Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Their war chest must’ve been huge.

NWM - $2m
TDK - $1.8m
JSOS - $800-$900k
Flanders - $900k
Aleer - ?
Ryan - ?

King, Wilkie, Steele, Marshall & Sinclair, must be on peanuts

I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but King is reportedly on $1m per year until 2032.....

 

[Jimmae]

I was talking about the doggies.

Will be pick 12 on the night before the bids start rolling in, and if things fall as we both expect them, it'll pick 13 or 14 by the time they use it.

 

[DEESNUTSRBIG]

With these contracts there is a lot of speculation.
1.5m per could be the base. + 50-100k for amount of games played, +50-100k for top 10/top 5 best and fairest finish, +50-100k for making all Australia squad/Team.
Some contracts are tied to the salary cap as a percentage eg. Player A gets 8% of the teams cap and and as it increases so does his wage.

 

[sosos]

You're obviously happy with all our on field success we've had over the past 30 years. This is the issue supporters accept mediocrity

Get some new material.

 

[Zlatan]

Saints are reportedly willing to offer $900k for five years and their pick 7. We can't beat that

Nor should we - irresponsible list management to give a player like Flanders that type of deal when we already have similar types in the team

 

[Gointocarlton]

All in saying is if we finish bottom 4 next season. Walsh is uncontracted and afree agent. Clubs will come for him. Why would he choose to stay?

Perhaps for the same reason Weitering chose to stay, same reason Cripps chose to stay, same reason Harry chose to stay, they are of good character and want to see a job through.

 

[Catfish blue]

Pick 6 for Saad

Faithful are too harsh on Cez and Saad.

Cez had his most consistent year and will feature heavily in the bnf before injury strikes, similar to a few years ago. Still only 25.

Saad has played over 100 games for the club, had multiple top 10 finishes and an AA jumper. He was down this year but most of our leaders were.

 

[Foucault1989]

We are unfortunately not going to get a star player for Curnow. It just doesn't happen. We are going to have to decide if we can maximise multiple first round picks and solid B graders to produce more depth and consistency in the interim to keep us competitive while getting vital pieces to set us up long term with high end elite youth, understanding there are no guarantees as we've seen with this current 66 game rebuild of ours, filled with wasted draft picks at the pointy end.

I am coming around to trading Curnow for the Swans 1st rounders in 26 and 27, Florent and Hayward. Both of those guys fill spots in our best 22 for 5 - 6 years, they are rarely injured and good for culture.

Trade up to pick 2 this year, have points for next year to get Cody comfortably.

It's not ideal and I'd like more but better than the media circus surrounding Curnow for another 12 months.

We may also do a mega trade to get pick 2 from West Coast without giving up the TDK compo pick.

 

[klompy]

I’d be getting the best we can for Charlie, I would try to pay below full salary cap for a while, reflective of the fact that we are now currently a below average club, bank it, and be ready to do a “St Kilda” to go after some big names when we are ready and they are available. The St Kilda strategy is intriguing, but made me think that if we are a below average club and years away from success then banking salary cap space has to be a key plank in the strategy. Charlie is not the future for Carlton, and won’t be around for our next rise up

 

[Bundy Bear Bogan]

Their war chest must’ve been huge.

NWM - $2m
TDK - $1.8m
JSOS - $800-$900k
Flanders - $900k
Aleer - ?
Ryan - ?

King, Wilkie, Steele, Marshall & Sinclair, must be on peanuts

Actually, the're sharing half a peanut between them...

 

[JJBagger]

We are unfortunately not going to get a star player for Curnow. It just doesn't happen. We are going to have to decide if we can maximise multiple first round picks and solid B graders to produce more depth and consistency in the interim to keep us competitive while getting vital pieces to set us up long term with high end elite youth, understanding there are no guarantees as we've seen with this current 66 game rebuild of ours, filled with wasted draft picks at the pointy end.

I am coming around to trading Curnow for the Swans 1st rounders in 26 and 27, Florent and Hayward. Both of those guys fill spots in our best 22 for 5 - 6 years, they are rarely injured and good for culture.

Trade up to pick 2 this year, have points for next year to get Cody comfortably.

