Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[Blue_Fusion]

IF we take Barrett's approach
THEN Charlie will remain at Carlton

 

[Bfevola]

IF we take Barrett's approach
THEN Charlie will remain at Carlton

So you wanna just give Charlie away just because he is unhappy? He is a superstar. You dont hand them out to other clubs making them stronger than yours.

No big offer. Then he stays. Simple as that.

 

[RPCB]

I think it’s all pretty simple, Charlie either gets us a “Kings Ransom” & a deal that’s a very obvious over pay (which I really don’t see happening - Geelong & Sydney do not over pay or have the picks to facilitate it. Gold Coast - maybe, if so they will pay up sufficiently)
Or Charlie stays, by round 10 Voss will be gone & with a decent game plan & structure he will be happy to be running around for us.

I don’t mind Charlie saying “I want out” I would be pretty bloody disappointed as a player in this team with the way we play.
Charlie & Harry should be close to unstoppable- yes they have had little time together due to injury but at no time have we looked to have a structure and style that allows them both to play to their full potential.

It hurts (& feels dirty) to say this - but if Mitchell & the hawks coaching staff had control of our team, how good do u think we would be?

Charlie has been injured so much in his career, that we sometimes forget the “Charlie and Harry haven’t played much together” thing hasn’t been the case for years. Since the beginning of the 2022 season, Charlie has played 87 of 95 games and Harry has played in 73 of 95 games (* for 2025 where Harry missed half the year due to personally issues).

If Charlie and Harry can’t co-exist after 10 years and barely missing games together between 2022-2024 then I don’t know what to say.

 

[RPCB]

So you wanna just give Charlie away just because he is unhappy? He is a superstar. You dont hand them out to other clubs making them stronger than yours.

No big offer. Then he stays. Simple as that.

I think Blue_Fusion might be saying the same thing. Barrett’s trade suggestions are crap, so Charlie stays is what BF is saying.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

Yeah those 2 Homes for Geriatrics .. Geelong and Collingwood aren't doing too badly

Could be a great option for the defenceless Dogs also - watch him have an AA year next year at one of those 3…

 

[Coona Blues]

Charlie's contract is front loaded.
If he stays, I'm sure we'll suggest to him that if he performs, the door on a re-negotiation for 2027 and beyond will be open.

Yeah, nah. He has received good, if not great remuneration for spasmodic return. He has been overpaid against expectation. Why offer a premium for him to fulfill his contract? I would not be against a bonus if he realises his potential, contributes to team ethos and stays on the park.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

I could be in the minority here, but I don’t think I would even be happy with Blakey as a core part of the deal.

He’s a Yeah, Nah for me.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

I could be in the minority here, but I don’t think I would even be happy with Blakey as a core part of the deal.

Overrated.

 

[DZ4]

So you wanna just give Charlie away just because he is unhappy? He is a superstar. You dont hand them out to other clubs making them stronger than yours.

No big offer. Then he stays. Simple as that.

He was a superstar. This year he was very good at times but a fair way off his peak for a lot of the season.

We are gambling on him consistently getting back to his best over the next 4 years, and further to that if Charlie getting back to his best is worth sacrificing improvement elsewhere. We could add 3 very good players to a list that lacks depth and depth of talent.

If there are doubts on his buy in or his knee I think a trade will be heavily considered and it’s not going to be the kings ransom we probably think we deserve. Can’t be anything less than clear overs though.

 

[jimsta10]

Why are all the ITK's holding back?

Haven't heard a juicy gossip for weeks.

 

[Bluebag13]

BH did at one stage show signs of homesickness so could still be something lingering beneath the surface there…. Plus, he was a big Carlton fan

I did not know he was a blues fan growing up!

 

[JustaBattler]

This is what I’m saying is a fallacy. The power (although it shouldn’t be) really rests 90% with the player. The only way Charlie is an asset to us if he is willing to play and put in. If you own a depreciating asset like a Porsche and all of sudden you walk out to your garage and find it’s unlikely to go above 80km an hour next year, you sell it for arguably under market value but get at least something for it.

I’m not saying I want Flanders and a first for Charlie. I actually hope Flanders nominates anywhere else to stop the chance of it happening. I just have fears that something similar may well be the result. I hope I’m wrong.

Well to draw a painful comparison to your metaphor...

My 996 Turbo has been fully rebuilt - twice and is worth 4-5X more than it was when I bought it 30 years ago. I sold my 916 SPS Ducati Pista ( Fogarty replica 1 of 150 ) for ( literally) 4X what I paid for it 30 years ago during COVID.

Rare good things can be and should be fixed and only 'sold' for massive premium - because that is what they are worth.

 

[morningbrown]

I honestly want Charlie out the door for even a modest deal. That kind of attitude will hamstring the club if we don't stamp it out. Look at how conditional he is already, now imagine that dialed up to 11. Good clubs either manage the personality or they ship them out, and we've clearly not managed him sufficiently.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Charlie has been injured so much in his career, that we sometimes forget the “Charlie and Harry haven’t played much together” thing hasn’t been the case for years. Since the beginning of the 2022 season, Charlie has played 87 of 95 games and Harry has played in 73 of 95 games (* for 2025 where Harry missed half the year due to personally issues).

If Charlie and Harry can’t co-exist after 10 years and barely missing games together between 2022-2024 then I don’t know what to say.

