List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[Redline]

Yep, list management need to save Crom from themselves and delist Smithers now

Tex I think needs to go around one more but manage him way more please ffs lol

Smith is gone, not announced but definitely going.

I think Tex is as well, just timing the announcement.

 

[FR0GGY]

Hmm, don’t know why I thought Burgess had been delisted…

I know why!

 

[jenny61_99]

I know why!

Why?

 

[Not Darryl Moss]

Why?

Wish fulfillment ?

 

[Skippos]

Love to know I’m not the only one who doesn’t rate Flanders. Not sure what the hype is.
He’s not what we need at all.

Petracca will be perfect for us tbh, him and Ah Chee would be a win (or Oliver under Burgess) and Bailey FA next year.

YES THANKS

Petracca at his best is good for us purely because he was that good. And irrelevant of balance, pure talent often wins.

But let's not pretend Petracca is what our midfield needs. Dawson's good, but offensive minded and more outside. Rankine's an offensive guy. Soligo's solid, but more offensive minded & outside. Petracca is the same.

We gave up 1 more ground ball to our opponents this year than we got (ranked #12). Yet post-clearance, we were +4 (ranked #1). We were +2.5 on contested possessions (ranked #8), yet post clearance we were +7 (ranked #1). So in the clearance situations we were -5 on ground balls and -4.5 on contested possessions. We were -2 for clearances (ranked #13). -4.4 for first possession (ranked #17).

Yet we were +1.5 (ranked #5) for gathers from hitouts. All of this in the context of us being +10 for hitouts (ranked #2) and +2 for hitouts to advantage (ranked #4).

Petracca by season rank - disposals, contested possessions, clearances (%CBAs)

2020: #12, #3, #48 (66%)
2021: #10, #6, #12 (79%)
2022: #16, #12, #47 (75%)
2023: #15, #7, #17 (61%)
2024: #50, #29, #57 (56%)
2025: #37, #22, #53 (66%)

Crows mids this year by season rank - disposals, contested possessions, clearances (%CBAs)

Crouch: #33, #33, #15, (60%)
Peatling: #132, #62, #50 (48%)
Dawson: #54, #49, #55 (75%)
Rankine: #96, #28, #56 (40%)
Soligo: #91, #48 #59 (62%)
Berry: #236, #100, #86 (55%)

On top of this, only Crouch (#26) and Soligo (#50) are top 50 for hard ball gets.
Rankine (#29) and Soligo (#33) for ground ball gets. Only Crouch (#18) for first possessions.

In stats like post clearance contested possessions, we're dominant. Worrell (#4), Thilthorpe (#5), Rankine (#8), Laird (#30), Keays (#37), ANB (#40). Yet no mids.

Post clearance ground ball gets, we're dominant. Worrell #3, Rankine #5, Laird #8, Keays #11, ANB #23, Soligo #36

Once it gets out of the stoppages, we're a bloody good contested ball side with elite contributes forward of centre and in defence.

Where they're let down is in the middle. We don't have difference makers. We've got a surprising edge through ROB in preventing the opposition getting first look at it, yet our guys can't capitalise. Part of that may be setup/structure. But it's also personnel.

That isn't Petracca's game. He's not a clearance guy. He's a good contested possession guy around the ground. But he's best with guys winning it for him. Same as Dawson.

 

[Mostyn]

Petracca (and Oliver) have shown they can't really go forward and have an impact.. Both are exclusively midfielders.

Petracca can be a

Murphy was predictable too, if you look past the fear people had that he'd get another deal.

Murphy only played five games this year, he's a pretty obvious delist.

 

[FR0GGY]

Why?

Because he’s not AFL standard

 

[Mostyn]

Smith or any retiree I can actually understand. If they're in our coaches' best 22 and the season is alive, by all means pick them.

What is utterly baffling is the 20 something year olds in the prime of their careers. If they are considered delist-worthy, how on earth are they getting games ahead of players we obviously rate higher?

It's like we're trying to soften the blow of their impending delistment

We felt they could do more now but the youn ger players still offer more potential to do more in the future. I don;t see why that's strange.

You choose a side based on what they can do this week. You choose your list based on what they'll do next year and beyond.

 

[Redline]

As has been noted, Murphy was entirely predictable.

I doubt we'll have 5-6 picks at the ND. The changes to date have only created 2x senior (Murphy & Crouch), 1x Cat A rookie (Schoenberg) and 1x Cat B rookie (Gallagher) list vacancies. Note that Strachan's position has already been filled by McAndrew and Cotton effectively replaces Gallagher (with still room for 1 more Cat B rookie should we find one).

