Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[Falchoon]

Look, I don't know where Geelong will be next year, but StKilda finished this year with 9 wins and 14 losses. It's not impossible, but it is very unlikely, that they will manage to get that up to the 16/17 win mark within just two seasons.


... the idea that Max Holmes is a worse outcome than keeping Rowan Marshall as second ruckman* absolutely beggars belief.

*CHF

 

[iameviljez]

*CHF

Same thing

 

[FootyLad0]

Hey Einstein slow down for the rest of us will you.

He saw you guys are getting Daddy Drapes for diddly squat (and a smart move at that) and decided he wanted in on Max Holmes for diddly squat

One actually makes sense and the other is something a cooker would come up with.

I’ll let you be the judge though

 

[GoPies1]

What an intriguing read this is
Geelong supporters desperately want Roma, and for nothing because they are doing St Kilda a favour taking him
But their counter to a decent argument from St Kilda supporters is that he isn’t that good and ruckman are overrated.
Brilliant

 

[FootyLad0]

What an intriguing read this is
Geelong supporters desperately want Roma, and for nothing because they are doing St Kilda a favour taking him
But their counter to a decent argument from St Kilda supporters is that he isn’t that good and ruckman are overrated.
Brilliant

No? Roma has expressed interest in Geelong multiple years now, Geelong don’t overpay or overspend, especially on ruckman (surely you’d realise this by now looking at who has played under ruck position at Geelong under Scott)
That means they miss out on a lot of talent. It is the talents choice whether they want to sacrifice for team success or not.
We literally saw an example with this with Jacob Hopper. He basically had one foot in the door with the Cats until Tigers came in an blew their offer out of the water (Cats offered him a good but modest deal, Tigers added years and big dollars to it)
Hopper took the money.

Is he in the wrong? Nope! That’s his choice, just like it’s any players choice.
By sticking to this mandates and payment structure it’s meant that Geelong can continually go after players year after year rather than being stuck with long term bloated deals that they can’t get out from.

But back with Marshall, no one is saying Marshall isn’t worth a first? Literally everyone in here is in agreement? It’s one of the easiest discussion pages for a talent so far because MOST people have come in here not debating in bad faith.
There’s like 10 pages worth of people just agreeing with each other.

What muddies the waters is when oppo fans who clearly have an agenda that “definitely has nothing to do with their hatred of Geelong” weighing in purely because they want to see Geelong suffer and lose out.
It’s embarrassing but it is what it is, at least the Freo dude when he did it was upfront and honest why he wanted it to happen….

Projecting and then when getting called out saying stuff like this…

Let us know about a good ruckman after meek or obrien monster your team in the pf.
And the cats don’t overpay anyone apparently- isn’t that their mantra

Just admit you hate Geelong and we can move along dude. You aren’t fooling anyone lol

 

[Bostonian]

No? Roma has expressed interest in Geelong multiple years now, Geelong don’t overpay or overspend, especially on ruckman (surely you’d realise this by now looking at who has played under ruck position at Geelong under Scott

Well that's nonsense. You gave up a bit for Ottens to come to Geelong. 2 first rounders.

Just because no other decent ruckman has been made available for you to trade for doesn't mean you wouldn't pay up for one if they did.

 

[EconomicDecline]

It’s been asked of some Geelong supporters in here multiple times, but yet to see any actual names given.

Who are the rucks on the trade market that aren’t Marshall?

 

[GoPies1]

No? Roma has expressed interest in Geelong multiple years now, Geelong don’t overpay or overspend, especially on ruckman (surely you’d realise this by now looking at who has played under ruck position at Geelong under Scott)
That means they miss out on a lot of talent. It is the talents choice whether they want to sacrifice for team success or not.
We literally saw an example with this with Jacob Hopper. He basically had one foot in the door with the Cats until Tigers came in an blew their offer out of the water (Cats offered him a good but modest deal, Tigers added years and big dollars to it)
Hopper took the money.

