2025 Brownlow Medal

[My Tilly]

Whoops you found 4. Carey and Matthews were the first 2 that came into my mind.

Hardie winning in 1985 averaging 18 disposals from the back pocket.
Ablett averaged 17 disposals & 4 goals from half forward flank that very same year.

Carey's 1996 in which he averaged 18 disposals & 3 goals from centre half forward.

 

[longdonkey]

Hardie winning in 1985 averaging 18 disposals from the back pocket.
Ablett averaged 17 disposals & 4 goals from half forward flank that very same year.

Carey's 1996 in which he averaged 18 disposals & 3 goals from centre half forward.

Everyone knows that the best player doesn't always win the Brownlow. And inside mids poll votes its the way it is.

 

[Mick F]

Matt Rowell is an exceptional player, but one with a pretty rude head. Who in your opinion was the Brownlow winner with the next rudest head?

DSA of the Month is overrated.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Woke up with a smile on my face.
Thank you Rowell.
Pencil Nicky D in for second place again next year.

 

[My Tilly]

Woke up with a smile on my face.

Pretty unusual hey?

 

[YeoShuey]

I second Hardwick's comments.

Very surprised Rowell outpolled Anderson.

 

[_Mike_]

Everyone knows that the best player doesn't always win the Brownlow. And inside mids poll votes its the way it is.

The last KPP (non mid) spine player to win was Wynd in 92. It’s been a loooong time since a ruck, FF, CHF, CHB, FB won

 

[Freddy Swift]

So the BIGGEST CHEATER in the game... Matt Rowell.. the player throws the ball the most of any player in the league, and gets looked after by umpires...suprise suprise, gets the most votes from those same umpires. What a joke.

What a whiney little person you are. Are you sure you aren't really a Collingwood supporter? You're clearly pissed off that Daicos didn't win the medal and you were all upset in another thread that Elliott didn't get a free kick in the PF. Why do you care so much, did you have money on them or something?

 

[RCAB]

What a whiney little person you are. Are you sure you aren't really a Collingwood supporter? You're clearly pissed off that Daicos didn't win the medal and you were all upset in another thread that Elliott didn't get a free kick in the PF. Why do you care so much, did you have money on them or something?

Nope

 

[Cam Payne]

Matt Rowell is an exceptional player, but one with a pretty rude head. Who in your opinion was the Brownlow winner with the next rudest head?

Not a single vote for Brad Hardie. Incredible.

 

[The Blue Max]

Not a single vote for Brad Hardie. Incredible.

Robert Harvey was borderline hideous with those fish lips

Dipper was just greasy.

Buckley was as ugly as sin back then.

And as for James ‘Jumbo’ Hird, you can’t polish a turd.

 

[CanuckSuns]

At least the Suns won something.

 

[My Tilly]

Media 'experts' trying to justify the umpires decision not to award Wanganeen-Milera the three votes

"He only turned it on in the last quarter"

 

[JHF1870]

Here was my round 20 using season algorithm (Not my finals one)

AFL rating in column two
Max Gawn

11

Max Gawn

Age

33

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

was about 10% overvalued

 

[JHF1870]

Here were the umpires for the Saints Dees game

 

[JHF1870]

Another Dalgleish controversial game

I didn't give Rowell any votes for this game, he was ranked low. Lot of clangers

 

[mianfei]

West Coast 12 votes! Individual maximum of 3!

Regardless of West Coast’s dreadful season, it is amazing. Even considering they won only one game, they were not as uncompetitive as GWS back in 2013, or Fitzroy in 1996, or Melbourne in 1981.

Kevin Murray in 1964 and John Lewis in 1931 won more votes than West Coast did collectively, playing for a side with no wins. De facto, Murray did so in 1963 as well: he did not play in Fitzroy’s only win and still won 14 votes. Neil Roberts in 1955 finished third for a side with one win and a percentage 15 points worse than West Coast had this year.

 

[Farang83150]

I switched on towards the end and all I saw was a bunch of drunks acting like clowns.
You don't have to get drunk. You don't have to drink at all.
It would be good if at least a few didn't drink.

Why didn't you just change channels and watch the brownlow count then.

 

[Tugga27]

Why didn't you just change channels and watch the brownlow count then.

Because then he'd have to find something else to moan about.

 

[revo333]

Carey's 1996 in which he averaged 18 disposals & 3 goals from centre half forward.

I think the word at the time was that Carey was too lippy towards the umpires.

