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The goal celebration give me the shits…..
He kicks a goal, quacks like a duck and then doesn’t touch the ball again!!
Or free up a list spot with a draft pick coming in (though not much interest elsewhere by the sounds) and persevere with Evans, White, F.Young.
What has been viewed consistently with the limitations / negatives on display trumps the perceived upside that may be there IMO.
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The draft pick would be a late speculative gamble. It's all good freeing up a list spot so long as what you bring in has good/better upside than what you let go. I doubt any late pick has as much upside as Motlop. Like I said, he holds more value to us than what we would be able to get on the list by letting him go. If this were a deep and strong draft it would make the decision harder.
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Hate goal celebrations, why act surprised you could execute your job?
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Depends on if your sole metric for evaluating forwards is goals.
And Owies was turfed because at 28 he was not getting any better and provided pretty much nothing outside of 1 goal/game against non-bottom 4 sides in 2024.
Aside from this being an absurd way to measure their worth, Owies was a year and a half older than Motlop is now when he made his debut.
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Strongly disagree with this bit, he's very fast once he's moving but his agility and especially his acceleration are poor.
For me he needs to slim down and hope we switch to a game plan where he plays less full field defensive coverage.
He is effective once on the move running towards goal but is not a good runner defensively. If we wins or contributes to the clearance it looks a million bucks but is very ineffective if his man gets it.
I'm not writing him off but I don't think he suits the role we've been asking him to play.
I think there is a gameplan issue with how we try to use all our small forwards
I’m always surprised when we kick a goal…
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Moon I love your passion for the club but you didn't answer my last question.. if we let Motlop go for a late pick, how do we go about improving our team?
You don't have to love Motlop, but you have to be reasonable and weigh up the junk pick we'd get back in return. What leaves us in a better position? If you think a late pick will be better for us than Motlop then that's fine that's your opinion but I disagree. It's not about being a Motlop fan or not.. I'm not a huge Mots fan but I'm practical and weigh up any list change in terms of whether it's actually going to improve us. Retaining Mots for 1 or 2 years at this point is just the smarter list management play. At the moment you're making it clear you don't like Motlop (fair enough) but you're not really saying how we improve our list by moving him on.
You'd move him on if:
a) you could get back better in return- unlikely in this case and with a weak draft
b) there was a better DFA available
c) you were desperate for cap space
I don't think we are desperate for cap space, nor do I think we can improve upon Motlop with a 3rd round pick in what is widely being criticised as a weaker draft. I also don't love many of the DFA available outside of maybe Blight. But there would be hot competition for him.
As for Owies.. he's 28/29 and more of a lead up forward than a genuine crumbling small forward. We have that covered with Moir, Kemp and even Frankie Evans. He has far less upside than Motlop who is 21/22. That being said, we do need to find a dynamic and natural small forward who hits the pack at speed and gets to the drop of the ball.
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Simple exercise for me.
Bring in a better option via trade, draft a potentially better player at the draft and delist the worst performing player in that position in 2026.
We cut Fantasia already and we have poor depth, we aren’t building any depth in this position by trading one of the better ones we have,
Upside is in your opinion.
IMO showed SFA this season despite being gifted games (thought we were fattening him up for value) and the same faults that limit his output at AFL level, over the highlight he may throw in per game to tantalise = your upside.
Owies was turfed because he was out of contract, 28 and we couldn’t afford that type on our list.
Unfortunate timing. LM.
Matt Owies was a Cat B success story.
Motlop is looking like someone that has played football all his life & a National Draft flop!
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And if he did the things I described others would have been let go before him. But yes as I mentioned age and his ability to get better would have been a factor
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A flop at 21? My word
Dude ... there's no point discussing who we replace him with if he has just been given a 2 year contract.
You didn't answer my question ... so I owe you nuffin.
I hope Motsy comes good in 2026 ... only seeing the bar of expectation is set so low ... no doubt 2026 will be a success for his fans around here. Like Gavstar pointed out.... Motsy doesn't have to kick many Goals and he still receives a jucy pay cheque in 2027. Lucky him.
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Out of contract!!! Same for MK (in-contract) and the pay grade level that was let go. S/C decisions that were made to straighten us out and take 4-5 picks at the draft.
He was improving from Cat B drafting.
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I understand he was out of contract. That is a factor but what I said is still true. Owies did not provide a lot of things that a small forward should and at his age had limited ability to improve significantly in those areas. He was essentially playing as a mid-sized or even KPF despite being a small.
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Where has the bar of expectation even been set for it to be "so low"? Haven't heard anyone set that bar of expectation for any of our other resignees. Evans? Does he need to kick 30 goals to be a good contract next year? Does Kemp need to kick 30 goals?
He’s more a medium forward that can play a small forward. A tweener that actually had more forward craft in getting to the right positions to hit the scoreboard than our other small forwards. Showed this from his VFL grounding/apprenticeship.
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He lead at the ball carrier more than some of our other smalls which is great. But if you look at other key traits that we need in our team in that role including pace, foot skills, crumbing ability/positional awareness, defensive pressure and even positional versatility etc he was not going to help in those areas.
Yes please ... Carlton would be better if forwards kicked more Goals ... trust me.
I wanted Owies gone ... but give him credit as a reliable shot at Goal. Just not enough of them when it mattered
Edit: The bar has been set low for Motlop because all his fans are relying on his potential ... young fella ... he will improve.
It's not like he has actually delivered much so far ... so let's not set the bar too high eh?
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