Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 22: Insert Blame Here

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[HirdsTheWord]

He supported it to the point that he said that school shootings are a necessary evil for the freedoms of Americans. And the RWNJ clapped and cheered him for it.

About 70 people in Gaza got killed today about the same time Charlie was assassinated, most of those are innocent women and children. Nobody cares about those murders.

It's quite possible that Trump and his cohorts will campaign that "the second amendment should only be a righ for conservatives" soon... I can see this happening.

i am certainly not aware of him saying that school shooting are necessary. So if that true it would probably change my opinion a fair bit.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Jessie Waters and Fox are absolute garbage.
They are fuelling this hate and division with their lies.

All for ratings and profit.

 

[Saint]

An Elon tweets the Left is a party of murder.....

The Democrats helped start a genocide, so I wouldn't say they're not the party of murder.

Both US parties are parties of murder and the USA uses violence to try to solve 90% of its problems. Whether it's invading countries, blowing them up or using military tactics to round up brown people. Violence is seen as 9 of the top 10 possible responses to any problem.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

4:30 in this video and a couple of other times, it's what he says, it's for "defending yourself" from a tyrannical Government. He also mentions why some deaths are bound to happen from guns and that's ok. I wonder if he'd say the same thing in hindsight. Probably. His death is the price he was willing to pay.

yeah and i'm saying disagreeing with others opinions is not defending yourself from a tyrannical government.

I don't support guns, and i think they should all be removed from existence. But suggesting Charlie dieing by the same thing he was defending is an incredibly simple view IMO.

 

[Financialpanther]

He was referring to ‘the joyous clowns’ on this thread, inferring that they were worthy of denigration. I can’t recall a posting that intimated joy.

There is a fair degree of Helen Lovejoy'ing from that one person.

 

[Dazzler9]

yeah and i'm saying disagreeing with others opinions is not defending yourself from a tyrannical government.

I don't support guns, and i think they should all be removed from existence. But suggesting Charlie dieing by the same thing he was defending is an incredibly simple view IMO.

You're overthinking it.

He advocated for guns and stated that it was acceptable to have a certain number of deaths by guns in return for the right to own guns. Then he died by gun. That's irony.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

You're overthinking it.

He advocated for guns and stated that it was acceptable to have a certain number of deaths by guns in return for the right to own guns. Then he died by gun. That's irony.

And id say you are under thinking it.

Difference of opinion i guess. All good.

 

[QuietB]

Has the National Guard been sent into Utah yet?

Utah is out of control. We want action Trump

 

[Financialpanther]

Any eyes on the bombs Putin and Bebi are dropping right now given the cover they have?

 

[kalex6251]

All for ratings and profit.

rita panahi is getting instructions from HQ on what to write as we speak

 

[Saint]

yeah and i'm saying disagreeing with others opinions is not defending yourself from a tyrannical government.

I don't support guns, and i think they should all be removed from existence. But suggesting Charlie dieing by the same thing he was defending is an incredibly simple view IMO.

Well Charlie was "thrilled" when the US blew up a Venezuelan boat.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

As Neil Brennan noted so eloquently:

I’d forgotten that one. The US military guy in the bunker is superb.

 

[GreyCrow]

Well Charlie was "thrilled" when the US blew up a Venezuelan boat.

I got 10 seconds in and when he started talking about Christianity I left

' I'm a Christian - I love the deaths of Venezualan fishermen ' just doesnt sound Christiany to me

 

[Saint]

And id say you are under thinking it.

Difference of opinion i guess. All good.

I don't think it's really a big deal, to be honest. Lots of innocent people are being killed by the USA/Israel in Gaza every day. 70 yesterday and Charlie was on board. He's onboard with all the US gun deaths as the price of freedom. He also thinks mothers dying of lack of abortion access is a price to pay for the freedom of the foetus.

Charlie just paid the self-declared price of freedom himself, which he's only been too eager to see many others pay.

I do anticipate an increasing tempo of violence in the USA. The division has become that toxic and the Government's response to everything is violence and force. Plus it makes fascism easier to impose.

