2025 Brownlow Medal

[kickazz]

The Brownlow is probably the 'purest' award for the simple fact that umpires vote on who they thought was the best, without the benefit of stats.

and probably more importantly, the groupthink influence of the media.

 

[Lingsface]

Just come to say thankyou to whoever did the freo count and had brayshaw taking it over serong

made me go down a rabbit hole of if serong gets fkd - how much could brayshaw overpoll - similar to the rowell> anderson shafting

ended up taking brayshaw for top 5 @140s+ and rowell winner overall amongst a few other things and come out just shy of 2.5k on brayshaw alone

Probably less odds than his brother when he didn't even get an invite and finished 3rd.

 

[bzparkes]

Q1: 8 disposals 1 goal
Q2: 5 disposals 1 behind
Q3: 11 disposals 1 goal
Q4: 10 disposals 2 goals and 6 score involvements to carry his team to the biggest 3/4 time comeback in VFL/AFL history

There is no case for Viney getting the three, even without the benefit of stats in retrospect. I watched that game live, Viney was tackling everyone but it wasn't THAT impressive to the eye.

Yes but we're not 6m away from them. Umpires are probably going to always think the players that do best around stoppage are the best players, because that's where the ball is won, which allows the more outside players to capitalise.

Not saying I agree with it but I imagine that's probably how it appears at ground level.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Regarding Wanganeen Milera, the umpires had Viney on top in each of the first 3 quarters.
Stkilds only played one good quarter.
What they didn't do is take into account Wanganeen's impact on the result.
Viney had 16 tackles and the record is 20 tackles, so umps obviously rate tackles.

 

[SC_Power]

this.

I think it would be great to include them. Thing is, we'd get a lot of cooks in the kitchen then so consensus might be a bit hard.

Not to worry - perhaps they can all do their own votes and a formula can be applied to come up with a number of votes for say 3-5 players each game that get read out on the night.

I still like the Brownlow, but we need to have rucks, forwards, defenders still some sort of chance. And I'm getting tired of these HUGE totals.

There’s always the idea that

• the 4 field umpires provide their best 2 players on the ground for 1 point each,
• the 4 boundary umpires their best single player for 1 point each
• the 2 goal umpires their best 2 forward / defender for 2 and 1 point each.

Top 3 points get the 3-2-1, field umpires decide tie breakers.

Something that puts fwd/def in the umpires conversation.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Yes but we're not 6m away from them. Umpires are probably going to always think the players that do best around stoppage are the best players, because that's where the ball is won, which allows the more outside players to capitalise.

Not saying I agree with it but I imagine that's probably how it appears at ground level.

Yeah I agree with your take as there are some things I've seen Libba, Cripps, Bont and Clayton Oliver do live at the ground that boggle the mind

Imagine what it looks like when you're as close as they are.

Fair point mate!

 

[longdonkey]

Regarding Wanganeen Milera, the umpires had Viney on top in each of the first 3 quarters.
Stkilds only played one good quarter.
What they didn't do is take into account Wanganeen's impact on the result.
Viney had 16 tackles and the record is 20 tackles, so umps obviously rate tackles.

Umpires have always taken more notice of players who are under their noses. Hence why so many inside mids win it. This is nothing new I don't see what the fuss is about. With NWM, I remember the TV commentary saying it will be interesting who gets the 3 on Brownlow night.

 

[carndapies]

Genuinely feel bad for Patrick Cripps

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Patrick Cripps

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

and now Matt Rowell

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Matt Rowell

Age

24

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, you can see the embarrassment on their faces in receiving the Brownlow over the last 2 years knowing Nick "The Goat" Daicos was by far the most deserving.

Cripps and Rowell will probably be hiding those Brownlows in the bottom drawer.

 

[longdonkey]

Genuinely feel bad for Patrick Cripps and now Matt Rowell, you can see the embarrassment on their faces in receiving the Brownlow over the last 2 years knowing Nick "The Goat" Daicos was by far the most deserving.

Cripps and Rowell will probably be hiding those Brownlows in the bottom drawer.

If he never wins one, he'll be at best the 3rd best player to never win a Brownlow.

 

[TheSunGod]

How does Rowell get 3s when neither of the coaches have him a vote??$$

Coaches don’t vote on the Brownlow.

 

[ceebsaf]

When will you Aussies understand you guys have to worst award in world sport?

That last one... with an all time great performance by NWM, just exemplifys the award. A joke.

I don't respect any of the winners of this award, including all the ones at my club.

yea cos all the brownlow winners are gna lose sleep over your respect

 

[PerthBoy86]

If he never wins one, he'll be at best the 3rd best player to never win a Brownlow.

So he'd be better than the likes of Matthews, Ablett Snr, Dunstall, Carey?

 

[RCAB]

Genuinely feel bad for Patrick Cripps and now Matt Rowell, you can see the embarrassment on their faces in receiving the Brownlow over the last 2 years knowing Nick "The Goat" Daicos was by far the most deserving.