Played together 6 games this year - 19 both seasons the 2 years before that.
I don’t think the issue is with them coexisting- it’s getting max value as weapons & having smalls to compliment.

Point was around that I believe we have never had a structure/plan & team to really benefit from their abilities

 

[RPCB]

Played together 6 games this year - 19 both seasons the 2 years before that.
I don’t think the issue is with them coexisting- it’s getting max value as weapons & having smalls to compliment.

Point was around that I believe we have never had a structure/plan & team to really benefit from their abilities

That’s definitely true. Maybe with a new coaching staff and gameplan, Charlie and Harry could be the dangerous forwards we know they can be occupying the same F50. But it’s looking more likely that we won’t get to see it with Charlie very likely getting traded.

 

[Benaly28]

Falcons heel turn has been a surprise, at least something interesting has happened aside from droves of Charlie speculation.

If I’m to guess I think we’ll get 8-10 pages on average everyday for the next 5 weeks.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Why are all the ITK's holding back?

Haven't heard a juicy gossip for weeks.

 

[Aphrodite]

This is what I’m saying is a fallacy. The power (although it shouldn’t be) really rests 90% with the player. The only way Charlie is an asset to us if he is willing to play and put in. If you own a depreciating asset like a Porsche and all of sudden you walk out to your garage and find it’s unlikely to go above 80km an hour next year, you sell it for arguably under market value but get at least something for it.

I’m not saying I want Flanders and a first for Charlie. I actually hope Flanders nominates anywhere else to stop the chance of it happening. I just have fears that something similar may well be the result. I hope I’m wrong.

There is no such thing as a depreciating Porsche!

 

[swuzzlebubble]

And if he isn't traded and stinks it up next year the board needs to go! maybe not so simple.

This BF board?

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I think there’s a lot of over confidence re us being in the box seat with Charlie. Yes there’s examples of players coming back but there’s a lot of noise he has no interest in coming back to us. Most players who go nuclear get traded. We realistically won’t hold him to his contract if he’s mentally completely checked out.

I think we will find we will just need to take the best deal possible. Gone are the thoughts of we will need to noticeably win the trade. I fear a lot will be disappointed

he's also a man under contract... whose brother and plenty of his mates play (or played) at CFC.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Most players who go nuclear get traded.

He hasn't gone nuclear so far.
Just lobbed a couple of hand grenades.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Switch Blakey for Gulden and I’d be ok with any of those three scenarios.

I love COS but I think he’d be virtually untouchable unless he’s interested in leaving.

BH did at one stage show signs of homesickness so could still be something lingering beneath the surface there…. Plus, he was a big Carlton fan

Could be something to it.

Dimma came out and said they'd like Charlie, but Walter and Read are off the table. I wonder whether he'd be as definitive if Humphrey's name started circulating in the media...

Love Humphrey, he's a jet, but I'd be a little wary of going into next year with Harry then HOK, Young and Reidy as genuine KPF size options. Kemp will come back, Khamis might play forward, Moir can play a little taller than his listed height, but Harry is literally the only KPF there that any oppo defender is going to need to respect.

Wonder if the club would consider pulling the trigger on a genuine change in role for Cripps. If the midfield group became Hewett, Cerra, Walsh, Humphrey and Jagga, we look a lot more dynamic in there. Crippa could train with the forwards to play out of the square, spend 60% TOG up forward, and then rotate through for 5 mins bursts on ball here and there to spell Hewett and/or Cerra.

 

[smit_is]

Read the headline, thought, surely not?!? Finally some good news?!?

Hook, line and sinker. Well played, AFL site. But shame on you for preying on the vulnerable and desperate.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Played together 6 games this year - 19 both seasons the 2 years before that.
I don’t think the issue is with them coexisting- it’s getting max value as weapons & having smalls to compliment.

Point was around that I believe we have never had a structure/plan & team to really benefit from their abilities

So they have played 44 games together in 3 years or out of 73 games which is 60%

 

[gbatman]

I honestly want Charlie out the door for even a modest deal. That kind of attitude will hamstring the club if we don't stamp it out. Look at how conditional he is already, now imagine that dialed up to 11. Good clubs either manage the personality or they ship them out, and we've clearly not managed him sufficiently.

Curnow doesn't want to finish his career in a shit side. It's that simple. Our history, how we have been trending the last couple of seasons and with some profile players already out the door and some other profile players going past their prime years. He has every right to feel this way. He would be worried that he is going to finish his career the way it started, in a rebuilding cellar dweller. I'd leave too if that was the case.

In my opinion, it's fair enough he asks to be traded. He probably believes he could be stuck at Carlton and achieve nothing or go elsewhere and get himself a premiership.

It's actually up to the club to prove itself and convince players that it will be a premiership contender soon.

A year or two outside the 8 won't hurt but is not ideal but we have to be accumulating talent.

The better sides don't bottom out and if they do it's short. The better sides use free agency to their benefit, manage their list and cap well and they stay in it over the decades as to attract top end talent and when they need them they get them. We have the capabilities to get back into finals if we recruit the right players this off season.

If we do that and start trending upwards and playing finals again then players like Curnow are going to want to stay here and push for a flag with us, but if we aren't good enough and can't do this then they are going to want to go.

If we want Curnow to change his mind then the football club needs to earn that.