List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[phantom13]

Martin is going to miss most if not all of next year.

Draper is going.

Ridley and Merrett want out

Impossible to accept anything but a full scorched earth rebuild.

I mean thats the way its headed it seems the smartest and only real option but teams do weird shit when they think their supporter base will turn.

Carlton might even top up again at this rate

 

[Mat Mann]

Surely Hawks SC would start to come under pressure. Opportunities there maybe. CMAC would be one

Apparently, they have plenty of room, lots of kids just a few years older than ours, just remember they came from nowhere into the 8 last year

 

[StCicatriz]

CMac for Pick 7 you would do IMO but i think we'd need later picks coming back. probably picks the dons and hawks will never use in a shallow draft

that would help with Fincher plus deals with Ryan/Aleer

 

[nikkig98]

Regarding Hawthorn, I've gone through their trade board and have seen this. The poster in question seems to be very respected as an ITK there and by all accounts, is involved with the club in some capacity.

IF this is true, than Cam Mckenzie surely must be an option that they're willing to part with in order to even go more all in than us. The likely candidates seem to be Trac and Zac

Edit* Apologies to the mods, i didnt know about not having names in the post.

 

[Hubnester]

Just did a quick tidy up, apologies if any innocent posts got caught in the crossfire.

Please note that bold red text reminding us to stay on topic and be respectful - which should apply not only to each other, but to our players and club people too. Cheers

 

[phantom13]

Max is also a pretty big problem in this regard - I'm not @ you, I agree with you.

When he was last playing, at times, opposition players were just taking on Max because they knew he wouldn't chase.

But I definitely do see pressure as an important part of Sharman's role - of all the forwards.

You can't sustain too many players who are poor in this part of the game - otherwise there is no way you are going to succeed as a team.

Yeh i suppose if were gonna play three tall forwards (King, Sharman, Camma/Keeler/Tauru) then i guess Camma/Keeler/Tauru will need to be bringing that pressure and Sharmans current efforts are probably enough.

I agree with you but its a bit of a sliding scale, King wont do anything, Sharman needs to do some, the other likely needs to be manic.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

i wonder if Lyon would stay on in that capacity when he's done with coaching... but i think you're right if Lyon leaves we need to replace not just a senior coach but also get a new head of football

Lyon to head of football and Enright will be the next coach.

 

[StCicatriz]

Regarding Hawthorn, I've gone through their trade board and have seen this. The poster in question seems to be very respected as an ITK there and by all accounts, is involved with the club in some capacity.

IF this is true, than Cam Mckenzie surely must be an option that they're willing to part with in order to even go more all in than us. The likely candidates seem to be Trac and Zac

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sounds like it, hence the leak we are into him

i think its a win win for everyone involved tbh as much as it pains me to see hawthorn get stronger

 

[stfan]

While some fans seem to believe it's bad delivery and structure as to why he isn't consistent, for me, I see it as his work-rate, application, intent to defend when the ball turns over - his general engagement in the game.

I actually see Sharman as quite good in these aspects. Most games you will see him doing a closing spoil too.

He is also our forward who leads the most. Is often ignored.

Our forward line looking much better when we had Nas and Hall passing into it.

 

[stfan]

Regarding Hawthorn, I've gone through their trade board and have seen this. The poster in question seems to be very respected as an ITK there and by all accounts, is involved with the club in some capacity.

IF this is true, than Cam Mckenzie surely must be an option that they're willing to part with in order to even go more all in than us. The likely candidates seem to be Trac and Zac

Seen what?

 

[Hubnester]

McKenzie doesn't excite me all that much, and I feel like I only know his name due to the initial NGA connection. However he does seem to be highly rated with lots of potential upside, plus he's in the right age bracket - so if we can shake him loose we'd be silly not to try.

 

[gringo2011]

Tell you what, we reckon were raiding the market, weve missed the Roos big move.

Charlie Spargo heading to Arden Street.

Sack the whole footy department for missing this chance.

He's actually a decent player and gives them another senior body. Solid recruit for them.

 

[nikkig98]

Seen what?

sorry mate, the picture was removed and I had to re-add with an edit it as it broke the rules. Have put it back in now

 

[Joffaboy]

All legit

Except for the up to 850k rubbish. Base is the same as the Bulldog offer but 5 years not four
If all our recruits hit their KPI's it may squeeze the cap, but it means we have good deep into the finals and had massive break out years for players.

 

[Yawkey way]

I cannot stress enough, that this information is coming from the bedroom of a key participant in these events.

I've been on here for 15 years, you need to ask yourself if I'd throw that reputation away if I didn't have concrete info.

Someone in that bedroom was say cal cal cal ? Very very odd.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

I find it really hard to judge the value of both CMac and Ryan, and to a lesser extent Merrett.

