2025 Brownlow Medal

[iBeng]

Im sure he'll at least have a crack at the Norm!

Oh wait, shit, sorry OP

 

[Boohemian]

"Spiral out". Handle checks out.

 

[delta_magpie]

Will is the one with Norm Smith and a chance at another this week yeah?

LOL Isaac Smith won a normie and played in plenty of premierships... are u saying hes better than all of them?

 

[delta_magpie]

on the plus side... none of the umpires from that shocking Melbourne v St kilda game were in the prelim so guaranteed to not be in the GF to ruin it

 

[Silky23]

As a Collingwood fan, I am stoked for Rowell, he’s a gun footballer, and arguably he had a better year than Daicos, whom I thought was not as good as last year.

The only issue I have is Rowell polling in those early games for 3’s, when Noah was dominating games and not earning any. That’s my big question mark. At one point Rowell had 20 votes to Noah’s 2, you can’t tell me after Rd 10 that Rowell was so much more influential to that point in the year than his teammate.

In terms of Rowell, best and fairest player for sure, love watching him and so down to earth.

Wonder if it will be the norm now for big inside mids to claim the Brownlow more and more? Always in the face of the umps and have to look at the last few winners - all primarily contested beasts. The inside/outside media darlings don’t seem to poll as often it seems.

 

[madrigal]

So why do you not lay the favourite on Betfair and make loads of money?

 

[joe444]

I would help enlighten those that are seeking answers ... Humans are easily manipulated and extremely lazy ... you see these, witness everything put in front of you ... and not ask any questions ... proving my point above ... ignorant and low IQ people ... ignorant and low IQ people ... controlled ... the evidence ... this is the game they play ... watch as the AI bots and human bots come in ...

I'll try not to add to your burdens, but do try to spend a moment wondering if you're actually the one who is wrong.

As cool as the movie was and is, The Matrix has done so much damage.

 

[Mr Meow]

My interest in the Brownlow is minimal these days, good luck to Matt Rowell for winning the great mid fielder award of the 21st century. No doubt he is a worthy winner, however some of his 3 vote performances were suspect, but the Umpires are not really going to vote for anyone else other than a midfielder.
With my team in the Grand Final this week i wonder why I'm extremely concerned that a player like Tom Stewart is not playing instead of Max Holmes or Bailey Smith?
The game isn't always about midfielders!

Remember when you wanted Smith banned a week ago and then he was 2nd BOG in a prelim.

 

[RAPPA]

The more you blow smoke up someone’s arse, the harder the fall feels.

 

[AFaiL]

With 4 umpires on the ground they are only focussed on 1/4 of the ground each, how can they then possibly be expected to judge who was the best and fairest play on the field. They have far bigger priorities when trying officiate than working out who played best.

In a past life I umpired at senior suburban level and would walk of the ground most games with absolutely no idea who was the best player on the ground and would inevitably guess or just pick the usual suspect best midfielder.. I used to tell my mates who played, the easiest way to get votes is to run around calling out your own name.

Which is exactly why inside mids keep winning. Game is stopped, and umpires can see those first possessions or repeat stoppages and see who is on bottom of packs.

 

[joe444]

So why do you not lay the favourite on Betfair and make loads of money?

Or simply back the midfielder with over 26+ possessions who leads the free kick count at a top 10 club? Won 4 of the last 5.

 

[bzparkes]

Oh, another offended Collingwood fan.

Don't worry chief, just a few more 1-2s with his brother and he'll get there.

 

[Lunchtime]

Taranto 20 votes is just plain stupid

He starred in all of Richmond's 5 wins and in a weak team...no one was taking votes away from him.

Its how the Brownlow votes go sometimes. Priddis comes to mind and he won it (2014).

 

[Skinnyfwdpocket]

Yes, the umpires are bound to get a few games wrong, especially with 4 of them.

But I think it's refreshing to see impact players getting the votes, just because you have the most disposals doesn't instantly mean you are the best on ground. People love to go back to the game's stats during the Brownlow and just read purely disposals and think someone was robbed. Rowell doesnt need to have 35 disposals to rip a game apart, watch him live bursting out of stoppage and you can see why he caught the umpires eye.

 

[bzparkes]

"Spiral out". Handle checks out.

Soon to be 'Downward Spiral'

 

[Spiral_Out]

Oh, another offended Collingwood fan.

Don't worry chief, just a few more 1-2s with his brother and he'll get there.

Yeah I knew the human bots would latch onto the fact my profile shows I'm a Collingwood supporter.

All good mate, keep trying and one day you'll do something with you life and be remembered for greatness.

 

[Spiral_Out]

Soon to be 'Downward Spiral'

Keep em comin, I'm close to the edge!

