Roast The Brownlow has no credibility left

[wcv1475]

Rowell is a great player contested beast who wouldn't want him at a stoppage, look at the results since 2013 after Ablett Jr and inside mids have won it, gone from being a midfielders award to an inside mids award. It is not perfect but maybe in 10 years it will change and it could be a rucks award who knows. I think we have to realise it is not best player in comp necessarily, if it was surely Bont would have had to have won it once not to mention Buddy at his peak.

 

[Madas]

Rowell is a great player contested beast who wouldn't want him at a stoppage, look at the results since 2013 after Ablett Jr and inside mids have won it, gone from being a midfielders award to an inside mids award. It is not perfect but maybe in 10 years it will change and it could be a rucks award who knows. I think we have to realise it is not best player in comp necessarily, if it was surely Bont would have had to have won it once not to mention Buddy at his peak.

The fact the Bont never one won in his prime is further proof it’s a flawed system .

Everyone had the Bont as best in the league in 2023

 

[dinnaz]

Still hating on Woewoeden ?

Its not a perfect system but neither are all the others

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

The thing that makes the Brownlow the most popular award is that the umpires vote on it.
If you take it away from the umpires, the award is dead and meaningless.
There's already a plethora of awards 'experts' vote on.
I'm not bothered by the results, I'm bothered by the way channel 7 tries to monetize it by extending it and packing it with ads and cross promotion.
Plus there is always a deadshit creep hosting it.

 

[RCAB]

The thing that makes the Brownlow the most popular award is that the umpires vote on it.
If you take it away from the umpires, the award is dead and meaningless.
There's already a plethora of awards 'experts' vote on.
I'm not bothered by the results, I'm bothered by the way channel 7 tries to monetize it by extending it and packing it with ads and cross promotion.
Plus there is always a deadshit creep hosting it.

The award is a joke. If you enjoy the Dumblow that's great but it's stupid.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

The award is a joke. If you enjoy the Dumblow that's great but it's stupid.

It's an umpire's award. Their main job isn't giving votes.
I don't watch it, it's unwatchable.
It would he better if it was more low key. They should take it off 7 and let the ABC do it.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Rowell is a great player ..... a no.1 draft pick ..... and a well deserved winner

 

[Rod Stroker]

The fact the Bont never one won in his prime is further proof it’s a flawed system .

Everyone had the Bont as best in the league in 2023

Carey never won in his prime, neither did Matthews, and those 2 are the best ever.

Absolutely pointless award. Who the umpires think is the best player is irrelevant. They get countless decisions wrong every game and then suddenly we're supposed to care about their opinion on who is worthy of their votes. It's pathetic.

 

[Freomaniac]

I don't even care about the actual Brownlow medal night.

It's all about the hot young ladies with the skimpy outfits for me lol.

John Platten shared the Brownlow medal with Tony Lockett

Tony Lockett

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in 1987.

There was a game back in 1987, John Platten got 44 disposals ad somehow didn't get one Brownlow vote that game. I guess the umpires took him for granted.

HairyO , Strapping Young Lad , do you remember that game?

 

[Mr Meow]

Tom Atkins got 3 votes and had 12 more tackles then Rowell for the year

Bizarrely Atkins rarely even gets coaches votes love, which generally the less typical stars performing their role well will get. None for him on the weekend again.

I think he's just told Scott to give them to anybody else.

 

[Tandy]

 

[HairyO]

I don't even care about the actual Brownlow medal night.

It's all about the hot young ladies with the skimpy outfits for me lol.

John Platten shared the Brownlow medal with Tony Lockett in 1987.

There was a game back in 1987, John Platten got 44 disposals ad somehow didn't get one Brownlow vote that game. I guess the umpires took him for granted.

HairyO , Strapping Young Lad , do you remember that game?

I was living in Adelaide then and I think we only got one VFL game a week and minimal highlights.

But the history of the game is littered with examples of players having brilliant games and getting nothing.

The umpires never have to explain themselves. They keep on making baffling decisions.

The big surprise in 1987 was Lockett not getting suspended.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I think people just love complaining.

The umpires perspective in the game is SO DIFFERENT to that of a fan, or coach, or media commentator. Of course they'll come up with different views on who is best.

Umpires are litterally in every stoppage - so of course the players that are great at stoppages are the ones that get their attention and score highly.

The way Rowell plays in clearances is so eye catching. Siimilar to Cripps last year. It's happening right under the umpires nose.