 

[Billionaire Panda]

Another Dalgleish controversial game

I didn't give Rowell any votes for this game, he was ranked low. Lot of clangers

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TBF it wasn't controversial, just a really difficult game. GC win and all the best players are from Adelaide. Some set of umps find it hard to give the 3 to the losing team even in close losses. And not common for a losing team forward getting the 3 either. FWIW these were some of my notes from that game, 2nd half didn't have a lot of standouts and they basically just went with the good first half guys.

HT- crows by 1pt rowell best on been a real bull and 2 goal assists, touk miller other real good sun. Rankine and Peatling the best crows. Dawson not in it

FT - Gold coast won by 1, hard votes. Dawson probably best 2nd half. Rowell and Anderson quiet in end. Miller was quite good. Rankines touches were influential. Thilthorpe could get in it but had some bad moments.

 

[JHF1870]

TBF it wasn't controversial, just a really difficult game. GC win and all the best players are from Adelaide. Some set of umps find it hard to give the 3 to the losing team even in close losses. And not common for a losing team forward getting the 3 either. FWIW these were some of my notes from that game, 2nd half didn't have a lot of standouts and they basically just went with the good first half guys.

HT- crows by 1pt rowell best on been a real bull and 2 goal assists, touk miller other real good sun. Rankine and Peatling the best crows. Dawson not in it

FT - Gold coast won by 1, hard votes. Dawson probably best 2nd half. Rowell and Anderson quiet in end. Miller was quite good. Rankines touches were influential. Thilthorpe could get in it but had some bad moments.

The issue is with voting as such and I'm not entirely sure how they do it but imagine a polarizing scenario, or lopsided with different umpires interpretation.

Say 4 umpires give a set of 3 votes and all vote differently of each other. OR do they collaborate and give a final 3?

The other issue is umpires probably won't notice intercept spoils, intercept marks marginally fare better, and other game winning efforts.

They probably see more impact from things like goals, center clearances, inside 50s more than anything which is why midfielders and 5 goal games get votes. How can you have a guy get 18 intercept disposals and get no votes?

 

[JHF1870]

Also, I decided to rerun my new formula on that current game and might piss a few people off but it penalizes poor disposal greater than before, and tones down ruck bias I had previously. Here are the results

I did watch that game, and I remember Rowell getting a lot of the ball but was rather sloppy given the pressure he was under. Thilthorpe was really solid but missed the opportunity to win. Despite the commentary in thread on Mac Andrew he had 4 contested 1 on 1 wins, 14 spoils.

The notable difference in this and my in season score was the buff to defenders.

Rankine had 7 clangers, Rowell 8. Umpires will never acknowledge that but those have significant implications to a team winning.

Row Labels​	Sum of TOTAL​
James Peatling	79.28​
Riley Thilthorpe	75.85​
Mac Andrew	72.02​
Touk Miller	70.79​
Noah Anderson	69.65​
Jordan Dawson	67.51​
Jake Soligo	67.15​
Daniel Rioli	66.96​
Jarrod Witts	62.62​
Jed Walter	59.13​
Ben Ainsworth	54.86​
Izak Rankine	52.54​
Taylor Walker	50.62​
Matt Rowell	48.97​

 

[Billionaire Panda]

Also, I decided to rerun my new formula on that current game and might piss a few people off but it penalizes poor disposal greater than before, and tones down ruck bias I had previously. Here are the results

I did watch that game, and I remember Rowell getting a lot of the ball but was rather sloppy given the pressure he was under. Thilthorpe was really solid but missed the opportunity to win. Despite the commentary in thread on Mac Andrew he had 4 contested 1 on 1 wins, 14 spoils.

The notable difference in this and my in season score was the buff to defenders.

Rankine had 7 clangers, Rowell 8. Umpires will never acknowledge that but those have significant implications to a team winning.

Row Labels​	Sum of TOTAL​
James Peatling	79.28​
Riley Thilthorpe	75.85​
Mac Andrew	72.02​
Touk Miller	70.79​
Noah Anderson	69.65​
Jordan Dawson	67.51​
Jake Soligo	67.15​
Daniel Rioli	66.96​
Jarrod Witts	62.62​
Jed Walter	59.13​
Ben Ainsworth	54.86​
Izak Rankine	52.54​
Taylor Walker	50.62​
Matt Rowell	48.97​

What is your intended purpose in creating these formulas and rankings?

 

[brutus76]

When I used to umpire with my Dad in the 90s we'd note down a couple of jumper numbers each quarter at the breaks independent of each other before consultation post game.

Was a good guide and kept your mind fresh.