List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[phantom13]

It's been a stuff up for other clubs trying it so far. It might work but it hasn't for a lot of very well run clubs.Unless Marshall can play as a key position player with occasional around the ground rucking it is less likely to work. To me he's a giant utility when not in the ruck. I guess Jason Blake would be best case scenario.

It makes a lot more sense to me to play someone like keeler or Camma as a genuine second/third tall forward who can chop out for 5 in the ruck each quarter than to play Roma doing that and tbh that’s the model most clubs use successfully.

If the clubs thinks Roma can do that, then play on, personally I don’t see it

 

[gringo2011]

It sounds like Wilkie hasn’t been keen but they are willing to throw significantly more money at him to convince him otherwise and as you said they will give him a small window to change his mind before moving on.

They must still be talking to his manager though or it wouldn't be a story.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

It sounds like Wilkie hasn’t been keen but they are willing to throw significantly more money at him to convince him otherwise and as you said they will give him a small window to change his mind before moving on.

If they offered just 80% of the Wilkie money to Cordy then I reckon they’d probably get their man.

 

[phantom13]

This Wilkie stuff smacks of slow news week to me.

No way we let him go, I’m sure the dogs are interested, I’m sure we’d be interested in every top 20 player in the comp, that’s usually what happens with good players.

No way we let him go, worst case we wind up giving him a pay bump

 

[Jayman15]

Ralphy article H/S 9/9 - obsession talking about Saints incoming players (list cloggers or A-Graders)

https://archive.vn/vzLtY

 

[PJays]

Didn't Carlisle also miss the finals because his wife was having a baby? And his replacement, Brown, retired mid year to get out of the hub?

We actually got close to Richmond in the second final, and they went on to win the flag.

That's right, I forgot about Carlisle

Ryder was injured in the last minute, Carlisle also missed. Tom Lynch was good. Kicked 2 goals (2.5)

A look at the stats says Marshall actually beat Nankervis in hit-outs 20-15.

But Ryder was still missed, he was so great that year and it meant we had extra forward option. Him and Marshall combined for 23 goals, which is a decent amount given shortened games and Ryder missed a few with injury.

 

[Minga]

We've have. Wilkie has also done 3 interviews since the first rumour started saying he isnt leaving. Ross's Heard Sun puppet reiterated that yesterday in his article.

What more do we have to do?

GONE

 

[jimmytigs]

Tom seems to be the only person pushing this when all Tex will do is play for the VFL team.

he is fantasizing about the prospect that we might go back on our word to naz

 

[gringo2011]

While I don't know Wilks personally, i doubt this happens. You're right that when players want out that the clubs don't force it, the overall incidence of players getting to that level in the first place is pretty low. Just get highlighted by the media way more when it happens. Also, imagine the amount of players that express this desire internally and it gets fixed by a conversation or 2 with the club coach and leadership without being publicized.

I think we're way too pedantic in this thread (and fans in general) about players that are reported as unhappy. E.g. (we're gonna anger windy, we're gonna anger nas, we're gonna anger Rowan). They're not children, and its only the media who egg this sort of belief on.

You can be unhappy or slightly irritated and not jump straight to wanting away from the club.

If Zach Merrett hasn't cracked it in the last 2-3 years (this year might finally be different), then Wilkie will be absolutely fine. Additionally, if you're a contracted player that is important to the club, then even less likely you'll get to go, otherwise Christian Petracca would 100% have been a goner last year.

Lots of players are unhappy but don't play it out through the media. One thing I have learnt about players is that they rarely burn bridges or say what their true intentions are. I'll be very pleased when the trade period is over and our contracts have all been finalised. Seems like so many sliding door moments from our very active off season.

A few glitches could undo a lot of the hard work already done. We really need to add to the pool while losing none of the existing gains.

Petracca probably goes this year and for less than last year but Melbourne was in turmoil and couldn't afford to lose him. Same as Jack Steven wanting out.

If Melbourne had two good picks last draft they probably get a Murphy Reid or Trainor or something and maybe Shanahan and are way out in front. Two good picks this year are likely 2 average players in a shit draft.

 

[Macgruber]

sorry, why will there be less ruck contests?

they are introducing the last touch rule next season.

Which will Limit boundary throw ins.

 

[phantom13]

That's right, I forgot about Carlisle

Ryder was injured in the last minute, Carlisle also missed. Tom Lynch was good. Kicked 2 goals (2.5)

A look at the stats says Marshall actually beat Nankervis in hit-outs 20-15.

But Ryder was still missed, he was so great that year and it meant we had extra forward option. Him and Marshall combined for 23 goals, which is a decent amount given shortened games and Ryder missed a few with injury.

To be fair Nanks status is massively elevated by the flags, he is a bang average footballer and a very ordinary ruck. He was big and combative but Richmond’s whole gameplan was centered around surge footy not clearance and tap work.

The fact Nank won three flags is some of the clearest evidence that pure ruckmen are close to the least important players in footy.

 

[stavro#4]

They must still be talking to his manager though or it wouldn't be a story.

Just appears to be them shooting their shot.

They wouldn’t be needing a godfather offer if he was keen. Yes he may be disgruntled and they are trying to tug on that element.

But no different to us and Merrett last year I suppose.

Either way, they can agree whatever they want. That’s the easy part.

It’s the sos Gubby Ross part where they ask for the world and they won’t part with it

 

[gringo2011]

This Wilkie stuff smacks of slow news week to me.