There are a few other reasons the brownlow is losing credibility, and it's not because of bad decisions on who is best on, it is:

• People obsessed with criticising umpires. It's at epic proportions now.
• We are now comparing coaches votes to verify the accuracy of umpire votes. Umpires and coaches have very different perspectives - it is flat out stupid to expect the same outcome. Go and celebrate the coaches votes more if you think it's a better award. No need to complain about the brownlow.
• Social media fuels complaints and outrage. If there is a wrong vote every single footy insta account will focus on that. It will get shared and clicked on much more than anything else. It changes the perceptiion of how credible the award is. If 99% of the votes are 'correct' there will still be a view that it's getting worse because the 'mistakes' will be highlighted.
• Hyper analysis of the (perceived) incorrect awarded votes. Media is fuelling this in a big way.
• Sports betting - people are more emotional when they're not winning the bets they put on for Daicos, etc.
• People are expecting umpires to have a birds-eye view of the game when they're literally in the game. (you can't read the label when you're inside the jar, as they say - and it would be dumb to expect it)
• The amount of coverage of predictions (also fuelled by sports betting) BEFORE the brownlow means people form very strong opinions on how the votes SHOULD go.

Overall it's the coverage, and the general obsession with criticising everything about umpires and the game, that is ruining the credibility. The voting itself doesn't appear to be significantly better or worse than it's ever been. But the respect for it has changed.

 

[campbell]

Carey never won in his prime, neither did Matthews, and those 2 are the best ever.

Absolutely pointless award. Who the umpires think is the best player is irrelevant. They get countless decisions wrong every game and then suddenly we're supposed to care about their opinion on who is worthy of their votes. It's pathetic.

It is tradition.....Part of the culture of the game.

The media and AFL recently, have manufactured other plastic awards.

For frigs sake, leave the Brownlow be.

 

[iameviljez]

Rowell is a great player contested beast who wouldn't want him at a stoppage, look at the results since 2013 after Ablett Jr and inside mids have won it, gone from being a midfielders award to an inside mids award. It is not perfect but maybe in 10 years it will change and it could be a rucks award who knows.

It's worth bearing in mind that the only players who have won the AFLCA award or the AFLPA MVP since then who are not inside mids are Robbie Gray (Coaches', 2014), Gawn (Coaches', 2018), Touk Miller (Coaches', 2022) and Daicos (Coaches', 2024 and AFLPA 2025).

Inside mids usually win, because they are usually the best players in the game.

I think we have to realise it is not best player in comp necessarily, if it was surely Bont would have had to have won it once not to mention Buddy at his peak.

I don't think Buddy has ever been recognised as the best player of any given year by any authority, though.

He's never won the AFLPA or AFLCA award, he never won the Inside Football or The Age award (source: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/newspaper-and-radio-footballer-of-the-year-awards.1285780/). All-time great, but never had that kind of single year where he was the best in the competition.

 

[Rabish Binney]

So everyone is wetting the bed just because Daicos didn't win it.

Brownlow controversy has been around for years. It's nothing new.

 

[Seeds]

So everyone is wetting the bed just because Daicos didn't win it.

Brownlow controversy has been around for years. It's nothing new.

So its been around for years and then you state its only cos daicos didnt win it. Which is it? Around for years or a one off thing?

 

[Seeds]

It is tradition.....Part of the culture of the game.

The media and AFL recently, have manufactured other plastic awards.

For frigs sake, leave the Brownlow be.

Its a tradition to have stupid awards? Tradition is never an argument to justify anything. If tradition is the only argument for then it needs to be dumped.

 

[Seeds]

I think people just love complaining.

The umpires perspective in the game is SO DIFFERENT to that of a fan, or coach, or media commentator. Of course they'll come up with different views on who is best.

Umpires are litterally in every stoppage - so of course the players that are great at stoppages are the ones that get their attention and score highly.

The way Rowell plays in clearances is so eye catching. Siimilar to Cripps last year. It's happening right under the umpires nose.

There are a few other reasons the brownlow is losing credibility, and it's not because of bad decisions on who is best on, it is:

• People obsessed with criticising umpires. It's at epic proportions now.
• We are now comparing coaches votes to verify the accuracy of umpire votes. Umpires and coaches have very different perspectives - it is flat out stupid to expect the same outcome. Go and celebrate the coaches votes more if you think it's a better award. No need to complain about the brownlow.
• Social media fuels complaints and outrage. If there is a wrong vote every single footy insta account will focus on that. It will get shared and clicked on much more than anything else. It changes the perceptiion of how credible the award is. If 99% of the votes are 'correct' there will still be a view that it's getting worse because the 'mistakes' will be highlighted.
• Hyper analysis of the (perceived) incorrect awarded votes. Media is fuelling this in a big way.
• Sports betting - people are more emotional when they're not winning the bets they put on for Daicos, etc.
• People are expecting umpires to have a birds-eye view of the game when they're literally in the game. (you can't read the label when you're inside the jar, as they say - and it would be dumb to expect it)
• The amount of coverage of predictions (also fuelled by sports betting) BEFORE the brownlow means people form very strong opinions on how the votes SHOULD go.

