List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

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Harley Reid extends to 2028

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List Changes - 2025

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• Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle
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  Jack Petruccelle

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  83kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

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  Last 5

  D

  9.2

  2star

  K

  6.2

  2star

  HB

  3.0

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  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  6.7

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.7

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  M

  1.7

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  T

  1.3

  2star

  G

  0.7

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  D

  7.8

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  K

  4.6

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  HB

  3.2

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  M

  2.8

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  T

  1.6

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  G

  0.6

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  , Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
• Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
• List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Key Offseason Dates

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Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft

 

[isthiswhereitype]

After all of the angst and hand wringing over it, it would be funny if starcevich does a dev and stays at the lions.

Funny in a 'wtf no one wants to play here this sucks' way but nevertheless

 

[element]

It's not 6 years for a start.

SEN
"West Coast said to have tabled a lucrative six-year deal to acquire the defender’s talents ahead of 2026."

Nine
"The Eagles appear to be in the box seat, and have reportedly offered him a lucrative six-year deal to join the club."

Herald Sun
"a six-year deal on the table from West Coast"

The West
"West Coast reportedly offer huge six-year deal"

Fox Sports
"reports the Eagles are offering a deal worth up to six seasons"

DT
"reported Starcevich has been offered a six-year deal, at least the last year of that contract would only be handed to him if he met a games-based trigger."


Whilst I have seen 1 report (from Reddit) that it is 4 years, the majority of news is reporting 6.
You have quoted me with confidence that I am wrong in relying on the majority of the reports out there.
Why are you so certain that it's not 6?

 

[WCE777]

If he triggers the extra years then it will have been a great pick up for us.

agree

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

If Sharp is projected to be passed by Richmond and Essendon we can also try to go 2 and 15 for another 2 top 10 picks.

Either gets us Robey or someone else that falls out of the top 5 if he keeps rising. In fact, should probably be trying to use him to sell pick 2.

Cannot see Bombers passing on Sharp, he's exactly what they need.

 

[ThePuma #9]

SEN
"West Coast said to have tabled a lucrative six-year deal to acquire the defender’s talents ahead of 2026."

Nine
"The Eagles appear to be in the box seat, and have reportedly offered him a lucrative six-year deal to join the club."

Herald Sun
"a six-year deal on the table from West Coast"

The West
"West Coast reportedly offer huge six-year deal"

Fox Sports
"reports the Eagles are offering a deal worth up to six seasons"

DT
"reported Starcevich has been offered a six-year deal, at least the last year of that contract would only be handed to him if he met a games-based trigger."


Whilst I have seen 1 report (from Reddit) that it is 4 years, the majority of news is reporting 6.
You have quoted me with confidence that I am wrong in relying on the majority of the reports out there.
Why are you so certain that it's not 6?

I see lot of “said to” appear to” and “reportedly”

But from who? What’s the source other than the media reporting what the other has said?

I’m not saying it’s not six years but it’s also been reported 4 years was on offer initially as well. I have no problem offering six with clauses in the contract tied to games played.

If he triggers them then excellent for us, if he doesn’t then we lose nothing.

 

[eaglevision]

Ralph reporting Starcevich deal is 5+1 years and WCE have not altered the deal post GF.

 

[ThePuma #9]

Ralph reporting Starcevich deal is 5+1 years and WCE have not altered the deal post GF.

We will find out soon enough.

 

[Mop]

The contract will be front loaded, so the end wouldn’t be much.

I would presume the afl comp would be weighted over the life of the deal either way

Mop

Your template/flowchart you posted is right but is dependent on a Free Agent, like Starcevich, actually being offered a contract and lodged with the AFL under Free Agency rules

Unless West Coast are as dumb as some here think they are, they won’t be lodging a FA contract. Nor will Brisbane want them to because they get zero if he leaves as a FA

The best path for BOTH clubs if/when Starcevich decides his future lies West is for a trade to be negotiated

If the clubs can’t agree on a trade, Starcevich can either decide to stay at Brisbane or as an uncontracted player decide to place himself in the PSD. The clubs are adults though and I expect a trade to be agreed on - what pick(s) that involves remains to be seen but Brisbane are in the position of anything being better than nothing

TLDR: The FA system will be completely bypassed so your flowchart doesn’t apply

I don’t agree with your interpretation being correct, my interpretation is that of a lack of bid from someone else is the equivalent trigger of being matched but I have asked the question of the AFLPA’s general enquires office.

