Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[Sam The Doc]

Flanders is as one paced as the lot of them

Terrible name also

 

[ferrisb]

Anyone else pissed off about the lack of ITK rumours? Ive got nothing else to do apart from talk to my wife now.

You're definitely not in an emo band...

 

[Juddrockz]

 

[ferrisb]

Is Humphrey going to end up as a mid-fwd or a fwd-mid?

 

[CJMB]

... Because McGovern is likely gone, Haynes is a year older, and HOF is injured?

It kind of doesn’t change that if he stayed we were still likely going to need to cover/replace him for about half the season anyway.

And yeah, not disagreeing with the 3 names although I’d go further and say Gov isn’t a tall defender.

 

[BlueTongue]

It kind of doesn’t change that if he stayed we were still likely going to need to cover/replace him for about half the season anyway.

And yeah, not disagreeing with the 3 names although I’d go further and say Gov isn’t a tall defender.

I get JSOS wasn't there for a lot of the time so we had to cover him, I guess my point is that he was our best option as a KPD after Weiters. Now we have no real KPD options apart from Weiters, and Young who battles hard but struggles to hold a spot.

Someone suggested Cowan at CHB, which at first glance I didn't consider realistic, but the more I think about it the more I think he might be worth trying there.

 

[Coona Blues]

Is Humphrey going to end up as a mid-fwd or a fwd-mid?

Has the scope to go either way. As a more offensive, burst type and given our balance, both now and projected, I would suggest forward/mid with the scope to vary when/if required.

Big midfield minutes tends to blunt burst for most.

 

[Blue By Blood]

I get JSOS wasn't there for a lot of the time so we had to cover him, I guess my point is that he was our best option as a KPD after Weiters. Now we have no real KPD options apart from Weiters, and Young who battles hard but struggles to hold a spot.

Someone suggested Cowan at CHB, which at first glance I didn't consider realistic, but the more I think about it the more I think he might be worth trying there.

I wouldn't play Cowan at CHB. He's listed as 188cm so give or take a few cm either way. He's competitive but would be monstered by key forwards.

I think we should be looking to get Cowan more attacking rather than putting him into a role that stifles any attacking nature he has. Can't fault his competitive nature but as a junior he played with more attacking flair and we need to bring that out in him.

You're absolutely right though that we will have to pick up a ready made KPD. We are wafer thin there as it is. Haynes is an interceptor and even had some wing time. Gov id an interceptor and possibly gone. HOF gone for the season. Weiters and Young is all we have. We need a stop gap for a year or two to allow HOF and Dean to develop.

 

[GT619]

Turns out he played for both:

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it was good while it lasted

 

[Michael Jezz]

You didn’t get the memo Jezz? It was established Flanders is from Fish Creek a few posts back..

Humphrey is our Man from Moe.

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When jt is too good to be true....Humphrey's number on the back stuff...so I hope you are right

 

[Hands On]

Can any eagle eyed fans spot him in the crowd?

 

[TENACIOUS]

Moe has definitely come up in the world then. When I was growing up, Moe was short for moccasins on everybody and we compared them to Tasmanians as they were all related…

Generational Moe, local mayor Mr Sloth said “Hey you guys! Moe is a great family town”

 

[GT619]

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can he talk

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Is Humphrey going to end up as a mid-fwd or a fwd-mid?

He's going to end up a funny old fellow who gets in all manner of strife.

 

[AT97]

Every time I read Moe I can’t get this out of my head.

 

[Jabba73]

Have we conceded Charlie is leaving or are we still in the "not trading ever" camp?

Need to prepare myself either way.

 

[Jimmae]

So we trade a 29 year old star with selective effort and knee issues for a 21 year old thought by plenty to be the next iteration of Dusty and demand more in a blind desire to win the trade.

Charlie forcing an exit evokes the need to ream a suitor, but I don’t think we need much, if any in the way of steak knives. Maybe a third rounder this year or next to assist with trades or points to help with bids at a pinch. The Suns need their draft capital to match bids. Letting go of a young gun may help keep the AFL from invoking a first round look out for academy and father son picks.

Steady on... Dusty was a speed and endurance freak long before he built himself into a brick shithouse and started resting forward.

He was up and about for Richmond in the clearances from day dot, and a goal a game mid from game 12 onwards. Humphrey is tough, and throws everything into his efforts on goal, but he is not Dusty.

There's some blokes in the top 15 of the draft who fit the bill better, and I'd rather picks for Curnow to make that happen instead of turning him into one player.

 

[Manhattanite]

Having watched a LOT of Sydney games over. the past few seasons, all I can say is that even if they traded one of Gulden or Warner for Charlie they would still come out with a net improvement in their starting 22.

Put simply - and crassly - their current stock of tall forwards are simply no good. As in, barely AFL quality.
Amarty - at best, solid support.
McLean - more effective as back up ruck
McDonald - underwhelming when able to get on the park.