It's not ideal and I'd like more but better than the media circus surrounding Curnow for another 12 months.

We may also do a mega trade to get pick 2 from West Coast without giving up the TDK compo pick.

Based on what? This just sounds like an opinion masquerading as fact

 

[Benaly28]

We are unfortunately not going to get a star player for Curnow. It just doesn't happen. We are going to have to decide if we can maximise multiple first round picks and solid B graders to produce more depth and consistency in the interim to keep us competitive while getting vital pieces to set us up long term with high end elite youth, understanding there are no guarantees as we've seen with this current 66 game rebuild of ours, filled with wasted draft picks at the pointy end.

I am coming around to trading Curnow for the Swans 1st rounders in 26 and 27, Florent and Hayward. Both of those guys fill spots in our best 22 for 5 - 6 years, they are rarely injured and good for culture.

Trade up to pick 2 this year, have points for next year to get Cody comfortably.

It's not ideal and I'd like more but better than the media circus surrounding Curnow for another 12 months.

We may also do a mega trade to get pick 2 from West Coast without giving up the TDK compo pick.

‘IF’ Charlie gets to Sydney they go close to winning a flag.

So the deal proposed would be Hayward/Florent and picks 15/18 for the next two years.

IMO that’s a horrendous deal.

This is THE time to make a statement to the afl and more importantly Charlie.You wanted a long term deal you got it.Put your big boy pants on do the hard work put in a big pre season and who knows you might actually enjoy your footy.

 

[Bfevola]

In what world does Flanders get pick 7. And we get Sydney’s 1st and 1st next year and Florent/hayward for Curnow.

No other team would accept this. Hope we never do either. We will be looked at easy beats and weak at the trade table.

 

[macky99]

‘IF’ Charlie gets to Sydney they go close to winning a flag.

So the deal proposed would be Hayward/Florent and picks 15/18 for the next two years.

IMO that’s a horrendous deal.

This is THE time to make a statement to the afl and more importantly Charlie.You wanted a long term deal you got it.Put your big boy pants on do the hard work put in a big pre season and who knows you might actually enjoy your footy.

Sydney have pick 9 this year, that would need to be part of any deal, we may be able to trade up to top 2-3 in this draft with that selection taking picks is not doing much for us in two years time.

 

[tarczonandjane]

‘IF’ Charlie gets to Sydney they go close to winning a flag.

So the deal proposed would be Hayward/Florent and picks 15/18 for the next two years.

IMO that’s a horrendous deal.

This is THE time to make a statement to the afl and more importantly Charlie.You wanted a long term deal you got it.Put your big boy pants on do the hard work put in a big pre season and who knows you might actually enjoy your footy.

I love your work Benaly! And I can see exactly where you are coming from. But I do think there are two caveats on your comments:

1: we don’t know what shape his knee is in. Perhaps the club thinks his best is behind him?

2: we don’t know what is going to be the best way of instilling a better culture. If he is a poor influence on the culture through an ongoing lack of professionalism and leadership, then maybe it is best to show him the door and say we won’t tolerate this stuff moving forward?

I don’t have answers to either of the above questions. So I’m going to put trust that Wright, Davies, and Voss know what they are doing… whatever the outcome might be.

 

[JJBagger]

In what world does Flanders get pick 7. And we get Sydney’s 1st and 1st next year and Florent/hayward for Curnow.

No other team would accept this. Hope we never do either. We will be looked at easy beats and weak at the trade table.

The saints are going all in at playing finals next year. There’s no other explanation. They’ve just signed a bunch of B graders that make them better, but don’t really put them in the upper echelon of teams. It’s as odd of a list strategy that I’ve ever seen

 

[Bfevola]

Trading up again? Paying and arm and a leg for 2 years in a row to trade up. Would rather trade down and get picks in next years 1st. We are not in a position for expensive money ball. Jury is out on jagga imo.

 

[JJBagger]

Trading up again? Paying and arm and a leg for 2 years in a row to trade up. Would rather trade down and get picks in next years 1st. We are not in a position for expensive money ball. Jury is out on jagga imo.

