Rules Non-footy state academy access

[philthy05]

I want to pose this question because we’re seeing these sides make finals and even grand finals now.

Before fans lose their minds I’m not saying we remove this access, but we have to look at the logic of the argument it’s based on.


GWS Sydney Gold Coast and Brisbane finals , grand final appearances , gf wins versus non-vic trad footy states like the Sa and wa teams. It looks like it will become even more uneven in the next 5+ years.


If we accept these teams need academy access in order to be competitive, at what point do we accept they’re now competitive and why should they still keep that same access, or be able to use it as a reason to keep that access?

At what point does the same logic (needing access to all homegrown talent like those non-trad state teams get) apply to the Sa and Wa teams.

 

[Lach72]

 

[crankygeese]

Oh look, another one of these threads

 

[RUNVS]

Only 1 team has ever won a premiership with an academy and that was Brisbane last year.

Perhaps we should be more focused on why the same Victorian clubs keep winning the flag every year.

Whenever these threads come up I can't help but think of this quote

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.” - Lyndon B Johnson

The academy discussion is just a distraction from the real issue, a distraction used by the big Victorian clubs who don't want people thinking about how they continue to win every year.

 

[boncer34]

Remove the discount, same for father son.

The day will come, faster than people realise, where a club with an academy will have to decide which top 5 pick they want as they cant afford both.

 

[philthy05]

Yes I agree there is inequalities and issues with our league regarding vic teams.

That’s separate to this question

 

[Elixuh]

Did you have this thread ready to go?

Perhaps it can be merged with the 20 other academy threads

 

[RUNVS]

Yes I agree there is inequalities and issues with our league regarding vic teams.

That’s separate to this question

Right now there is a mouse and a bear in your house, both are a problem, but for some reason you are much more worried about the mouse.

 

[Lach72]

Only 1 team has ever won a premiership with an academy and that was Brisbane last year.

Perhaps we should be more focused on why the same Victorian clubs keep winning the flag every year.

Whenever these threads come up I can't help but think of this quote

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.” - Lyndon B Johnson

The academy discussion is just a distraction from the real issue, a distraction used by the big Victorian clubs who don't want people thinking about how they continue to win every year.

Footy is more than Victoria and Northern states which is the point of this OP.

As a knee jerk to the go home four or whatever it was we have this system.

And the dearth of talent coming out of WA lends legitimacy to this question.

 

[crankygeese]

Remove the discount, same for father son.

The day will come, faster than people realise, where a club with an academy will have to decide which top 5 pick they want as they cant afford both.

If the Suns didn't plan ahead and have 3 first rounders this year, then it would have been this year I suspect. But prior planning prevents piss poor performance.

As it is they'll likely miss out on their others this draft.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Free agency is helping Vic teams and academies helping nsw/qld teams. Sa/wa teams being completely screwed over

 

[randyzany]

Free agency is helping Vic teams and academies helping nsw/qld teams. Sa/wa teams being completely screwed over

Spend all those millions you have in the bank on developing young WA footballers and tempt them back to Perth if they're drafted by clubs outside WA like you did with Kelly.

 

[WillHayward]

Footy is more than Victoria and Northern states which is the point of this OP.

As a knee jerk to the go home four or whatever it was we have this system.

And the dearth of talent coming out of WA lends legitimacy to this question.

This is because the WA commission controls development in WA.

Maybe ask questions of them rather than the old "over east" imaginary conspiracy theory.

 

[The King!]

Yawn

Who are Geelong adding this summer?

 

[kaiserchief13]

Spent all those millions you have in the bank on developing young WA footballers and tempt them back to Perth if they're drafted by clubs outside WA like you did with Kelly.

Wa has less players than vic due to population. The vic fa's all seem to want to go to the same good teams- Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn now. So its a cycle same clubs at top always in Vic and now joined by Northern clubs due to academies

 

[crankygeese]

1st page and we've already filled the line on the Bingo card

WA and SA fans complaining they're the ones really getting screwed
NSW and QLD fans complaining about the other inequities in the game that need attention driven by VICBias
Complaints about the points cost of matching before we've even tested the new system.
Free agency helping big clubs raid smaller clubs.
Heartland supporters not realising how far behind junior footy is in NSW and QLD

I guess I can stop watching this thread now.

 

[archereleven]

Free agency is helping Vic teams and academies helping nsw/qld teams. Sa/wa teams being completely screwed over

Some Vic teams

 

[randyzany]

Wa has less players than vic due to population. The vic fa's all seem to want to go to the same good teams- Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn now. So its a cycle same clubs at top always in Vic and now joined by Northern clubs due to academies

Are you saying that non footy states like QLD and NSW bat deeper in talent than WA, a traditional fanatical footy state? You do remember you won 2 dubious flags in the 90s with what was essentially a WA state team. It seems you wan't exclusive access to WA talent from the very beginning and you're dreaming if the AFL ever agree to that.