No way we let him go, I’m sure the dogs are interested, I’m sure we’d be interested in every top 20 player in the comp, that’s usually what happens with good players.

No way we let him go, worst case we wind up giving him a pay bump

Yeah, likely scenario is we re contract him for an extra couple of years but lose another big chunk of our cap space. Dogs payback kicks us in the balls and makes JSOS a very expensive addition.

 

[thekizzler]

Gabelich is an ex employee and well connected at the club still. I listen to him more than a lot of others. Not liking "still in play". The rumours are that Wilkie wasn't happy with the wages being offered and that has never gone away. He's probably on the same or less than Aleer is getting next year and probably ends up offered up to $1 million more a season at the Dogs. Best case is that we renegotiate with him and extend him out on more.

With all due respect, this is just you worrying about something that is extremely unlikely to happen - in regards to Wilkie leaving.

Yeah, him and his agent could be posturing for more money, again nothing to be worried about.

How much do you think Wilkie is on currently and how much are the Dogs offering?

That amount bolded seems like an large exaggeration.

When you say best case scenario, you actually mean the most likely scenario that will happen in the next 24 months lol.

 

[gringo2011]

To be fair Nanks status is massively elevated by the flags, he is a bang average footballer and a very ordinary ruck. He was big and combative but Richmond’s whole gameplan was centered around surge footy not clearance and tap work.

The fact Nank won three flags is some of the clearest evidence that pure ruckmen are close to the least important players in footy.

He's a great warrior and plays like he wants to win but he's very similar to Marshall. Not the best ruck but one of the first picked.

 

[phantom13]

Lots of players are unhappy but don't play it out through the media. One thing I have learnt about players is that they rarely burn bridges or say what their true intentions are. I'll be very pleased when the trade period is over and our contracts have all been finalised. Seems like so many sliding door moments from our very active off season.

A few glitches could undo a lot of the hard work already done. We really need to add to the pool while losing none of the existing gains.

Petracca probably goes this year and for less than last year but Melbourne was in turmoil and couldn't afford to lose him. Same as Jack Steven wanting out.

If Melbourne had two good picks last draft they probably get a Murphy Reid or Trainor or something and maybe Shanahan and are way out in front. Two good picks this year are likely 2 average players in a shit draft.

Melbourne is in a very different situation to us now though. They probably should commit to a rebuild, we’re win now.

I actually can’t think of anything feasible the dogs could offer that we’d accept that’s who critical Wilkie is.

 

[saintderby]

Interesting.

What's the numbers difference?

Also, what impact did it have on AFLW?

Increased the scoring by 250%

 

[gringo2011]

With all due respect, this is just you worrying about something that is extremely unlikely to happen - in regards to Wilkie leaving.

Yeah, him and his agent could be posturing for more money, again nothing to be worried about.

How much do you think Wilkie is on currently and how much are the Dogs offering?

That amount bolded seems like an large exaggeration.

When you say best case scenario, you actually mean the most likely scenario that will happen in the next 24 months lol.

Sounds like Wilkie was signed on about $750k from what I've heard. Dogs willing to go up on their offer of $1.5 million. If we have to pay close to that with a 20% stay at home tax taken out it's big hit we hadn't counted on.

 

[stavro#4]

Ralphy article H/S 9/9 - obsession talking about Saints incoming players (list cloggers or A-Graders)

https://archive.vn/vzLtY

TDK was the second-best ruckman in the competition and 17th best player in the AFL in the first eight rounds.

 

[gringo2011]

Melbourne is in a very different situation to us now though. They probably should commit to a rebuild, we’re win now.

I actually can’t think of anything feasible the dogs could offer that we’d accept that’s who critical Wilkie is.

100%. I'd never advocate for letting Wilkie go. He's absolutely elite and irreplaceable. Just wish we'd knock it on the head and get something mutually beneficial signed.

 

[phantom13]

100%. I'd never advocate for letting Wilkie go. He's absolutely elite and irreplaceable. Just wish we'd knock it on the head and get something mutually beneficial signed.

I get what you’re saying but there’s nothing to sign. He’s contracted anyway.

 

[Desperate saint]

The last bit is really the key and I’ve said it a bunch of times.

If he wants to stay then by all means retain him, I’ve also said I’d back the club to make the right call.

I can assure I don’t under rate Roma, I ****ing love him and I’d prefer we didn’t get TDK I just don’t think any team can play two genuine first choice ruckmen in modern footy.

we are very week in the "long down the line play"playing both would turn this completely around

 

[PJays]

The fact Nank won three flags is some of the clearest evidence that pure ruckmen are close to the least important players in footy.

Yep
As is Rhys Stanley.

Meanwhile this year the best 3 ruckman didn't play finals. Gawn, Xerri and Grundy.

Collingwood has a really good ruck. They got him for a meat pie and a couple of Hoyts tickets. That's the smart way to do it.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Even before a pay rise I doubt Aleer is/will be on more than Wilkie.

I also reckon there’s more than enough in the cap to give him a bump (not that he needs it the manic bastard) along with the Captaincy.

 

[thekizzler]

Sounds like Wilkie was signed on about $750k from what I've heard. Dogs willing to go up on their offer of $1.5 million. If we have to pay close to that with a 20% stay at home tax taken out it's big hit we hadn't counted on.

$1.5 million?

Where has that been reported?