 

[Saint]

I got 10 seconds in and when he started talking about Christianity I left

' I'm a Christian - I love the deaths of Venezualan fishermen ' just doesnt sound Christiany to me

Yep, his approach to life and death for other people was that people dying happens all the time and was a necessary price to be paid. Now he's paid it. And the cycle will continue as long as people like him have influence.

 

[Satan]

Has the National Guard been sent into Utah yet?

Utah is out of control. We want action Trump

2 weeks?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I don't think it's really a big deal, to be honest. Lots of innocent people are being killed by the USA/Israel in Gaza every day. 70 yesterday and Charlie was on board. He's onboard with all the US gun deaths as the price of freedom. He also thinks mothers dying of lack of abortion access is a price to pay for the freedom of the foetus.

Charlie just paid the self-declared price of freedom himself, which he's only been too eager to see many others pay.

I do anticipate an increasing tempo of violence in the USA. The division has become that toxic and the Government's response to everything is violence and force. Plus it makes fascism easier to impose.

The left v right hatred is indeed insane

 

[bourbons]

No one deserves to die over their political views you nutjob

Lucky he didn't say that then?

 

[kalex6251]

by his own admission - events like sandy hook were an acceptable price to pay to preserve a conservative institution like gun ownership

countless opportunities would have been afforded him to challenge his thinking on guns - he chose his path

not sure he deserves sympathy ... at all

 

[Royces Hart]

Kirk was a symptom of a large movement. He didn't deserve to die.

He didn’t deserve to die but nah **** that, waving his shit views and rhetoric as a “symptom.” He made his own choices without a gun to his head, to further his own views and agendas and line his own pockets.

Didn’t deserve to die but was a willing participant in broadcasting heinous views.

 

[1990crow]

He didn’t deserve to die but nah **** that, waving his shit views and rhetoric as a “symptom.” He made his own choices without a gun to his head, to further his own views and agendas and line his own pockets.

Didn’t deserve to die but was a willing participant in broadcasting heinous views.

Charlie doesn't have his views unless millions of other have before him, and do right now.
He absolutely is a symptom of history.

 

[Mick F]

“Members of other political parties are not our enemies; they are our fellow citizens.” - George W Bush

 

[RCAB]

4:30 in this video and a couple of other times, it's what he says, it's for "defending yourself" from a tyrannical Government. He also mentions why some deaths are bound to happen from guns and that's ok. I wonder if he'd say the same thing in hindsight. Probably. His death is the price he was willing to pay.

What struck me most in that old Kirk Q&A wasn’t the big slogans but the casualness. When pushed on why guns aren’t the same as cars, he equated a firearm to a kitchen knife... “you can cook a meal or you can murder someone” and then added guns can be used for target practice or a mass shooting. Delivered calmly, as if massacres were just another line item in the cost of liberty. That wasn’t a slip, that was his worldview... deaths are inevitable, and acceptable, so long as the principle of the Second Amendment is untouched.

I find the detached, casual way Kirk talked about guns being for “target practice or a mass shooting” just as unsettling as watching his own death play out on TV. That calm acceptance (as if massacres were simply the cost of liberty) is what made his rhetoric corrosive in the first place.

 

[jannissary]

Well Charlie was "thrilled" when the US blew up a Venezuelan boat.

don't "torpedo" their perspective!

 

[Father Jack]

The 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to kill people you disagree with politically, nor it is a given right per what he actually said.

If you are looking for simple irony of guy supporting guns, guy died by a gun, go for it. But its a bit more nuanced than that i believe.

No it's not, because the 2A argument for lax gun control in order to 'fight government tyranny' has always been a bad faith argument from the right (a well-regulated militia, anyone?), it's only ever been about riling up the base and gaining electoral advantage, not to mention all that sweet sweet blood money from the gun manufacturers and the NRA.

They don't care when kids get shot, why should we care when it blows back on them. Yes, it's sad for his kids and family and whatnot, but that goes for all the victims of American gun culture, who certain figures on the right have ignored or outright harassed for decades now.

Their reaction to Sandy Hook means they get zero sympathy from me. I can't be bothered even pretending to care anymore.