The club is likely to add Ah Chee to the list, and is actively hunting for gun midfielders - the media reported yesterday that we have thrown our hats into the ring for both Merrett and Petracca. Even if we trade 1 or 2 players out (e.g. Butts & Sholl) with Smith & Tex retiring, we still won't have enough vacancies for more than 3-4 new draftees.

Good analysis.

Given our second pick is going to be in the early 40's we wouldn't want many picks and trading future picks into this year's draft doesn't make much sense.

Still not sure what Archee is worth. I know everyone will say a future second but trading away future picks is a mugs game and really limits what you can do 12 months down the track.

 

[footy4ever]

The club is likely to add Ah Chee to the list,

I don't get time to keep up with everything. Have heard about the Ah Chee possibility.

Can you tell me where this started?



Ah Chee would be a massive get!

 

[Slim258]

I don't get time to keep up with everything. Have heard about the Ah Chee possibility.

Can you tell me where this started?



Ah Chee would be a massive get!

Been spoken about through a few media outlets.
Twomey said its virtually done on Gettable yesterday I think

 

[footy4ever]

Smithers officially retired.

 

[GreyCrow]

 

[crows dude]

Currently We have three spots on senior list and one on Rookie list

Senior List
1 Jones
2 Keays
3 Berry
4 Curtin
5 Thilthorpe
6 Rachele
7 Murray N
8 Pedlar
9 Edwards
10 Dawson
11 Walker - Maybe retirement to be announced
12 Soligo
13 Cook
14 Michalaney
15 Welsh
16 Taylor - Still requires a contract to be announced
17 Hinge
18 Ryan
19 Rankine
20 Worrell
21 Peatling
22 Nankervis
23 Neale-Bullen
24 Laird
25 Milera
26 Dowling
27 Fogarty
28 Draper
29 Sholl
30 Bond
31 Butts
32 O'Brien
33 Cumming
34 Keane
35 Vacant
36 Vacant
37 Vacant
38 Vacant

Rookie A
1 Borlase
2 Murray T
3 McAndrew
4 Burgess - Out of contract. Likely to be delisted


Rookie B
1 Indy Cotton

 

[Crow_68]

Currently We have three spots on senior list and one on Rookie list

Senior List
1 Jones
2 Keays
3 Berry
4 Curtin
5 Thilthorpe
6 Rachele
7 Murray N
8 Pedlar
9 Edwards
10 Dawson
11 Walker - Maybe retirement to be announced
12 Soligo
13 Cook
14 Michalaney
15 Welsh
16 Taylor - Still requires a contract to be announced
17 Hinge
18 Burgess - Out of contract. Likely to be delisted
19 Ryan
20 Rankine
21 Worrell
22 Peatling
23 Nankervis
24 Neale-Bullen
25 Laird
26 Milera
27 Dowling
28 Fogarty
29 Draper
30 Sholl
31 Bond
32 Butts
33 O'Brien
34 Cumming
35 Keane
36 Vacant
37 Vacant
38 Vacant

Rookie A
1 Borlase
2 Murray T
3 McAndrew
4 Vacant


Rookie B
1 Indy Cotton

Isn’t Burgess on the rookie list?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We felt they could do more now but the youn ger players still offer more potential to do more in the future. I don;t see why that's strange.

You choose a side based on what they can do this week. You choose your list based on what they'll do next year and beyond.

20 somethings are now players.

If you're picking them now ahead of other now players it's illogical to flip preferences a few weeks later.

 

[Scorpus]

Isn’t Burgess on the rookie list?

That's right.

SENIOR LIST
Out: Crouch, Smith, Murphy, Strachan
In:

ROOKIE LIST
Out: Schoenberg, Gallagher (Cat. B)
In: McAndrew, Cotton (Cat. B)

When we recruited McAndrew he was added to the rookie list which replaced Strachan on the senior list.

UNSIGNED
Senior: Taylor
Rookie: Burgess

I don't believe we have any required rookie to senior elevations this season

 

[Slim258]

That's right.

SENIOR LIST
Out: Crouch, Smith, Murphy, Strachan
In:

ROOKIE LIST
Out: Schoenberg, Gallagher (Cat. B)
In: McAndrew, Cotton (Cat. B)

When we recruited McAndrew he was added to the rookie list which replaced Strachan on the senior list.

UNSIGNED
Senior: Taylor
Rookie: Burgess

I don't believe we have any required rookie to senior elevations this season

Borlase Senior or Rookie list?

If Rookie list - he'd be getting close to the end (is it 3 years max)?

