List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - Top 10 Candidates

[Mr Magic]

What the hell are you on about? I was at the game, and the minute Neale came on, he had a big influence on the outcome. Was absolutely fantastic in the half he played, barely wasting a possession

that does not make him better than Ashcroft.

It just makes him better than most at Geelong

To make a greater impact it helps to play more than a half

most players should not waste a possession. there was a time when when players did not waste a possession they made it to afl level


this is a discussion of whether he could be BOG or not really.

What surprises me is how some get excited by such a low bar. I could look at the Brisbane Geelong match and fell some Geelong players, more than Brisbane, where simply not good enough for example

we are not talking about if Neale is a good player or not, that has already been ticked off

 

[Infamy]

they're gonna need a bucket load of points if they want all of their Academy kids, Uwland, Patterson, Addinsall, Coulson, Murray and Collins along with a few others

They won't have the list spots for all of those, certainly if they trade in a couple of players to contend as well.
I can see them doing what they can to match Uwland & Patterson, but the rest I think could be left to others to draft

 

[TigerTime88]

There’s a couple of blokes that genuinely have good mail. Otherwise it’s just speculation. WCE hold their draft cards very tightly. We knew about the Harley contract well before it was announced etc, but the players we select on the draft even the guys with good mail generally don’t know. The Duursma/CDT stuff is coming from Twomey, no one else.

Don't be silly....you guys will trade back into the teens with 1 and 2.

 

[PeteTiger69minus4]

The Greek freak in this years draft!!

Fantastic, all Richmond need is another player who wants to join the Swans

if the boys hadn't shat on him on PF day maybe he stays and takes us to a flag. he looked very distressed, through the sleet

 

[TigerTime88]

Don't get the fuss. A HBF that has no outstanding traits. We can get them from the VFL if we need one

Also can be the last piece of the drafting puzzle. Save it for when we push up a bit and have pick 10-12. Quality flankers to finalise the team.

 

[PeteTiger69minus4]

If Tanner Armstrong is going to be an inside beast + the top end talent in next year's draft being some seriously good mids.

We can literally trade down and get 2 picks this year's draft.

And address other areas to essentially try and complete our list - that being Grlj, Hibbins hargreaves, Dovaston, Phillipou etc.

If we can slide back from 4 to 8-10 plus get a first round pick, that is a great deal.

Drafting best available without trading down or showing any ounce of creativity leaves you like North Melbourne. Let's just indefinitely draft the best mids at the top of the draft is silly - we are going to have access to the top mids for at least another 2 years, so why not split to address outside pace or a genuine small forward in a weaker even draft crop.

If people think splitting picks in a multi-billion dollar industry is trying to be "clever" or "outsmart" the system, they need to wake up. List managers don't just plan the list 1 pick at a time, they will have their eyes to the future on how they can complete an entire best 22 they think can deliver a flag.

Is Cumming better than getting Dovaston + Grlj. If Blair believes it then I'm on board. If he doesn't, and he splits it, then great.

yes to this generally

i want us to get someone who can play halfback and kick with their left

 

[tigerfan1961]

that does not make him better than Ashcroft.

It just makes him better than most at Geelong

To make a greater impact it helps to play more than a half

most players should not waste a possession. there was a time when when players did not waste a possession they made it to afl level


this is a discussion of whether he could be BOG or not really.

What surprises me is how some get excited by such a low bar. I could look at the Brisbane Geelong match and fell some Geelong players, more than Brisbane, where simply not good enough for example

we are not talking about if Neale is a good player or not, that has already been ticked off

Never said he was BOG. But he had a profound influence on the game.
And Ashcroft was fantastic, thought McLuggage, Cameron and Bailey were also great. And nobody mentions Darcy Fort who was also very good for the Lions.

 

[Mr Magic]

Never said he was BOG. But he had a profound influence on the game

yeah well profound is a little heavy for me, in the context of most of his teammates where dominating.

it is not like RFC where Dusty is a major architect.

to me, Neale was good but one of many

I regard Brisbane a far more even team than our premiership teams recently when we relied on Dusty and a few more maybe a little more


When NAS won the game for Saints and only got 2 votes for the Brownlow I would call Nas's influence profound and Neale's impact was nothing like that IMO

 

[tigerfan1961]

Essendoom also has their natural pick 4 and could end up with pick 8 from the Hawks for Merrett. If the Suns get pick 7 for Flanders then they could well trade either that or 6 for more points, they're gonna need a bucket load of points if they want all of their Academy kids, Uwland, Patterson, Addinsall, Coulson, Murray and Collins along with a few others, so they're not in a position to trade up, more likely trade down for more points. The Don's will probably get 19 (Band 2 for Draper) and also have picks 22 & 25, those 3 picks could get them pick 7 from the Suns, so they end up with, 4-5-7 & 8 (before bids and compo) Pick 6 will be chewed up by bids which will mean that they have 4 picks in a row.

