The annoying thing however with the Curnow point is if a trade was to happen it's probably going to drag out through the entire trade period. And so if a deal gets done real late it doesn't give us a heap of time to do much with the picks we get for him.

well in that scenario that's extremely poor management from Wright & Austin. It won't get to that.

 

[JJBagger]

Well it will be nothing as the Swans won't deal Gulden under any circumstances as his nearly their best player.

If they want Charlie badly enough, they will

 

[JustaBattler]

Somewhere between $1.65 - 1.85 M

Lets say $1.5m for those two and another ~ $1m for Charlie = $2.5m - now add the total picks possible....

a new portfolio manager ( that is Wright) loves a clean book and lots of cash and options ( picks) ...

I heard that Voss wanted Docherty to stay and Wright was teh one that made the call - yeah naah. is that another ~ 500k?

what is the total cashola Carlton has amassed in quick time ~ $2 to $3m....
and 2 first rounders ( minimum)

for the loss of a not top 5 ruck and a not top 10 defender...and an old bloke not good enough to hold down a defenders position in Docherty.

and what is Motlop worth if he goes ( I hope he does) ?

Wright has portfolio managed Carlton into a a big bank of salary cap and pick chest.

Meanwhile people are pulling their hair out and gnashing their toofs over these potential losses - the only one that I'm half concerned about is curnow ..

I'll take this hand being dealt to Carlton - with a bloke with half a brain in Wright looking at Austin and Voss and keeping them in check.

 

[ferrisb]

So I was way way way under. That’s good to know.

I think you and Stamos were both correct, just approaching it differently.

You were looking at it that TDK was probably on $650K and JSOS $450-500K

Stamos was looking at it that we had probably allocated $1-1.1M for TDK and JSOS $600-700K from next year.

I lean more Stamos' thinking; we now have maybe $1.7M more to spend than we would have if both had stayed.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

If they want Charlie badly enough, they will

If u really want it.
Then you’ve gotta pay.
Simple.
Will someone blink and pay what’s required? Depends how badly they want him.

 

[JustaBattler]

Docherty as well would release some salary plus potentially a couple others like McGovern not hitting his contract trigger and Elijah being moved on.

The annoying thing however with the Curnow point is if a trade was to happen it's probably going to drag out through the entire trade period. And so if a deal gets done real late it doesn't give us a heap of time to do much with the picks we get for him.

Youve just increased the available salary cap spend bank to over $4m.

 

[DangerousD]

That's why they never bottom out. Everyone wants to go there. Free agency mainly hurts sides like us. Even though Charlie isn't a free agent.
How the hell could geelong get Charlie?

Free agency is the one thing the AFL needs to look at.
Not father sons.
Top sides are always getting free agents for nothing. No draught picks just a list space needed. It's infuriating.

Really? What clubs do you think keep getting free agents for nothing and screwing everyone else? As you pointed out Charlie isn’t a free agent and the two free agents we have just lost, have left for a club lower than us. We have acquired two free agents from other clubs, both players going from a higher ranked team to come to us.

Seems you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[RPCB]

I think you and Stamos were both correct, just approaching it differently.

You were looking at it that TDK was probably on $650K and JSOS $450-500K

Stamos was looking at it that we had probably allocated $1-1.1M for TDK and JSOS $600-700K from next year.

I lean more Stamos' thinking; we now have maybe $1.7M more to spend than we would have if both had stayed.

I am leaning more towards Stamos thinking as well. Warchest unlocked.

 

[ferrisb]

Youve just increased the available salary cap spend bank to over $4m.

JustaBattler's eyes are making cash register images and noises every time another (unmongrel-y) Carlton player is added to the list of outs....

 

[GoBlues!]

Maybe $650k for TDK and $400-500k for Silvagni? Over $1 million for sure.

That’s in 2025 dollars RPCB.

After inflation, tariffs and StKildescalation it would have been more like $1.8m in 2026 dollars…

Somewhere between $1.65 - 1.85 M

Correct weight.

