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Matthew Lloyd's Top 30
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Clearly has a bent towards key position players which is fair enough
Carey is a good no 1 nom
Carey is a good no 1 nom
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GAJ too low
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LeeCarvallo
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GAJ top 3 all time no question
Football's biggest travesty was him wasting those years on the Gold Coast. Now this next bit makes me vomit, but imagine his legacy (in football output terms) if he rolled over to Hawthorn or Richmond instead for those dynasties after Geelong (or simply stayed a Cat and they won a couple more flags).
His level was incredible 2011-2014 but it cooked his body carrying the hopeless Suns. I think his peak would've lasted a few more years at a proper club. Probably moving to a forward-mid destroyer like Dusty 2014-2019.
His 2nd stint at the Cats he had some nice seasons but the body was only just hanging on.
Lunchtime
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The only thing I can say is that it was his choice to leave - he wanted to chase the big money. Interesting that Ablett Jnr, Judd and Franklin all left their first clubs. Martin stayed put, there were offers from Adelaide and North Melbourne in the $1.6 mil to $1.7mil range, he chose to stay at Richmond for $1.1 mil or $1.2 mil from memory.
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Definitely lost the plot there in the Fletcher, Johnson, Betts section.
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Oh ok I thought it was Nathan Brown's opinion.
No I agree that he made his own bed in that regard. He also fell out with Bomber and was burnt out being the son of God in a small bubble. He wanted to leave and raise more money for those at home. Understandable.
I'm talking not even as a Geelong supporter but in purist football terms. That's why I mentioned Richmond and Hawthorn.
At least Buddy went to a competitive club fighting for flags and playing finals every year.
Judd's talent was wasted at Carlton but they still became a competitive club. Gold Coast were a joke - it's be like going to West Coast 2 years ago or something.
Anyway people still rate GAJ incredibly highly, I just think at a relevant club for those 7 years would see even more recognition.
Wanganeen should be higher than that.
The guy was a champion half back flanker who booted over 200 goals and to illustrate it was no fluke, he went over to Port Adelaide and got the club running as captain.
Brave as they come and more importantly, a big game performer. Instrumental in finally delivering a premiership to Port Adelaide.
And sorry, Martin at four is absurd. His peak was brief. Brilliant finals player but hardly that much better than Darren Jarman who did just as much damage in finals and state of origin footy. A better all-round talent and if ever a player could be tagged as single-handedly winning a flag of his own boot, it was him. On two separate occasions mind you.
The guy was a champion half back flanker who booted over 200 goals and to illustrate it was no fluke, he went over to Port Adelaide and got the club running as captain.
Brave as they come and more importantly, a big game performer. Instrumental in finally delivering a premiership to Port Adelaide.
And sorry, Martin at four is absurd. His peak was brief. Brilliant finals player but hardly that much better than Darren Jarman who did just as much damage in finals and state of origin footy. A better all-round talent and if ever a player could be tagged as single-handedly winning a flag of his own boot, it was him. On two separate occasions mind you.
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I always said that but plenty disagreed… those GC years put an enormous dent in his career. He should’ve been playing finals and big games in his prime, instead he was racking up meaningless possessions in huge losses.
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He had a win percentage of 32 per cent at the Suns. A start up club where he was, aside from 5-6 journeymen with no real pedigree, the only established player on the list.
Lockett had a win percentage of 37 per cent at St Kilda. A foundation club alongside established players including a dual Brownlow medalist in Harvey, players like Frawley, Loewe, Winmar, Burke.
Does that make his goals and achievements meaningless for the 12 seasons he spent there largely getting belted and playing 3 finals matches?
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Don't judge anyone's situation. You haven't been in their shoes. It displays a real lack of class if you do. There was a lot going on in Ablett's life during his football career that motivated all of his decisions.
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Yeah he should have chosen not to prop up his future and family
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Carey has always been overrated - not that he isn't among the best. He certainly is.
But he has become this strange purity test. Every flog seems to think that if he isn't listed as number 1, then their own football knowledge will be called into question. And I will be savaged for that opinion accordingly.
Stats are not everything. But they do matter. And his stats in no way justify quite the level of wank he gets.
Also Scarlett over SOS is another clown take. Not the same level of footballer - you think Scarlett kicks 200 goals on top of being the best defender in the league?
But he has become this strange purity test. Every flog seems to think that if he isn't listed as number 1, then their own football knowledge will be called into question. And I will be savaged for that opinion accordingly.
Stats are not everything. But they do matter. And his stats in no way justify quite the level of wank he gets.
Also Scarlett over SOS is another clown take. Not the same level of footballer - you think Scarlett kicks 200 goals on top of being the best defender in the league?
But I already raised that point in terms of us footy nuffies and what we care about.
Your previous comment passed judgement on Ablett the man himself and the decision he made in his personal life with the "should have done this". That's a bridge too far and seriously lacks class.
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You think Silvagni was a multi-faceted ‘attacking’ defender running off the backline? Lloyd did play on both of them at the very least. Ok Silvagni had that versatility but he also had the opportunity to do it. If Scarlett got chucked forward for a period who knows what he would have done. Doubtful he would have been as good a forward as Silvagni was when he spent time there but no one will know, will they. I doubt Silvagni would have been the attacking weapon off the backline that Scarlett was. But he also never got that chance either.