Is he in the wrong? Nope! That’s his choice, just like it’s any players choice.
By sticking to this mandates and payment structure it’s meant that Geelong can continually go after players year after year rather than being stuck with long term bloated deals that they can’t get out from.

But back with Marshall, no one is saying Marshall isn’t worth a first? Literally everyone in here is in agreement? It’s one of the easiest discussion pages for a talent so far because MOST people have come in here not debating in bad faith.
There’s like 10 pages worth of people just agreeing with each other.

What muddies the waters is when oppo fans who clearly have an agenda that “definitely has nothing to do with their hatred of Geelong” weighing in purely because they want to see Geelong suffer and lose out.
It’s embarrassing but it is what it is, at least the Freo dude when he did it was upfront and honest why he wanted it to happen….

Projecting and then when getting called out saying stuff like this…



Just admit you hate Geelong and we can move along dude. You aren’t fooling anyone lol

I believe ruckmen are vital
Geelong got away with it Friday, but it’s a different story against obrien or meek because sdk will have to come out from full back, weakens your team structure against two big dangerous forward lines
Then chol or tilthorpe will monster blicavs
That’s their importance to structure

If you have roma and tdk thats a massive advantage over other teams
Why should st kilda give him up?

And what is wrong with seeing Geelong suffer and miss out at the expense of st kilda building a bloody good side

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Well that's nonsense. You gave up a bit for Ottens to come to Geelong. 2 first rounders.

Just because no other decent ruckman has been made available for you to trade for doesn't mean you wouldn't pay up for one if they did.

Yeah Ottens was under different management though

 

[Bostonian]

Yeah Ottens was under different management though

And he was the only high level ruck that became available to you.

No other top line rucks have been an actual possibility since then.

If Jackson said he wants to play at Geelong you'd pay a lot to get him.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

And he was the only high level ruck that became available to you.

No other top line rucks have been an actual possibility since then.

If Jackson said he wants to play at Geelong you'd pay a lot to get him.

Maybe, but we did apparently chase Grundy twice, and Goldstein. We just didn't offer enough for Grundy and Goldstein had family reasons not to move. For whatever rumours are worth anyway.

Who knows. All I know is Marshall is pretty good, and Geelong will make a respectable offer.

 

[Foxman98]

It’s been asked of some Geelong supporters in here multiple times, but yet to see any actual names given.

Who are the rucks on the trade market that aren’t Marshall?

I'm not a Geelong fan however:

Reeves
Madden
Either Visentini
Sean Darcy
Moyal

Most are solid enough 2s players who can play the role ala Jordon Sweet at Port

 

[joydivision22]

Do any of you guys get an offer, job or contract that you absolutely don’t want to do but have to put in a quote? $$$

 

[GoPies1]

Do any of you guys get an offer, job or contract that you absolutely don’t want to do but have to put in a quote? $$$

Brilliant analogy
He is going to be very important for the saints
Example- everyone hangs it on Cox, but his height nullified Oscar in 2023, stoppages were not onesided as Brisbane had their way for so long.
Helping us to win the gf

Roma and tdk are going to be a nightmare for most teams to match

 

[Count_Zero]

I didn't quite understand how deluded Geelong fans are until I read the last couplenof pages. They have drank the koolaid and are making another pitcher.

 

[txbyhull]

I have zero interest in reading this entire thread, but I would've assumed that its Geelong's first and its done. Are people seriously debating that?

 

[Wojcinski]

I have zero interest in reading this entire thread, but I would've assumed that its Geelong's first and its done. Are people seriously debating that?

Yes, Saints fans think Max Holmes and 3 first rounders is the going rate for Marshall

 

[MisterMarcus]

I have zero interest in reading this entire thread, but I would've assumed that its Geelong's first and its done. Are people seriously debating that?

Nah apparently it's Max Holmes or 3 first rounders

 

[stavro#4]

I have zero interest in reading this entire thread, but I would've assumed that its Geelong's first and its done. Are people seriously debating that?

Why would we trade Marshall on a salary cap friendly deal, if his return doesn’t get Flanders or Cmac done?

