Brownlow 2025 Brownlow Medal Discussion

[manicpie]

Nick could end up getting the most votes in Brownlow history and yet not win it if these super voters like Cripps and Rowell keep popping up

 

[sr36]

Just woke up and saw the result, perfect example of why I don’t watch it any more

A shit show from start to end with zero credibility!

Any guy who continuously comes second or third ( when they should have won at least 2 by now ) is clearly the best in the game

I like the Brownlow. It's the same blokes up the top in all the awards just a slightly different order. The thing I like about the Brownlow is based on my theory that the blokes who poll higher in it than other awards - which includes Nick - are the ones who the umpires have to watch the most as they're the ones who cop the most scragging around stoppage. I think there's a factor that there's a bit of reward for being the most heavily defended players and the reality that that makes it harder to influence but also that drawing all that defensive focus is a really valueable contribution in itself that makes your team better.

 

[gouki88]

Nick could end up getting the most votes in Brownlow history and yet not win it if these super voters like Cripps and Rowell keep popping up

His current rate of votes per H&A game is about 1.24 if my maths is right. Wouldn’t take him very long at that clip to overtake GAJ for most ever

 

[Pbft]

Nick robbed again.

Hey all - absolutely come with no intent to agitate.

I watch a lot of the pies games as the missus is a one eyed pie and as such, I see a lot of the Daicos boys. No denying each has great skill and talent. What annoys me, and it is in no way the boys fault, is the medias insane compulsion to show the old man every five minutes.

Peter had his day, and was a great, but FFS let the boys forge their own career.

In regards to the voting, The NRL model works really well - not saying it isn't open to corruption though nor the perfect model.

Key points for those who may not know how it works

(1). Two independent judges vote on a 3-2-1 basis and players able to earn a maximum of six votes per game.
(2). The judges are selected from a select pool of former players assigned to the role for the season and submit their votes to the NRL.
(3). Unlike last nights Brownlow, it adds more excitement to the final count – a player five points behind in the final round of the regular season could still overtake the leader by earning maximum votes.

The NRL collates the votes and maintains the leaderboard, both of which are made public and updated on NRL.com every Monday morning up to and including Round 12.

From Round 13, voting goes ‘behind closed doors’ for the remainder of the regular season with anticipation building towards the announcement of the winner at the Dally M Awards.

Sure, it would potentially mean the winner could have 60-70 votes but what does that matter?

Anyways, good luck for next year (will keep the missus happy!!)

 

[Magnanimous]

AFL is cooked

 

[Hotpiescoldbeers]

Nick could end up getting the most votes in Brownlow history and yet not win it if these super voters like Cripps and Rowell keep popping up

He's got 109 votes in 4 years while pendles has 225 in 20 years. By the time next season starts there will only be 15 players in the league with more votes than daicos . Crazy stats

 

[manicpie]

AFL is cooked

The equalisation is really working. The 2 GF sides this year will add Curnow and Worpel to Geelong and probably more and Brissy will add Draper, Allen and ridley and the potential number 1 pick in this year's draft.

 

[SouthernPie]

Apologies about not inserting the quote of the Saints supporter above. (The function doesn't seem to be working on my phone).
Your contribution got me thinking. How many team sports world wide award a league Best player? Perhaps the AFL needs to assemble an investigative team to come up with a "best practice" model, because the one we've got now sure has too many holes in it.

 

[sideswipe]

I like the Brownlow. It's the same blokes up the top in all the awards just a slightly different order. The thing I like about the Brownlow is based on my theory that the blokes who poll higher in it than other awards - which includes Nick - are the ones who the umpires have to watch the most as they're the ones who cop the most scragging around stoppage. I think there's a factor that there's a bit of reward for being the most heavily defended players and the reality that that makes it harder to influence but also that drawing all that defensive focus is a really valueable contribution in itself that makes your team better.

Dunno if I agree with your reward theory, but I do agree that the Brownlow typically gets it as right as any of the other awards

 

[sr36]

Dunno if I agree with your reward theory, but I do agree that the Brownlow typically gets it as right as any of the other awards

It's probably a crock of shit theory, but I think it holds with recent Brownlow results and who gets more or less votes in the brownlow than the other similar awards.

My theory isn't that it's an intentional reward - it's that the blokes who poll a bit higher in the Brownlow than other awards are the ones that get scragged the most around stoppage - guys like Neale and Cripps in their Brownlow years and Daicos, and Rowell - as they're really dangerous at stoppage and thus the umpires would have to watch their contests more closely - thus they're more memorable at the end of the game. More Brownlow votes being a reward for drawing defensive attention being a by-product of that.

 

[sideswipe]

It's probably a crock of shit theory, but I think it holds with recent Brownlow results and who gets more or less votes in the brownlow than the other similar awards.

My theory isn't that it's an intentional reward - it's that the blokes who poll a bit higher in the Brownlow than other awards are the ones that get scragged the most around stoppage - guys like Neale and Cripps in their Brownlow years and Daicos, and Rowell - as they're really dangerous at stoppage and thus the umpires would have to watch their contests more closely - thus they're more memorable at the end of the game. More Brownlow votes being a reward for drawing defensive attention being a by-product of that.