Jagga hasn’t played a game, and you’re saying the jury is out on him? What a miserable thing to even think about posting

 

[Bfevola]

It’s not an attack on him. Taking about the transaction itself. It was a lot to give up for one player who is unproven. We need depth not to give up the farm for one potential good player. Time will tell if it was genius or not.

And please don’t get personal with your miserable statement. This is an opinion discussion right?

 

[The Bighouse]

In what world does Flanders get pick 7. And we get Sydney’s 1st and 1st next year and Florent/hayward for Curnow.

No other team would accept this. Hope we never do either. We will be looked at easy beats and weak at the trade table.

Prob a 2nd coming back that hasn’t been mentioned.
Wonder what GWS will get for Aleer as well & WCE for Ryan.

 

[JJBagger]

It’s not an attack on him. Taking about the transaction itself. It was a lot to give up for one player who is unproven. We need depth not to give up the farm for one potential good player. Time will tell if it was genius or not.

And please don’t get personal with your miserable statement. This is an opinion discussion right?

If we hadve kept 12 and 14 and used them on say Joe Berry and Murphy Reid, that’s still not a net positive on what Jagga could be. I don’t get the idea of ‘B-grader and C-grader = better than an A grader’.

How is what I said a personal attack? You have your opinion, and I gave my opinion on your opinion. I didn’t personally attack you

 

[Bfevola]

The same murphy Reid that won the rising star you mean? A ‘B’ grader.

But we know jagga is ‘A’ grade?

He may well be but our draft record hasn’t been flash.

All we know so far is he is very talented. Quick etc. But he is very skinny and has done a knee already.

But ok Jagga is ‘A’ grade and Murphy Reid is a ‘B’ grader.

We could have had two good choices instead of one. And built our team that way. Langford, Reid etc

But we thought jagga would be the cherry on top. How wrong they were.

 

[ferrisb]

Is it just me, or is anyone else getting lots of dead pages when clicking on BigFooty this week?

 

[ferrisb]

Is it just me, or is anyone else getting lots of dead pages when clicking on BigFooty this week?

Actually, could be useful.

We could use it for any trade negotiations with Geelong...

 

[bluekidjoe]

Not really _ I was responding to the poster I quoted and bolded the bit I responded to.

Personally speaking I am more than familiar with 'dealing' with prima donna extremely talented employees and would never find myself in the situation that Carlton put itself into allowing a bunch of nuffy self proclaimed star players to dictate terms to the Club and pick and choose when they wish to play if they wish to play whilst being paid massive overs for what they have delivered - all whilst whispering to nuffies about how bad every coach that the CLub has ever bought in to coach them is...not ONE of the players that have left will EVER achieve 1/10th of what the current coach has achieved or known 1/10th of what he already knows and has forgotten about what it takes to be a good footballer or a winning team - NOT ONE of them.

Instead of being captive to a self selected bunch of talented but ultimately individualistic driven non team players - the CLub is best rid of the lot of them - and build a team culture.

Apparently this was the aim of the leadership group - which apparently took 'unders' to stay together and achieve something...well unders turned out to be overs but not enough for the like of curnow now...

Carlton #1 issue is to take control of the playing groups entitled expectations. It isnt Carlton's job to strengthen opposition teams for peanut returns, it isnt Carltons job to reward bastardry and bad actor behaviour, it isnt Carlton's job to cop ridicule and accept whatever some other mob wishes to pass on - it is Carltons job to put Carlton first and if that means making curnow stick to his contract and not even play a game for the next 4 years- - SO BE IT.

but hey that is just me - I understand some people enjoy bending over and eating scraps.

This 100%!

The first thing that goes when adversity strikes is the ability to be vulnerable. And the number one component of a successful group is trust, which demands vulnerability.

Adversity struck first in 2002. Since then we haven’t had the leadership strength to break the individualistic culture that emerged after that period.

It seems now as though GW is finally the person to enforce a leadership approach that allows the players with true leadership (Cripps, Walsh, Weiters) to stand up and call out standards openly without fear of ridicule or factional splits.

We’ve been leading to this moment and it appears like it’s finally here in the form of the unapologetic management of Charlie’s Prima-Donna attitude.