 

[The Gtrain]

Given how closely AFL and gambling companies are intertwined, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the AFL 'encouraged' these sorts of unexpected outsider outcomes. Everyone loads up their $$$ on The Usual Suspects, so when the outsider wins, the betting companies pocket all the money and don't need to pay out much.

It was interesting how the entire AFL media was talking up Daicos, Smith, Dawson, Anderson etc....there was barely any mention of Rowell at all.

Hardly an outsider averages more contested possessions, more centre clearances, more total clearances, more tackles, better disposal efficiency, much higher player rating. I think he was 2nd in the betting maybe a month ago..

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah I knew the human bots would latch onto the fact my profile shows I'm a Collingwood supporter.

All good mate, keep trying and one day you'll do something with you life and be remembered for greatness.

Enjoying your tears, tbh.

Very funny.

Is this Craig McRae's BF account?

 

[dmc333]

My theory is umps do a lot of their votes at half time and 3qt, and at 3qt they wouldn't have even thought of Nas as the margin was so big. And then when they convened post match they would've just thought Nas had a great last qtr but didn't play a full game. Definitely the biggest non 3 I've ever seen.

Viney had 15 or 16 tackles and he was paid 5 frees. That probably feeds into it. He was under their nose all day.

I've got no problem with the umpires voting on it, it's an umpire's award, BUT the boundary and goal umpires being excluded cuts out another perspective that would be valuable and not totally focused on midfielders.

 

[kickazz]

I've got no problem with the umpires voting on it, it's an umpire's award, BUT the boundary and goal umpires being excluded cuts out another perspective that would be valuable and not totally focused on midfielders.

this.

I think it would be great to include them. Thing is, we'd get a lot of cooks in the kitchen then so consensus might be a bit hard.

Not to worry - perhaps they can all do their own votes and a formula can be applied to come up with a number of votes for say 3-5 players each game that get read out on the night.

I still like the Brownlow, but we need to have rucks, forwards, defenders still some sort of chance. And I'm getting tired of these HUGE totals.

 

[dropbear101]

Just come to say thankyou to whoever did the freo count and had brayshaw taking it over serong

made me go down a rabbit hole of if serong gets fkd - how much could brayshaw overpoll - similar to the rowell> anderson shafting

ended up taking brayshaw for top 5 @140s+ and rowell winner overall amongst a few other things and come out just shy of 2.5k on brayshaw alone

brayshaw has been just as good as serong this year.

Also brayshaw has evolved his game to be more impactful. before brayshaw was this great 2 way running mid who accumulated a lot. Because serong was getting tagged freo needed someone to cause damage so teams risked a lot by tagging serong.
hence brayshaws score involvements going from 4.5 -> 6.71 this year. which is actually very impressive for a player who doesn't rest in the forward 50.
luke jackson at 6.
serong is 5.92
shai bolton is at 6.92

freo are a low scoring defensive side if you guys can't tell. So brayshaw getting more votes may have been very reflective of what the umpires saw. when freo were winning. brayshaw was often right in the thick of it.

Given the introduction or re-introduction of hayden young. Brayshaw would actually be a good bet/multi for the top 5 again next year (not winner as having 2 people steal votes is a bit much). Hes a gun and hes getting the 3rd best defender.

 

[bzparkes]

I like how people say to take the voting off the umpires and give it to a panel or something, yet everyone loses their mind over the AA team every year.

The Brownlow is probably the 'purest' award for the simple fact that umpires vote on who they thought was the best, without the benefit of stats.

Best for them probably translates to most impact for 4 quarters, simply from being on the ground.

Whilst I agree the NWM 2 votes appeared a howler, maybe the umps did think Viney had the most impact across the entirety of the game and chose to give him the 3 votes over a mostly 1 quarter effort, as good as it was.

 

[Cam Payne]

I hope Matt gets a chance to enjoy his win before the rapture happens tonight.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

I like how people say to take the voting off the umpires and give it to a panel or something, yet everyone loses their mind over the AA team every year.

The Brownlow is probably the 'purest' award for the simple fact that umpires vote on who they thought was the best, without the benefit of stats.

Best for them probably translates to most impact for 4 quarters, simply from being on the ground.

Whilst I agree the NWM 2 votes appeared a howler, maybe the umps did think Viney had the most impact across the entirety of the game and chose to give him the 3 votes over a mostly 1 quarter effort, as good as it was.

Q1: 8 disposals 1 goal
Q2: 5 disposals 1 behind
Q3: 11 disposals 1 goal
Q4: 10 disposals 2 goals and 6 score involvements to carry his team to the biggest 3/4 time comeback in VFL/AFL history

There is no case for Viney getting the three, even without the benefit of stats in retrospect. I watched that game live, Viney was tackling everyone but it wasn't THAT impressive to the eye.