 

[AFC979810]

etracca by season rank - disposals, contested possessions, clearances (%CBAs)

2020: #12, #3, #48 (66%)
2021: #10, #6, #12 (79%)
2022: #16, #12, #47 (75%)
2023: #15, #7, #17 (61%)
2024: #50, #29, #57 (56%)
2025: #37, #22, #53 (66%)

Crows mids this year by season rank - disposals, contested possessions, clearances (%CBAs)

Crouch: #33, #33, #15, (60%)
Peatling: #132, #62, #50 (48%)
Dawson: #54, #49, #55 (75%)
Rankine: #96, #28, #56 (40%)
Soligo: #91, #48 #59 (62%)
Berry: #236, #100, #86 (55%)

So Petrecca is better than all of our midfielders and your take is we don't want him?

You don't think that Trac winning the hardball allows for Rankine and Dawson to get more outside ball which absolutely makes us a million times better?

 

[crows dude]

Borlase Senior or Rookie list?

If Rookie list - he'd be getting close to the end (is it 3 years max)?

Crows cut defender but commit to rookie lifeline

James Borlase has been delisted but will be redrafted as a rookie, while Nick Murray will be elevated to the primary list

www.afl.com.au

 

[crows dude]

Isn’t Burgess on the rookie list?

Yes sorry I forgot we dropped him to rookie list

 

[WeeBlake]

Petracca at his best is good for us purely because he was that good. And irrelevant of balance, pure talent often wins.

But let's not pretend Petracca is what our midfield needs. Dawson's good, but offensive minded and more outside. Rankine's an offensive guy. Soligo's solid, but more offensive minded & outside. Petracca is the same.

We gave up 1 more ground ball to our opponents this year than we got (ranked #12). Yet post-clearance, we were +4 (ranked #1). We were +2.5 on contested possessions (ranked #8), yet post clearance we were +7 (ranked #1). So in the clearance situations we were -5 on ground balls and -4.5 on contested possessions. We were -2 for clearances (ranked #13). -4.4 for first possession (ranked #17).

Yet we were +1.5 (ranked #5) for gathers from hitouts. All of this in the context of us being +10 for hitouts (ranked #2) and +2 for hitouts to advantage (ranked #4).

Petracca by season rank - disposals, contested possessions, clearances (%CBAs)

2020: #12, #3, #48 (66%)
2021: #10, #6, #12 (79%)
2022: #16, #12, #47 (75%)
2023: #15, #7, #17 (61%)
2024: #50, #29, #57 (56%)
2025: #37, #22, #53 (66%)

Crows mids this year by season rank - disposals, contested possessions, clearances (%CBAs)

Crouch: #33, #33, #15, (60%)
Peatling: #132, #62, #50 (48%)
Dawson: #54, #49, #55 (75%)
Rankine: #96, #28, #56 (40%)
Soligo: #91, #48 #59 (62%)
Berry: #236, #100, #86 (55%)

On top of this, only Crouch (#26) and Soligo (#50) are top 50 for hard ball gets.
Rankine (#29) and Soligo (#33) for ground ball gets. Only Crouch (#18) for first possessions.

In stats like post clearance contested possessions, we're dominant. Worrell (#4), Thilthorpe (#5), Rankine (#8), Laird (#30), Keays (#37), ANB (#40). Yet no mids.

Post clearance ground ball gets, we're dominant. Worrell #3, Rankine #5, Laird #8, Keays #11, ANB #23, Soligo #36

Once it gets out of the stoppages, we're a bloody good contested ball side with elite contributes forward of centre and in defence.

Where they're let down is in the middle. We don't have difference makers. We've got a surprising edge through ROB in preventing the opposition getting first look at it, yet our guys can't capitalise. Part of that may be setup/structure. But it's also personnel.

That isn't Petracca's game. He's not a clearance guy. He's a good contested possession guy around the ground. But he's best with guys winning it for him. Same as Dawson.

If we are so bad at stoppage, and so good outside stoppage (and that seems true to the eye test) do you have an opinion on why have we went with a long-down-the-line game plan which seems destined to generate more stoppages? I don’t get it

Edit so you’re saying what our midfield needs is a Tom Green/Serong/Rowell first possession type of player?

 

[LoBu]

Murphy was predictable too, if you look past the fear people had that he'd get another deal.

Cutting Murph was one of the few predictable things about his career, perhaps the only thing.

 

[AFC979810]

Nick Murray was a rookie this year?

 

[Cromulant]

So Petrecca is better than all of our midfielders and your take is we don't want him?

You don't think that Trac winning the hardball allows for Rankine and Dawson to get more outside ball which absolutely makes us a million times better?

Its not that people dont want him, its the cost of doing business to get him.

We were exposed in finals in the midfield, he no doubt helps. But we were also exposed for a lack of transition from the back half, we have poor small forward depth and we will need to sort out our forward structure.