Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

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[Treesloth]

Going by Bowes trade they will pick up an early first rounder as well….

That particular deal still infuriates me. Credit to Geelong for capitalising on that but it’s absolutely garbage that GC - on the back of the draft concessions it had already received - made one of the best clubs even stronger through sheer incompetence.

 

[4thchicken]

Finals 2 years and a heck of a lot of injuries. The way he has found wins despite our injuries has been remarkable. we have been ultra-competitive as well.

we’ve achieved finals off the back of about 12 months of consistent footy over 4 years (2nd half of 23-1st half of 24).

For the rest of the 3 years we’ve been wildly inconsistent/have underperformed

 

[BigBreakfast]

It's not about amassing the most talent. It's about building the best team.

Building balance across positions, balance across age & salary, players that suit the coach's gameplan and the modern game.

I actually think focusing on talent first has been our biggest failure.

And winning the deal…

 

[RPCB]

That particular deal still infuriates me. Credit to Geelong for capitalising on that but it’s absolutely garbage that GC - on the back of the draft concessions it had already received - made one of the best clubs even stronger through sheer incompetence.

Funnily enough, Geelong didn’t do much out of that trade anyway.

Jhye Clarke (used with the 1st they got from GC) isn’t much and Jack Bowes wasn’t much when they made the trade and they even spread his ridiculous contract over four years. So they are keeping an average player on their list for two more years than they otherwise would have.

In fact, both played in the GF and did nothing of note. So two GF spots were essentially wasted thanks to the trade with GC. Geelong definitely didn’t come out winners in that trade.

 

[4thchicken]

That particular deal still infuriates me. Credit to Geelong for capitalising on that but it’s absolutely garbage that GC - on the back of the draft concessions it had already received - made one of the best clubs even stronger through sheer incompetence.

Don’t blame the cats - The rule change was there for everyone to see yet the cats were the only team good enough to thoroughly explore that option.

Oliver is looking like a similar opportunity - and it looks like the rest of the competition may end up watching the cats do a similar deal

 

[Jimmae]

We won't be going to draft with TDK pick

Florent has talent and is a solid role player. Cant judge this year, even their stars had shockers.
2x1sts + Florent + another role player would be enough.

We get the extra first for Cody next year, and we end up with 10, 11 and 20 this year after compo.
Wonder if 10, 11, 20 + Gov could net us pick 2, 22 and Chesser.
Gets us ahead of a Dean bid.

If all we turn TDK, Charlie, Jack, and the next two drafts into is pick 2, Chesser, Dean, Ison, Reidy, Khamis, Florent, and Walker, then people need to be fired.

That's incompetent.

Do ya reckon they'd add pick #1 to us as well if we threw in Binns, Lij and Fogarty?

Only if they throw in reading comprehension classes for you, because I was clear that Sydney would be trading out a younger key in the same deal, improving the offer for West Coast to roughly a top 10 pick downgrade for 3 players and our future 2nd.

Meanwhile you're celebrating net transfers like the above as a victory? Jog on.

WCE will have 1,2,17,21,25,40. In a weak draft why would you trade pick 2 down to pick 10 and 11 when you could trade pick 17, 21, and 40 with GC for pick 7.

It's almost as if they need good players and the top 30 of the draft has genuine quality, so I see either deal as bad for them, particularly the one you've suggested.

No point trading into the 2027 draft very heavily weighted to the devils.

They have to trade 4 out of their 7 first rounders, so I'm happy to bank capital that we can turn into great picks or push further down the line.

May also solidify that 2027 is a strong crop of other clubs have strong academy chances that year so they will clamor for the pick in the 2026 off-season, in which case we have the option of trading back into the 2026 draft.

Honestly, depending on if and who we we get back for the Charlie trade, I think we should consider both Burton and Finlayson. Structure wise, they cover what we lost with Charlie and Jack and provide experience in those positions.

For example if we got back 2 firsts and Haywood for Charlie, Finlayson would be a decent player to fill Charlies role.

Burton isn't particularly physical and doesn't really help us given our defensive depth outside of ready made key defenders.

Finlayson would be great, but his mind is rightfully elsewhere and he needs to be with his family.

I personally think Cincotta deserved another one year contract. Great kick and could be used as a rebounding defender.

Doesn't win enough footy, and manages 6-10 games a year. I'd be stunned if anyone took the punt.

What's screwed is that when West Coast initially reached out for an assistance package they were told no to draft picks.

The second that they're linked with Starcevich the AFL gives them pick 19 as long as they trade it to Brisbane.

I wonder who pulled that trick?

In a publicly-traded company Swann would see trading get halted and his board firing him for this.

What the **** kind of business are the AFL devolving into? Time for professional sports clubs above a certain revenue threshold to pay company tax and get this calibre of corporate thug out of the upper echelons of the business. Unreal.

Any Charlie deal should NOT involve Florent.

2 firsts,Hayward and Campbell.

Campbell, Hayward and pick/s for me would be something I’d stamp Curnows papers for. Would have to sweeten it back a little picks wise with some swapping. Then Florent in a seperate deal. Would bite at that happily. Won’t happen though.

