Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[Aphrodite]

So Charlie approached Geelong 3-4 months ago

Where is that coming from?

 

[Faucon Bleu]

How does Collingwood do that? I thought they'd gone all chips in to get Houston..?

I'm not happy with a Guy with Charlie's attitude being forced to stick around when he wants to leave
That doesn't mean I think we should give him away for unders.
Will it mean that he will be another Chol who only gives half arsed efforts depending on how he feels on the Day?

I don't know how you can extract 100% out of a Player unless they have a lot to lose.. which, in this case .. doesn't include losing his job for another 4 years.

Who said we should give him away for nothing?

 

[sweethoney]

Where is that coming from?

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Where is that coming from?

He’s seriously down in Geelong more often than he’s in Melbourne. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he’s been in contact with them all year.

Spends heaps of time with Bailey as well etc.

 

[Faucon Bleu]

He’s seriously down in Geelong more often than he’s in Melbourne. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he’s been in contact with them all year.

Spends heaps of time with Bailey as well etc.

So what can they offer us if they actually want Charlie?

 

[GoBlues!]

Carlton first could just as easily mean **** off if you don’t want to be here

It could if it’s Carlton’s best interests - in Curnows case telling him to FO and getting unders is only good for Charlie..

Provided we get a good to great deal, then by all means invoke the FO rule.

 

[Michael Jezz]

I’m sure you would agree we lack pace and footskills, Michael.

I think the question would be, where do we find players who have both at an affordable price? Everyone in the league is after them. And there is a huge premium on them.

Chesser is the only one with whom we’ve been linked that brings the full package. But he’s affordable because he also comes with a lengthy injury history.

When the list management team looks at a player like Jiath, they know he only ticks one box. But the bigger question is, does his pace allow him to open the game in a way that might allow those with footskills on our list to use them more consistently?

If he does, then maybe he is worth the turnovers. So when you say we can’t carry another player who can’t kick, you may be right. But he brings a pace we don’t otherwise have, and perhaps that opens up the game in a way we can’t currently achieve?

It’s a question only the list management team can answer.

Pace & footskills in the vfl eg Young

 

[CarmenSandiego]

So what can they offer us if they actually want Charlie?

Dunno. I wouldn’t trade with them, they sell us lemons all the time and most of their players are flat out average when taken out of the Geelong system.

Can only see it happening if a few clubs are involved and it becomes a complex mega trade where nobody knows who won or lost.

Charlie wants out and keeping him risks a shit influence on the rest of the group though.

 

[RPCB]

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Sam Edmund might be one of the decent ones in the media, but the way that is worded makes no sense. The only way to “begin talks” is when the player is a free agent. Charlie’s four year contract is owned by Carlton, so he can’t begin talks with another club. Only Carlton can begin talks with another club for Charlie.

 

[Moon]

Who said we should give him away for nothing?

Hahaha ... love the Bold where you totally dismissed the words preceding it 'That doesn't mean' lol
Besides, I said 'unders' ... not nothing. I don't get what you are meaning

 

[sweethoney]

Sam Edmund might be one of the decent ones in the media, but the way that is worded makes no sense. The only way to “begin talks” is when the player is a free agent. Charlie’s four year contract is owned by Carlton, so he can’t begin talks with another club. Only Carlton can begin talks with another club for Charlie.

So Zac Merrett can’t have talks with Sam Mitchell either?

 

[Abers]

Sam Edmund might be one of the decent ones in the media, but the way that is worded makes no sense. The only way to “begin talks” is when the player is a free agent. Charlie’s four year contract is owned by Carlton, so he can’t begin talks with another club. Only Carlton can begin talks with another club for Charlie.

That’s not how it works unfortunately, the player managers are constantly brokering deals between players and clubs.

 

[ITK]

We have gone past Papley. he's aged out and is starting to struggle with injuries. We should put forward McCartin as a possibly option.

No thanks, to either. McCartin one bad concussion from retirement.

 

[The Bighouse]

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Also said he couldn’t see how Geelong could trade him in along with their interest in Marshall.

CC willing to take a clip on the pay to make it work (reportedly, though this is subject to the front-loaded pay scale, if he’s milked the best of our contract).

 

[The Bighouse]

So Zac Merrett can’t have talks with Sam Mitchell either?

No, he shouldn’t be. Especially HFC from *.

 

[sweethoney]

Also said he couldn’t see how Geelong could trade him in along with their interest in Marshall.

CC willing to a clip on the pay to make it work (reportedly, though this is subject to the front-loaded pay scale, if he’s milked the best of our contract).

If his been on a front ended contract I’m wanting extra in the trade now

 

[ctwenty1]

If his been on a front ended contract I’m wanting extra in the trade now

Absolutely- at the end of the day we shouldn’t be giving Charlie up for unders

 

[The Bighouse]

If his been on a front ended contract I’m wanting extra in the trade now

Like to see these players that skip out on their contracts that are front loaded have to pay back the club from what’s been outlaid over the average wage of the full contract.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

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I hope to Jesus H Christ this isn't true...

If this guy checked out in the middle of the season, then that's a slap in the face of the club and all supporters. It's bad enough that TDK did, but at least we all knew he was going and he wasn't contracted for another 4 years.

Unless Geebung offer us an absolute king's ransom... we don't trade him to them. I'm talking Holmes + Neale minimum.

 

[The Bighouse]

May to NMFC would be better. Supposedly battling an ankle injury and could return to a very solid defender.
Would like to keep finalists like Collingwood, Hawthorn from getting better .

 

[Blue_Fusion]

May to NMFC would be better. Supposedly battling an ankle injury and could return to a very solid defender.
Would like to keep finalists like Collingwood, Hawthorn from getting better .

May's too young for Collingwood, latest I've heard is they're after Methuselah.

 

[DZ4]

Seems unrealistic to me that we could, win big. However, if we have an acceptable deal, that is seen by most as a fair deal for us. Then I think

G.W. will give it his tick of approval. He has been round long enough, to know that you do not want a player (no matter how talented). To be on

our list, if he is not happy to be here. Club is playing a smart game here, feel confident that a positive outcome will ensue.

Spot on.

But I think some here will need to adjust their expectations on what is an acceptable deal. Gulden + Holmes + Walter + first rounders isn’t where this is going to end up.

I think it’ll be a 3-4 club deal where multiple players/picks are swapped somewhat muddying their values.

We end up with 2 very good first round picks, a best 22 player, and enough points for Dean. Tough to swallow but if Charlie has truely cracked the shits it’s a deal we have to do.

 

[RAPPA]

Let him approach Geelong and any other club. We want a plethora different deals to consider and reject.

 

[Aphrodite]

Are they turning Victoria Park into a surfing park?

Just a few kms away from the Yarra River