Cmac was a high pick who has demonstrated his skills at the AFL level, but isnt being picked in a team that has a pretty ordinary midfield.

Ryan is a high impact, incredibly skilled player who has performed on the biggest stage, but is also 29 and despite having a lot of hype, hasn't kicked as many goals as you would have thought he had.

And Merrett is a bonafide star of the competition, but he's 30, and paying 2 top 10 picks for a 30 year old is inherently risky.

Couple this with the fact that the draft class this year is a bit meh, and there will be about 100 F/S and Academy players, and it's really difficult to work out what a players value is.

The reason that Ryan doesnt get as many goals, might be coz he seemed to be playing higher up the ground quite alot.
Would be interesting to know his goal assist ave.

 

[gringo2011]

If Merett wants out and Draper has left then they may as well try to sell the full re build. The issue for them as i see it is theyve not won a final in 487 years and their supporter base is broken (they make our 20 years look sparkling by comparison).

If they think they can sell a rebuild then getting another 2 firsts along with the draper compo might be okay, im not sure they can though.

Theyve "won" every off season for a decade and are somehow still getting worse.

They really were unlucky with that last rebuild and players walking out on them. Lost a lot of good players and then wasted the picks on guys who broke down or didn't come on as expected. Reminds me of us with the Paddy Mattress era.

 

[OxSaint]

If we could only have 1 of CMac or Flanders, who would everyone prefer?

CMac for me.

 

[gringo2011]

Max is also a pretty big problem in this regard - I'm not @ you, I agree with you.

When he was last playing, at times, opposition players were just taking on Max because they knew he wouldn't chase.

But I definitely do see pressure as an important part of Sharman's role - of all the forwards.

You can't sustain too many players who are poor in this part of the game - otherwise there is no way you are going to succeed as a team.

If you watch him he seems to drop right back with the play and often inside defensive 50 then streaming forward to provide options up the field. There are lot of bits to improving that.

If you have a more dominant midfield you can camp a tall up forward. If your defence holds up it doesn't need reinforcements etc. If you have a focal point tall forward you can get out on a flank for some easy ball too.

 

[gringo2011]

I mean thats the way its headed it seems the smartest and only real option but teams do weird shit when they think their supporter base will turn.

Carlton might even top up again at this rate

Carlton sort of have to. They have an elite older brigade and probably have to do a soft refresh rather than start again.

 

[Minga]

Imagine--just for a second--if Wilson makes that GWS performance the norm going forward

In that scenario he wins a Coleman lol

 

[Joffaboy]

Not into either to be honest
Not only can Jackson Voss play in the backline, could be Hall like in the midfield.
And comes cheap

I like the sound of Jack Voss and some players mature later than others ( Wilkie a prime example), but would caution going purely off VFL form.
Have seen many players absolutely kill it at VFL and can't compete at AFL level. Saw a game where Bytel looked like Bont, Cripps and Dangerfield combined, but when in the seniors struggled. That's just one example.
Stocker gets a gig for a reason. Hard at the pill, reads the play well, tough as they come. Reckon he improves as the backline improves as well.

 

[SaintlyHymns]

McKenzie doesn't excite me all that much, and I feel like I only know his name due to the initial NGA connection. However he does seem to be highly rated with lots of potential upside, plus he's in the right age bracket - so if we can shake him loose we'd be silly not to try.

For me he's a genuine mid that doesn't get the opportunity, maybe because he's a hybrid or Newcomb and Worpel?

He's shown enough when he's in there to become a future star. He's clean over the footy, nice agility and plays like a rolls Royce. I think he'd fill the Steele role and complement Nas really well.

There's a kick he laced to Luke Breust in his debut game that was enough for me. Since then I've hung onto that one moment to convince me he'll win multiple Brownlows if he comes to us (or at the very least a runner up to Nas)

 

[stfan]

sorry mate, the picture was removed and I had to re-add with an edit it as it broke the rules. Have put it back in now

Thanks ..

However I cannot envisage how the Hawks would land 2 of Petracca, Walsh, Merrett and Butters this trade period.

One of yes, but 2 of?

That would be a huge amount of quality picks and players. As it stands they probably are short of what they would need for one of the above.

None are FA's like they had with Battle.
The Hawks gave up their 2025 first-, second- and third-round selections to West Coast in order to secure Tom Barrass, while receiving a fourth-round pick in return.

Though they could be plotting one this year and Butters next year.

 

[Minga]

McKenzie doesn't excite me all that much, and I feel like I only know his name due to the initial NGA connection. However he does seem to be highly rated with lots of potential upside, plus he's in the right age bracket - so if we can shake him loose we'd be silly not to try.

I prefer his highlights to Flanders + 2 or so years younger, and his younger bro is coming through our NGA as well.

Just eye test highlights tho, people seem to rate Flanders very highly.