Overall it's the coverage, and the general obsession with criticising everything about umpires and the game, that is ruining the credibility. The voting itself doesn't appear to be significantly better or worse than it's ever been. But the respect for it has changed.

There were games where rowell had only 15 touches, 8 clangers and zero influence and got 3 votes.

Im sure the umps would have interesting perspective if they watched the game afterwards and then gave votes. But during the game they are too busy umpiring to notice much at all about who is playing well. Its not a different perspective. Its no perspective at all.

 

[bzparkes]

Player A

2nd contested possessions
2nd centre clearances
1st total clearances.
2nd tackles
1st pressure acts
1st defensive half pressure acts
7th inside 50s
5th score involvements

Or

Player B

22nd contested possessions
7th centre clearances
7th total clearances.
37th tackles
56th pressure acts
66 defensive half pressure acts
2nd inside 50s
2nd score involvements




Which player do people think would be more likely to win best player in the comp?

 

[RCAB]

I think people just love complaining.

The umpires perspective in the game is SO DIFFERENT to that of a fan, or coach, or media commentator. Of course they'll come up with different views on who is best.

Umpires are litterally in every stoppage - so of course the players that are great at stoppages are the ones that get their attention and score highly.

The way Rowell plays in clearances is so eye catching. Siimilar to Cripps last year. It's happening right under the umpires nose.

There are a few other reasons the brownlow is losing credibility, and it's not because of bad decisions on who is best on, it is:

• People obsessed with criticising umpires. It's at epic proportions now.
• We are now comparing coaches votes to verify the accuracy of umpire votes. Umpires and coaches have very different perspectives - it is flat out stupid to expect the same outcome. Go and celebrate the coaches votes more if you think it's a better award. No need to complain about the brownlow.
• Social media fuels complaints and outrage. If there is a wrong vote every single footy insta account will focus on that. It will get shared and clicked on much more than anything else. It changes the perceptiion of how credible the award is. If 99% of the votes are 'correct' there will still be a view that it's getting worse because the 'mistakes' will be highlighted.
• Hyper analysis of the (perceived) incorrect awarded votes. Media is fuelling this in a big way.
• Sports betting - people are more emotional when they're not winning the bets they put on for Daicos, etc.
• People are expecting umpires to have a birds-eye view of the game when they're literally in the game. (you can't read the label when you're inside the jar, as they say - and it would be dumb to expect it)
• The amount of coverage of predictions (also fuelled by sports betting) BEFORE the brownlow means people form very strong opinions on how the votes SHOULD go.

Overall it's the coverage, and the general obsession with criticising everything about umpires and the game, that is ruining the credibility. The voting itself doesn't appear to be significantly better or worse than it's ever been. But the respect for it has changed.

The umpires themselves have said that they don't care about giving votes.

Their job is to adjudicate the game not to work out who the best players.

Regardless... Giving someone the job of awarding a set number of votes each game is stupid in itself. Australian Rules football is the only sport in the world that thinks that this kind of method is a serious way of awarding the best player. Think about that for a second.

 

[Rabish Binney]

So its been around for years and then you state its only cos daicos didnt win it. Which is it? Around for years or a one off thing?

What don't you understand?

The 'controversy' surrounding this years result has been greatly amplified by Collingwood supporters whinging about Daicos not winning it.

It is over the top.

If Daicos did win it, do you really think you and your fellow supporters would still be on here saying the Brownlow has no credibility?

Of course they wouldn't.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

The umpires themselves have said that they don't care about giving votes.

Their job is to adjudicate the game not to work out who the best players.

Regardless... Giving someone the job of awarding a set number of votes each game is stupid in itself. Australian Rules football is the only sport in the world that thinks that this kind of method is a serious way of awarding the best player. Think about that for a second.

Which umpires have said they don't care about giving votes?

 

[RCAB]

Player A

2nd contested possessions
2nd centre clearances
1st total clearances.
2nd tackles
1st pressure acts
1st defensive half pressure acts
7th inside 50s
5th score involvements

Or

Player B

22nd contested possessions
7th centre clearances
7th total clearances.
37th tackles
56th pressure acts
66 defensive half pressure acts
2nd inside 50s
2nd score involvements




Which player do people think would be more likely to win best player in the comp?

The one that gets away with throwing the ball the most.

 

[RCAB]

Which umpires have said they don't care about giving votes?

I know umpires locally that say this... But AFL umpires on radio and other media have said this before, it just doesn't get much airtime because it doesn't suit the narrative, and there is this whole mysticism attached to the Dumblow and keeping the votes hidden with the umpires, until it all gets revealed a week before the grand final... Like somehow it gives it more legitimacy

Oh and also the Dumblow award includes only the home and away season, just another stupidity of this award.