How does that benefit us?

 

[FootyLad0]

I have zero interest in reading this entire thread, but I would've assumed that its Geelong's first and its done. Are people seriously debating that?

Max Holmes or 3 First Rounders otherwise no deal!

 

[GoPies1]

I have zero interest in reading this entire thread, but I would've assumed that its Geelong's first and its done. Are people seriously debating that?

No
It’s Geelongs entitlement to have him
St Kilda aren’t allowed to keep him

 

[FootyLad0]

I didn't quite understand how deluded Geelong fans are until I read the last couplenof pages. They have drank the koolaid and are making another pitcher.

You could also get kool aid drunk on Max Holmes or 3 first rounders?

Don't worry, he's like Jezza and prime Tim Kelly.

I imagine SOS wasn't fooling anyone when he posted that

 

[Wojcinski]

Firstly and most importantly, Stk are now in lockstep with NWM’s deal to compete for a flag.

To win a flag in the next two seasons, we will need to defeat Geelong.

It will be much more difficult to defeat Geelong if we do you an enormous favour and fill your seemingly last remaining list gap.

Second, Marshall is contracted and it’s now common knowledge he has been heavily front ended and is on let’s say 1/2 rate ~ 450-500k but could easily be less. This is therefore an integral part of our strategy to retain him on lower salary.

So in my mind there’s no world where we release him from his contract.

Having said that, what would make us move? Well, Geelong would have to be significantly worse off in 2-3 years or we would need to be significantly better right away.

Does Geelong’s P17 this year meet that? No.

What about P17 + F1 (say P17)? Well, no but obviously closer. Still not making you bad enough off when we’ll need to beat you and us better off right away.

Okay, here are the options in order of our preference.

1. No trade.

2. Max Holmes

3. 2025 P17 + 2026 F1 (17) + 2027 F1 (17)

Holmes adequately makes you worse and us better.

Three late firsts probably makes you worse off enough when we’re competing for a shot at it. Same as what you paid for an uncontracted Cameron and what you demanded for a contracted Tim Kelly so laugh away if you want but we set the terms.

Anything else is an absolute waste of breath.

thoroughly enjoying watching you cosplay as the St Kilda list manager and can't wait for what you come up with next

 

[sexyhunk]

Firstly and most importantly, Stk are now in lockstep with NWM’s deal to compete for a flag.

To win a flag in the next two seasons, we will need to defeat Geelong.

It will be much more difficult to defeat Geelong if we do you an enormous favour and fill your seemingly last remaining list gap.

Second, Marshall is contracted and it’s now common knowledge he has been heavily front ended and is on let’s say 1/2 rate ~ 450-500k but could easily be less. This is therefore an integral part of our strategy to retain him on lower salary.

So in my mind there’s no world where we release him from his contract.

Having said that, what would make us move? Well, Geelong would have to be significantly worse off in 2-3 years or we would need to be significantly better right away.

Does Geelong’s P17 this year meet that? No.

What about P17 + F1 (say P17)? Well, no but obviously closer. Still not making you bad enough off when we’ll need to beat you and us better off right away.

Okay, here are the options in order of our preference.

1. No trade.

2. Max Holmes

3. 2025 P17 + 2026 F1 (17) + 2027 F1 (17)

Holmes adequately makes you worse and us better.

Three late firsts probably makes you worse off enough when we’re competing for a shot at it. Same as what you paid for an uncontracted Cameron and what you demanded for a contracted Tim Kelly so laugh away if you want but we set the terms.

Anything else is an absolute waste of breath.

shit that was a good laugh, I know you are a nobody but that explains why they are throwing so much money at free agents cause they won't have much success trading with clubs.

 

[sinkintins]

What an intriguing read this is
Geelong supporters desperately want Roma, and for nothing because they are doing St Kilda a favour taking him
But their counter to a decent argument from St Kilda supporters is that he isn’t that good and ruckman are overrated.
Brilliant

So the Bailey Smith situation again? Haha