In a shallow draft Same fate when they drafted Cox, Perkins and Reid

 

[4tune8]

They won't have the list spots for all of those, certainly if they trade in a couple of players to contend as well.
I can see them doing what they can to match Uwland & Patterson, but the rest I think could be left to others to draft

Yeah, there's a fair bit going on there. 3 delistings so far, Rosas and Flanders gone as well. Interest in JUH and Curnow.

 

[4tune8]

In a shallow draft Same fate when they drafted Cox, Perkins and Reid

That's the trouble with the Dons club management, there's no clear plan, or there hasn't been one to identify solid list building, they just stagger along making decisions for the here and now with no strategy, long may it last.

 

[guruisatiger]

Statts from yesterday game
Will Ashcroft 32 disposals-1 goal
8 tackles -9 inside 50s- 4 marks-2 rebound 50- 10 clearance-12 contested possessions

Hugh Mcluggage 26 disposals-4 goals-6 tackles-8 inside 50s - 3 marks-0 rebound 50 - 5 clearance-10 contested possessions

Zac Bailey

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Zac Bailey

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26

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181cm

Wt

84kg

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M/F

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12.7

3star

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6.9

3star

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5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

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2.2

4star

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0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

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5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

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0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

23 disposals- 3 goals- 5 tackles- 4 inside 50 - 5 marks- 1 rebound 50- - 5 clearance- - 10 contested possessions

 

[guruisatiger]

Dunno I know the ashcrofts don’t hard ball, or tackle, they Like to run free easy pickings. Clug had a dusty like game… 25 plus and kicks 4? That screams norm. Even Charlie Cameron 4 goals mostly when game was on the line. The AFL will push Ashcroft to be better than Dusty they love breaking records which I can’t stand, just let them play and give to the best player. Harris Andrews was enormous too gets no love??? Jaspa fletcher got 3 votes and was enormous ???.



Seeing as he’s extremely close with him he may tell me. He told me ages ago about Harley and Richmond, which I said on here.



Yeah well I think handling the tag, getting 26 kicking 4. 10 score involvements would do it. Zac Bailey was stiff as well, I thought the fact he kept trying whilst missing speaks volumes.

Only one player yesterday got more contested possessions than will Ashcroft and that was a Geelong player

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

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Fair chance Dill misread it

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Won't lie I have looked at a deal where we trade our 2 picks to the Suns for their first 3 picks in the draft assuming they get 7 for Flanders, which would make it 6 7 & 13 currently, but there is no way I can see Blair doing that deal.

Especially if he doesn’t like the draft.

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Did any of these kids show something as an underager last year?

 

[Shinrisker]

Did any of these kids show something as an underager last year?

Sharp played well in champs, Cumming was dominating u18s, NHH kicked 23 goals in the CTL

 

[Lacustrus]

Quite excited about another Kellaway joining the club. Likely a late developer like his dad and Uncle - looks tough as nails .

 

[richoatthedisco]

yes to this generally

i want us to get someone who can play halfback and kick with their left

Voss from Frankston.

 

[tigs2010]

Voss from Frankston.

Didn't Michael Voss dad plow Jackson's grandma?

 

[tigerfan1961]

That's the trouble with the Dons club management, there's no clear plan, or there hasn't been one to identify solid list building, they just stagger along making decisions for the here and now with no strategy, long may it last.

When we effectively traded out of this upcoming draft, save for our and Norf’s first rounders, I knew it was a poor draft. It’s Blair Hartley 101, trade out of crap drafts, trade into good ones. Said as much at the presentations I’ve been fortunate enough to attend.

 

[Morro]

When we effectively traded out of this upcoming draft, save for our and Norf’s first rounders, I knew it was a poor draft. It’s Blair Hartley 101, trade out of crap drafts, trade into good ones. Said as much at the presentations I’ve been fortunate enough to attend.

We kinda traded into to.

 

[tigerfan1961]

We kinda traded into to.

Yep, but for a first from a team expected to finish in the bottom 5, and traded out effectively all our other picks. In ‘23, we traded down a number of times to get into the ‘24 draft.

 

[Morro]

Yep, but for a first from a team expected to finish in the bottom 5, and traded out effectively all our other picks. In ‘23, we traded down a number of times to get into the ‘24 draft.

I wonder if we expected them to be bottom 5, they certainly didnt eh eh eh eh

I reckon we would trade all our picks besides our first, for a top 5 pick every year though.

 

[Azzleberry]

I know the media has conditioned us all to thinking WCE get pick 2 compensation for Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

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But I wouldn't be surprised with all the noise around draft equalisation if the AFL use the secret herbs and spices to tighten this right up. Its poor optics to have the reigning premier win the flag and pick up 2 quality players from other sides for free + a top 5 pick from the academy.

Now I know long term pick 2 for Allen is the best result for west coast but in the short term, if the AFL want a more even competition then only giving band2 compensation does that, as it would force west coast to match the offer and force a trade. They would rightly ask for more than say pick 18, so might end up with a future 1st and something else this year, which then limits the lions moving forward. Alternatively they make Allen stay and are a better side next year.

Chances of this happening is about 5% but there's still hope for common sense until it's announced in a weeks time