It is an interpretation as there is a lack of precedent here.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

So reported by Ralph late today, so not the most reliable source.
WC have made enquiries about the 4th concussion in 14 mths and would be protected by a series of triggers if he joined the club on a long term deal.
BRI footy boss Dany Daly has said today there are no concussion symptoms today.
While reported that that a 6 year deal has been offered it would be at least some of that contract would be on game based triggers.
So sounds like the contract from WC has game based triggers to protect from medical retirement through concussion.
If all goes well he will get another 1 or 2 years if he meets games triggers.

I wouldn't guarantee him any more than 3 years. Everything after that is based on yearly triggers, not a one off trigger (i.e. if you played 5 years or more in your 3rd year you get another 3 years). And i would definately play up my concerns about his concussions (if Pyke is too dumb to have genuine concerns) to screw down the trade price, just as Brisbane are trying to brush it off.

Brisbane have no obligation to us to tell us everything and tell us the truth about his medical state in general or what hapenned during the GF. If they tell us lies they maximise possible trade value and there will be no repercussions for them after the trade is done if they are found to have been less than truthful.

 

[Jupes]

sounding like another 'we made a commitment' situation

 

[Keys]

SEN
"West Coast said to have tabled a lucrative six-year deal to acquire the defender’s talents ahead of 2026."

Nine
"The Eagles appear to be in the box seat, and have reportedly offered him a lucrative six-year deal to join the club."

Herald Sun
"a six-year deal on the table from West Coast"

The West
"West Coast reportedly offer huge six-year deal"

Fox Sports
"reports the Eagles are offering a deal worth up to six seasons"

DT
"reported Starcevich has been offered a six-year deal, at least the last year of that contract would only be handed to him if he met a games-based trigger."


Whilst I have seen 1 report (from Reddit) that it is 4 years, the majority of news is reporting 6.
You have quoted me with confidence that I am wrong in relying on the majority of the reports out there.
Why are you so certain that it's not 6?

Paddy Sweeney first reported we’d offered him a 4 year deal at around $900k a season on 18/9



That was followed the next day by Ryan Daniels saying the deal was “up to” 6 years



Since then the media echo chamber, as they do, has relentlessly parroted the 6 year deal without the “up to” qualification. Because they all report the same info even though it’s merely repeating what one or two other journalists said, it becomes widely reported even if it isn’t accurate

 

[UseR2006]

 

[Seadog]

SEN
"West Coast said to have tabled a lucrative six-year deal to acquire the defender’s talents ahead of 2026."

Nine
"The Eagles appear to be in the box seat, and have reportedly offered him a lucrative six-year deal to join the club."

Herald Sun
"a six-year deal on the table from West Coast"

The West
"West Coast reportedly offer huge six-year deal"

Fox Sports
"reports the Eagles are offering a deal worth up to six seasons"

DT
"reported Starcevich has been offered a six-year deal, at least the last year of that contract would only be handed to him if he met a games-based trigger."


Whilst I have seen 1 report (from Reddit) that it is 4 years, the majority of news is reporting 6.
You have quoted me with confidence that I am wrong in relying on the majority of the reports out there.
Why are you so certain that it's not 6?

A bloke on Kane and Kingy's (don't know his name)youtube piece this morning seemed quite sure it was 4 years so.......whatever.

 

[navi_]

Yeah because our defence is so strong with cole Duggan and kids ....

Duggan was a liability this year I agree.

Cole though had a strong year and deserved the extension he got, anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

With Hough likely to return and Yeo potentially also starc doesn't add much

 

[dinnaz]

If we do get the extra list spots advertised:

Draft: 1, (2), 15, 19, 33
Rookie: R1

The 3? extra spots allows us to
Keep: Livingstone
DFA/Train on: Josh Fahey,
Cheap Trade in: Will Phillips

 

[ghostbat12]

Bit concerned about his age given he will be 51 in 25 years time. Hope thats taken into account during trade period.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Cannot see Bombers passing on Sharp, he's exactly what they need.