And more importantly, none seem to have the desire to stwp up and be the number one banana. That role is left to Heeney more often than not. If Sydney's midfield don't kick goals then it's all on their medium forwards. Too much is left to too few.

The improvement they would see by bringing in Charlie would be immediate and impactful. Even at the cost of losing Gulden or Warner, whose roles can be replaced from someone already on their list, albeit with less talent than either.

Question is whether Cox is crazy/brave enough to back in the Bloods culture to address a glaring weakness in their team at the expense of a position they have depth in. Would be a hard sell, but as Sydney know, success sells.

The smart move for the Swans is to trade Warner to the Eagles for Pick 2 and more - and then send Pick 2 and their first rounder to us so that we can get Butters. A trade like that would keep all four clubs involved happy and Warner and Butters head home and Charlie to a club he wants to go to.

Likewise the smart play for the Suns is to give up their two Victorians who are dispensable in Flanders and Humphrey and throw in a pick upgrade (their pick 6 for our pick 10ish) and they get Charlie. If we add two best ten players to our list and also move up so that we can get in one more top 6 talent before we pick up Dean then we would have done very well. Likewise the Suns will get better plus they have so much local talent coming through they can cover Humphrey and Flanders. Such a deal would value Charlie as a Pick 2 if we value Humphrey and Flanders each at about Pick 15.

 

[sweethoney]

The smart move for the Swans is to trade Warner to the Eagles for Pick 2 and more - and then send Pick 2 and their first rounder to us so that we can get Butters. A trade like that would keep all four clubs involved happy and Warner and Butters head home and Charlie to a club he wants to go to.

Likewise the smart play for the Suns is to give up their two Victorians who are dispensable in Flanders and Humphrey and throw in a pick upgrade (their pick 6 for our pick 10ish) and they get Charlie. If we add two best ten players to our list and also move up so that we can get in one more top 6 talent before we pick up Dean then we would have done very well. Likewise the Suns will get better plus they have so much local talent coming through they can cover Humphrey and Flanders. Such a deal would value Charlie as a Pick 2 if we value Humphrey and Flanders each at about Pick 15.

Watching Warner on Lou’s handball yesterday. Don’t think he’s leaving Sydney especially if Charlie ends up there

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

There’s 6 or 7 Geelong players I’d consider in a trade deal for Charlie. Collingwood less so, especially as it would be extremely unlikely that they would consider including either Daicos brothers in a trade.

Name them.... they're not all A graders...

And not in Charlie's stratosphere...

 

[jimsta10]

Charlie and his management team are like kids out of their depth. It wouldn't surprise me that we end up not trading him.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Name them.... they're not all A graders...

And not in Charlie's stratosphere...

Holmes, SDK, O’Sullivan, Miers, Neale and Dempsey could form part of a deal for Charlie with draft picks also involved.

There’s also Cameron and Smith but it’s not remotely realistic either would be included.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Unless a player requests a trade or a club is moving into a rebuild phase, still unlikely with most well run organisations, like Sydney, clubs won’t give up top 18 players. All clubs want to add and improve their list. Trading a top 18 for a top 18 doesn’t achieve the improvement. We need to forget that!

The choice for us will be to either accept picks, a player(s) not in the 18 or a player from another club requesting a trade in a multi club trade.

Let’s hope we stand firm on our requirement and don’t trade Charlie for the sake of trading. That would be a terrible outcome for us.

 

[Jimmae]

The smart move for the Swans is to trade Warner to the Eagles for Pick 2 and more - and then send Pick 2 and their first rounder to us so that we can get Butters. A trade like that would keep all four clubs involved happy and Warner and Butters head home and Charlie to a club he wants to go to.

Likewise the smart play for the Suns is to give up their two Victorians who are dispensable in Flanders and Humphrey and throw in a pick upgrade (their pick 6 for our pick 10ish) and they get Charlie. If we add two best ten players to our list and also move up so that we can get in one more top 6 talent before we pick up Dean then we would have done very well. Likewise the Suns will get better plus they have so much local talent coming through they can cover Humphrey and Flanders. Such a deal would value Charlie as a Pick 2 if we value Humphrey and Flanders each at about Pick 15.

I like most of your valuations, but not the end results.

I would rather keep the picks from such a Sydney deal than opt for Butters, and I'd be moving on Motlop if the GC deal went through, but I'd want more than an upgrade from 10 to 7 (doesn't suit Gold Coast to do that either).

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If that’s the internal feeling at the club of where we are at then it’s a long road back because using that metric by the time the kids are ready the mature age talent will be all gone and we’re scr3w3d all over again

Don't worry too much about that, when the kids start maturing, we can add mature age talent, just like Brisbane did with Hodge, Gunston, Neale, Robinson, Daniher etc.