Like I said you're best bet is too develop WA youth out of your own pocket if it's fallen that far behind Victoria and then back yourself to tempt them back once they're recruited by other clubs.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Are you saying that non footy states like QLD and NSW bat deeper in talent than WA, a traditional fanatical footy state? You do remember you won 2 dubious flags in the 90s with what was essentially a WA state team. It seems you wan't exclusive access to WA talent from the very beginning and you're dreaming if the AFL ever agree to that.

Like I said you're best bet is too develop WA youth out of your own pocket if it's fallen that far behind Victoria and then back yourself to tempt them back once they're recruited by other clubs.

I'm saying that the academies provide the players to Northern clubs very cheaply, which makes Northern clubs consistently good nowadays, and the same Vic teams are always good due to free agents joining them consistently. Players are even willing to pay for less at good teams.

Not sure what the solution is but currently it's not working, which it shows by the same teams always being at the top

 

[Lach72]

Are you saying that non footy states like QLD and NSW bat deeper in talent than WA, a traditional fanatical footy state? You do remember you won 2 dubious flags in the 90s with what was essentially a WA state team. It seems you wan't exclusive access to WA talent from the very beginning and you're dreaming if the AFL ever agree to that.

Like I said you're best bet is too develop WA youth out of your own pocket if it's fallen that far behind Victoria and then back yourself to tempt them back once they're recruited by other clubs.

So your solution is a WORSE situation than we have now where we pay and you get our players, but now we should pay more you get our players and then we trade for them on the way back, paying exorbitant trade cost too?

Sounds great, where do we sign?

 

[randyzany]

I'm saying that the academies provide the players to Northern clubs very cheaply, which makes Northern clubs consistently good nowadays, and the same Vic teams are always good due to free agents joining them consistently. Players are even willing to pay for less at good teams.

Not sure what the solution is but currently it's not working, which it shows by the same teams always being at the top

Yeah, I do agree that the academy concessions for Qld and NSW should definitely be scaled back. It's getting out of hand and the majority of clubs should get together and force the AFL to do just that.

So your solution is a WORSE situation than we have now where we pay and you get our players, but now we should pay more you get our players and then we trade for them on the way back, paying exorbitant trade cost too?

Sounds great, where do we sign?

It's a suggestion to claims that WA talent is lagging behind Vic. WA clubs best bet is not to rely on convincing Vic talent to stay but attract native WA talent back. And the more quality WA youth is out there the best chance that WA clubs can entice them back and improve their teams.

WA clubs are always whinging that Vic boys are mamma's boys and if that's the case then aren't Vic clubs paying an exorbitant TRADE cost to do so? You're using circular logic to cry victim here.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Yeah, I do agree that the academy concessions for Qld and NSW should definitely be scaled back. It's getting out of hand and the majority of clubs should get together and force the AFL to do just that.




It's a suggestion to claims that WA talent is lagging behind Vic. WA clubs best bet is not to rely on convincing Vic talent to stay but attract native WA talent back. And the more quality WA youth is out there the best chance that WA clubs can entice them back and improve their teams.

WA clubs are always whinging that Vic boys are mamma's boys and if that's the case then aren't Vic clubs paying an exorbitant TRADE cost to do so? You're using circular logic to cry victim here.

There's more Vic players so more chance they will want to join. Also it must be noted that many players don't want to return to WA especially if drafted by Vic team. Look at Lance Franklin - he was from WA and rather join Sydney than return to WA

 

[WillHayward]

Free agency is helping Vic teams and academies helping nsw/qld teams. Sa/wa teams being completely screwed over

Id be worrying less about the rules and more asking why the WA player draftee numbers are down?

 

[randyzany]

There's more Vic players so more chance they will want to join. Also it must be noted that many players don't want to return to WA especially if drafted by Vic team. Look at Lance Franklin - he was from WA and rather join Sydney than return to WA

Good luck with convincing the AFL to give WA clubs first dibs exclusive access to WA talent then. I don't think it's ever gonna happen in a traditional footy state but stranger things have happened.

 

[WillHayward]

Yeah, I do agree that the academy concessions for Qld and NSW should definitely be scaled back. It's getting out of hand and the majority of clubs should get together and force the AFL to do just that.




It's a suggestion to claims that WA talent is lagging behind Vic. WA clubs best bet is not to rely on convincing Vic talent to stay but attract native WA talent back. And the more quality WA youth is out there the best chance that WA clubs can entice them back and improve their teams.

WA clubs are always whinging that Vic boys are mamma's boys and if that's the case then aren't Vic clubs paying an exorbitant TRADE cost to do so? You're using circular logic to cry victim here.

You're missing the bigger picture though.

The primary objective of northern academies isn't equalisation, it's to grow the overall talent pool.

This is absolutely critical when you consider the taken pool in Melbourne Metro area is shrinking.