But do they know that?

 

[rebel23]

It's pretty easy to not make starcevich a priority.. and pretty hard to make him one everything considered.

Are just dumb... Grow a pair and move on to other targets...

If Pyke Clarke are hellbent on giving concussion prone players massive deals to make themselves feel good then bring Gov back from retirement and offer him that deal. It's as farcical as it sounds

 

[Goroyals22]

Duggan was a liability this year I agree.

Cole though had a strong year and deserved the extension he got, anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

With Hough likely to return and Yeo potentially also starc doesn't add much

He had such a strong year he was dropped from the team that won one game for the year… outstanding year really

 

[Wooshaaaa]

It's pretty easy to not make starcevich a priority.. and pretty hard to make him one everything considered.

Are just dumb... Grow a pair and move on to other targets...

If Pyke Clarke are hellbent on giving concussion prone players massive deals to make themselves feel good then bring Gov back from retirement and offer him that deal. It's as farcical as it sounds

Which targets are they?

 

[Peptide Pig]

Assuming you are right and he is the best available (you aren't but your post clearly shows you aren't open to discussion about why you might be wrong), best available what exactly? Is he the best midfielder? Best KPF? Best KPD? Best Ruck? What is he? Where does he play for us week 1 next year to make us better? He might be a unicorn, I dont see it but if he is I'm happy to admit it in 5 years. He needs a team where he wont be exposed or put on an island. That isnt us.

Now if you're open to discussion of why he might not be a unicorn:

I cant see how he is the best anything?

He cant beat 18 year olds in ths ruck reliably how is that any better than what we have?

Which KPF is he replacing? Shanahan? Waterman?
what about Forward Ruck? Archer Reid? Jack Williams? He has the accuracy of Archer Reid with worse ruck work and worse marking ability. Is that what we need to get the team back on track?

Hes so high up because he could be anything. We dont have the luxury to take the high risk- high reward player. We need to take reliably good picks. Sharp has the highest floor in the draft and Duursma has the highest ceiling and probably top 5 floor. Those need to be our targets.

It’s not my opinion, it’s that of the experts. You can take your argument up with the professional draft watchers and recruiters, I’m sure they would be very interested as to why you know better than the expert consensus.

Going off Cal’s rankings as he is the most accurate, CDT has been the #1 ranked player in every form guide up until a few days ago when Duursma edged ahead. They are the clear top 2 in the open pool.

I think you’ve completely missed the point of the discussion anyway. The point was being made by posters that picks 1 & 2 should only be used on the ‘best available’ which refers to the highest rated or best/most talented player at that pick irrespective of position.

Meaning even if a team is flush for mids, if they are going ‘best available’ and the highest rated player at their pick is a mid then they take him anyway, ignoring ‘needs’ or positional priorities.

What you’re referring to by rattling off all those positions and existing players is whether CDT fills a ‘need’. That’s the opposite of what was being discussed.

I was simply highlighting the hypocrisy of posters stating that picks 1 & 2 must be used to take ‘best available’ because they like Duursma at pick 1, but when CDT is best available at pick 2 they say “Oh no not him”. He is the next best ranked so taking anyone other than him is a needs pick. Which is fine, but you can’t say Sharp or player X is best available just because you like them.

FWIW I’d be happy to take neither of Duursma or CDT. Split and take a mix of pure mids. Could potentially get 3 of Sharp/Robey/Cumming/Greeves/Farrow or 2 and a KPP like Schubert.

 

[rebel23]

It's pretty easy to not make starcevich a priority.. and pretty hard to make him one everything considered.

Are just dumb... Grow a pair and move on to other targets...

If Pyke Clarke are hellbent on giving concussion prone players massive deals to make themselves feel good then bring Gov back from retirement and offer him that deal. It's as farcical as it sounds

Which targets are they?

Doesn't matter just make some up

It's better than the alternative of actually getting him and worrying about him all the time. And then either sitting him out of games due to concern or worse still putting him in positions during games to stop him being in the play

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Which targets are they?

Who do you think we should target? Is Starcevich the only player on the list?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

But do they know that?

Haha likely not

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Any VFL, WAFL mature talent we think we might go after if we get extra spots?