And because Peak Pendlebury was able to slow time and never be touched by the opposition, the scumps didn't see him, thus no Brownlow?

You might be onto something.

 

[Gabbo64]

Umpires lot.

36 players on the field at once all trying to get their hands on the pill. The crowd screaming, yelling and appealing for free kicks. The players screaming, yelling and appealing for free kicks. Every decission open to interpretation. Players deliberately feigning free kicks. All over 4 quarters totalling 2 hours. Trying to be impartial. 2 minutes to go and the game could go either way. The pressure is now off the scale. Final siren sounds. The game is over. **** me what the hell just happened? Did I get it right or did I feck up. I think I did an OK job, but every one else thinks I'm a can't. I am totally shot.
What? You want me to judge the best and fairest on the ground in order of 1, 2, 3? Geez, I rember that Rowell bloke bursting throug the centre with ball. That was pretty impressive. But I'll just check the stats and watch the replay before i make my decission. What the feck? No reply? No stats?
Feck it. 3 votes to Rowell.

 

[DinoSoar]

Let’s face it, Nick will never win it as the process is inherently flawed and too easily influenced by outside noise. The fact that only midfielders can win it for the last 15 years says it all really.

 

[sideswipe]

Let’s face it, Nick will never win it as the process is inherently flawed and too easily influenced by outside noise. The fact that only midfielders can win it for the last 15 years says it all really.

Wot? That he has almost won it three times now says he is very likely to win one or more(although this thinking didn't pan out for Greg Norman and the Masters). Midfielders rightly win it - generally speaking, they are the best players in the comp and their position is the most influential on team success in the modern era.

 

[Sea fog]

He may win it with more tackles or contested stats. The umpires seem to value them and they must have high visibility around the umpires which Rowell invariably does.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

He may win it with more tackles or contested stats. The umpires seem to value them and they must have high visibility around the umpires which Rowell invariably does.

Tackles and being tackled. I am sure the umpires are influenced by who hands them the ball. Cripps and Rowell are often tackled and return the football to the umpire. Nick needs to become less evasive, accept the tackle and hand the ball to the umpire.

 

[76woodenspooners]

You're all over thinking it, ** the Brownlow. And we're not bringing in a fifth umpire to give Brownlow votes, that would like bringing in whoever the ** the E Safety Commissioner is and making them an instant expert

Oh, we’ve moved on from a fifth umpire. We’re gunna get a committee of umpires to do it - I think 9 would be a good number to ensure representation and a tie breaker (ex-player, ex-coach, representation of members and fans of both participating clubs, maybe put a magistrate on there to guide the process and ensure good governance).

Ps. Nobody is seriously suggesting we have a fifth umpire for this

 

[Kes1984]

can we all stop rating this award?

Coaches is number 1
Players association number 2
AA nomination is even tainted now, but that is even ahead of the Brownlow
Brownlow
Club best and fairest

 

[manicpie]

can we all stop rating this award?

Coaches is number 1
Players association number 2
AA nomination is even tainted now, but that is even ahead of the Brownlow
Brownlow
Club best and fairest

I rate Nick above the award

 

[Pistol Night]

I rate Nick above the award

I rate a participation ribbon at any local school sports day as a more prestigious award now

 

[Axl the great]

Watching last night, just compounded everything for me.
Getting screwed the other night, Hodge and his boyfriend Kane giggling like school kids every time Brisbane scored.Daicos getting screwed again, NAS getting screwed in the best individual game anyone has played this century.
I’m officially over it.
The AFL can get ****ed.
I’m out.

 

[Pistol Night]

Watching last night, just compounded everything for me.
Getting screwed the other night, Hodge and his boyfriend Kane giggling like school kids every time Brisbane scored.Daicos getting screwed again, NAS getting screwed in the best individual game anyone has played this century.
I’m officially over it.
The AFL can get ****ed.
I’m out.

Pissed myself.

 

[Ctracks]

I ain't mad.
Like the Melbourne guys who laughed at Viney getting the 3 votes and not Nasiah W-M.

 

[SouthernPie]

Tackles and being tackled. I am sure the umpires are influenced by who hands them the ball. Cripps and Rowell are often tackled and return the football to the umpire. Nick needs to become less evasive, accept the tackle and hand the ball to the umpire.

So there's suggestions here from you and Sea fog that the players who have the most interactions with the umpires and are in their immediate line of sight get the most votes.
You could well be right! After all, I guess umpires are just human ?
However, it adds up to the most subjective, illogical, unscrupulous method of ascertaining the best player on the field and the inept AFL need to do something about it I reckon!

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Most votes without winning the Brownlow Medal (excludes ineligible players)

1. Nick Daicos (COLL) = 38 votes (2024)
2. Marcus Bontempelli (WB) = 33 votes (2021)
3. Nick Daicos (COLL) = 32 votes (2025)
4. Clayton Oliver (MELB) = 31 votes (2021)
5. Sam Walsh (CARL) = 30 votes (2021)
6. Marcus Bontempelli (WB) = 29 votes (2023)
7. Zak Butters (PA) = 29 votes (2024)
8. Bailey Smith (GEEL) = 29 votes (2025)
9. Peter Matera (WC) = 28 votes (1994)
10. Nick Dal Santo (STK) = 28 votes (2011)