 

[DangerousD]

And yet they paid handsomely for J. Cameron....

But they didnt at all.

 

[AB_Blue]

Butters/Bailey for 2027

 

[Coops93]

Will we even need a ruckman if it’s last touch out of bounds.

It's not last touch out of bounds, that's a misnomer.

It's last clean possession out of bunds - i.e. a handball or kick that goes out of bounds without anyone touching it. If you're tackled over, fumbled over or spoiled over in a mark contest it's still a throw in. Further, it only applies between the 50s, so on the wing. Inside 50s will stay as is now.

That's why the AFL has said it will only add ~4 free kicks a game. It's not as drastic a change as has been made out.

 

[JustaBattler]

JustaBattler's eyes are making cash register images and noises every time another (unmongrel-y) Carlton player is added to the list of outs....

I dont think most people on here have realised what teh club is amassing in terms of negotiating and buying power in quick time - whilst at eh same time cleaning out the place of the entitled underperformers. As has been said I forgot to add Williams next year and McGovern ( possibly ) thsi year to the total.

Carlton far from being broke and broken has accrued more spending power and more picks than was thought possible - a month ago.

I reckon Wright would be absolutely LOVING curnows management atm and media hyperbole - meanwhile he is busy ridding the place of losers. Maybe he has ha d a few chats with Russell about teh players as well - do you think that they might knwo each other wll enough to have had a coffee date?

 

[Carl Tone]

We need to be honest here...

A significant part of our horrendous season can be laid at the feet of TDK imo (not helped by significant fall offs from every one of our other best players - Harry, Charlie, Crippa, Walshy and even Weiters....).

Of course, the Club picked Tom ahead of Pitto because he is a much better all round ruckman, BUT he put in at about 20% -50% most of the season, especially after the first few games (either because he knew he was going or he was thinking about going - doesn't matter which).

A firing TDK is one of the league's best....and has a significant impact on the outcome of a game... he was pretty much one of the worst all year.

Throw in the disaster that was Elijah Hollands... and the internal turmoil at the Club (was Jordan Russell involved in some capacity?)

That all cost us dearly.

You can add Newman to that list.

 

[Matty411]

AFL clubs can trade draft picks two years in advance starting from 2025. However, clubs must adhere to certain restrictions, such as using two first-round selections every four years and needing board approval to trade any first-round selections.

Interesting to see how this will come into play. Geelong, anybody?

 

[JustaBattler]

Docherty as well would release some salary plus potentially a couple others like McGovern not hitting his contract trigger and Elijah being moved on.

The annoying thing however with the Curnow point is if a trade was to happen it's probably going to drag out through the entire trade period. And so if a deal gets done real late it doesn't give us a heap of time to do much with the picks we get for him.

Carlton controls the timing of any curnow deal - totally.

Everyone and anyone interested in any curnow deal can help Carlton get what it wants in every part of Carlton's agenda....

this is a portfolio play not a single stock play.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

Definitely not a shocking kick. I personally hope we go after him but he just won't be a major part of any Curnow trade if it was to happen

From memory he tends to lead the league in turnovers quite often.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

If they want Charlie badly enough, they will

I'd love Gulden for Charlie, but Sydney look WAY better with Gulden than they do without - and they would have to be cognisant that Warner is a flight risk in a couple of years.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Pendlebury and Sidebottom have elite levels of footy IQ - there is no substitute and it cant be coached, taught or cajolled. 15 years Collingwood have been feeding off these two - 15 years. They are teh plan ABC &D on field coaches for the filth.

Absolutely. Same way Sam Mitchell was Simon Black was... These guys are freaks and go under appreciated in media awards etc. But theyre slower buggers who made their team overall way faster. I was hoping Walsh might've been that but he's a doer and not so much a thinker/reader. So are Cripps and George. They're doers not thinkers. Thought Cerra had that to him but maybe not.

Maybe Jagga has some of it?