Cripps and Rowell will probably be hiding those Brownlows in the bottom drawer.

It's definitely an embarrassing award to win the Dumblow medal, to be respected by your "umpires"

Could you imagine if you went overseas and told other sports professionals you got this medal for receiving the most votes in each game by referees? The look...

 

[Not a mere cat]

Congratulations to Rowell, deserving winner. Daicos had an Ok year but not a stand out. The number of votes to Rowell was surprising but it’s been the pattern for a number of years now. First they stopped giving votes to defenders, then rucks, then forwards and now most votes go to inside mids.

As for the coverage, it was definitely the worst. Sped read through the votes, way too many boring interviews. Hamish was woeful as host but who’s surprised? I was looking at the EPG for ‘Unfiltered’ this week and it states Hamish is the ‘best sports interviewer in Australia’. It stopped me in my tracks. According to who, Kerry stokes or is Rompingwins writing his own bios again?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

 

[Gunf]

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What the **** has the Saints being shit for 3/4s got to do with NAS???

He was great every quarter and went superman in the last to win it.. Clear as day 3 vote game.

(aggression not directed at you)

 

[Lunchtime]

Congratulations to Rowell, deserving winner. Daicos had an Ok year but not a stand out. The number of votes to Rowell was surprising but it’s been the pattern for a number of years now. First they stopped giving votes to defenders, then rucks, then forwards and now most votes go to inside mids.

As for the coverage, it was definitely the worst. Sped read through the votes, way too many boring interviews. Hamish was woeful as host but who’s surprised? I was looking at the EPG for ‘Unfiltered’ this week and it states Hamish is the ‘best sports interviewer in Australia’. It stopped me in my tracks. According to who, Kerry stokes or is Rompingwins writing his own bios again?

Exactly. Rowell was a deserving winner. Daicos had quiet periods throughout the season or had votes taken off him by other Pies players - Josh Daicos was one of them. It happens.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

What the **** has the Saints being shit for 3/4s got to do with NAS???

He was great every quarter and went superman in the last to win it.. Clear as day 3 vote game.

Agreed but Viney had 16 tackles and Melbourne dominated for 3 quarters.
The umps may have a vote after each quarter and Viney may have had an unassailble lead by 3/4 time.
Obviously if that's true it's a bad voting system.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Q1: 8 disposals 1 goal
Q2: 5 disposals 1 behind
Q3: 11 disposals 1 goal
Q4: 10 disposals 2 goals and 6 score involvements to carry his team to the biggest 3/4 time comeback in VFL/AFL history

There is no case for Viney getting the three, even without the benefit of stats in retrospect. I watched that game live, Viney was tackling everyone but it wasn't THAT impressive to the eye.

There's more than disposals and scores and that's you're problem right there. Viney had 16 tackles which also plays a big part. It's very reasonable to suggest Viney was the best player on the ground for majority of that game.

Everyone gets dazzled by disposal numbers, but you need to realize in footy gathering 20 + disposals is a great effort, and depending on what else they imparted on that game with marks, tackles, assists, disposal efficiency etc, the difference between say 24 disposals vs 34 disposals can very easily be negligible in terms of overall impact. Hence why players still manage 3 votes for 17 odd possessions whilst all the supercoach nuffies are up in arms.

Everyone's banging on about Rowells 16 disposals v swans - I was at that game, we were smashing GC until half time. In the second half Rowell absolutely put the team on his back with some of his contested efforts, the game turned in the midfield contest, I thought he was easily BOG without ever having looked at the stats. I'm actually surprised he only managed 16 but that doesn't change anything after seeing his impact on that game first hand.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Umpires have to run 20km make 100's of decisions, police the stand rule and look in 5 places at once.
Voting is not a high priority for them. They are too busy doing their main job.
If you take voting off the umps the award ceases to exist.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

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He needs his namesake that's for sure.

 

[TheSunGod]

Nas 34 and 4 goals, wins the game singlehandedly in the new Miracle on Grass...

2 votes hahah

Ash McGrath got 0 votes in the original.

 

[TheSunGod]

Best and fairest.

Maybe they finally got sick of him screaming at them and trying to umpire the game himself?

Little lippy nippy Nicky.

 

[TheSunGod]

Hamish is insufferable. He's also bad at his job. He just says awkward stuff to the players that doesn't evoke responses

Nepo baby.

 

[Billionaire Panda]

Can’t believe people think Rowell not a deserving winner just about finished the home and away season as the number 1 clearance player in the competition and the number 1 tackler in the competition (might’ve been pipped by Atkins in final round).
A feat literally no one has ever done and probably will never do as it means you’re the best at winning the ball and simultaneously the best at stopping others winning the ball.
Added an outside run game this year as well and took them to a bunch of wins.
One of the most deserving winners we’ve ever had.