Campbell, Hayward and Florent aren't depth players either wth lol. All three meet a need for us. They would all make us better and be best 23.

I think us taking Florent sweetens the deal for Sydney, if anything, it's the Campbell part they'd baulk at initially until they realise they're not really giving a fair draft hand for Charlie.

Twomey just reported the Dees have cooled on Derksen from the Giants with Mihocek likely coming in. Would definitely take him as a young developing swingman for zilch.

Absolutely dominated for the Giants in the VFL.

Doubt it will be zero, unfortunately probably in a range where we've already earmarked currency for others, but perhaps.

Have never once heard Twomey throw shade at any supporter base. Best journo going round IMO.

His history of getting at least the top 10 on draft night correct is pretty bloody good so if he reckons a Dean bid comes before our first pick I’d back it in to happen.

I'll back him on draft eve too... this time of year he's no good, years ago he shifted from early phantoms to his own rating list, and that's the correct call for any draft commentator really unless they want to do proper list analysis.

But they don't get paid enough for that so he's covering other stories, and the part timers produce other content or have jobs.

No more talk about this until after the combine at least.

What about Fahey?

Weitering, Saad, Newman, Cowan, and Hollands all take kickouts. Carroll would have no issue, not Wilson, or others. What is this half-cocked nonsense?

See the above comment, I guess.

 

[Jimmae]

Don’t blame the cats - The rule change was there for everyone to see yet the cats were the only team good enough to thoroughly explore that option.

Oliver is looking like a similar opportunity - and it looks like the rest of the competition may end up watching the cats do a similar deal

Oliver is only a similar opportunity if the Dees aren't paying half his salary, and he wasn't radioactive.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

I reckon the pies will be all over Oliver.

 

[4thchicken]

Oliver is only a similar opportunity if the Dees aren't paying half his salary, and he wasn't radioactive.

He is a similar opportunity purely based on $ for picks.

Given length of contract the Oliver salary trade should be worth an early future 1st + change (future 2nd/3rd) given longer contract than Bowes + higher value.

IMO I’d be happy to pay that to cover off walker + improved draft hand in future (opportunity to package the dees future 2nd/3rd with our ones to move up the draft)

 

[blue healer]

9th 3rd 8th 11th is actually correct

Ahh that's so much better, a moot point I know but we were only two W/C percentage boosters away from 13th this year.

 

[Treesloth]

Don’t blame the cats - The rule change was there for everyone to see yet the cats were the only team good enough to thoroughly explore that option.

Oliver is looking like a similar opportunity - and it looks like the rest of the competition may end up watching the cats do a similar deal

Not blaming Geelong at all — I actually said credit to them for seeing and acting on the opportunity. My issue is with the AFL essentially allowing a perennial top-four side to “buy” their way into the top end of the draft (and get a player) as a way of bailing out Gold Coast’s list mismanagement.

 

[4thchicken]

Regarding Oliver salary dump and future 1st - imo Dees are unlikely to move up the ladder in 26. That would make the base value of a salary dump pick 5 in 2026 + whatever else we could get.

That might be enough to cover off Walker bid whilst retaining our 2026 1st round pick (say about 8-10 range).

In a much stronger draft is the money worth it? (Assuming Oliver doesn’t play a game) - imo I would take that deal - particularly if the change is a future 2nd ie early 20s pick

 

[Treesloth]

Funnily enough, Geelong didn’t do much out of that trade anyway.

Jhye Clarke (used with the 1st they got from GC) isn’t much and Jack Bowes wasn’t much when they made the trade and they even spread his ridiculous contract over four years. So they are keeping an average player on their list for two more years than they otherwise would have.

In fact, both played in the GF and did nothing of note. So two GF spots were essentially wasted thanks to the trade with GC. Geelong definitely didn’t come out winners in that trade.

Agree at this point, but Clark still only 21. Still not a bad deal for them though - they get a pretty handy senior player and good draft pick (regardless of end result) at the expense of some salary cap space and third rounder or something.

 

[4thchicken]

Not blaming Geelong at all — I actually said credit to them for seeing and acting on the opportunity. My issue is with the AFL essentially allowing a perennial top-four side to “buy” their way into the top end of the draft (and get a player) as a way of bailing out Gold Coast’s list mismanagement.

I think the rule was designed the other way around - In theory it should be much easier for bottom sides to buy extra picks given they are likely to have more salary cap flexibility.

 

[Bronze]

Florent as a stand alone deal is probably a pick 40-50. He ain't no carrot.

 

[gbatman]

Oliver, 28, looks as if he has played his best football, brings no point of difference to our midfield, game is favouring quick players who are good kicks. Brings a lot of baggage. We have just sent Hollands packing. Doubt we even consider him. Was a good footballer, good fit for a club contending next year, we probably are in 2027 only if all goes perfectly for us.

For the cost, pass.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

He is a similar opportunity purely based on $ for picks.

Given length of contract the Oliver salary trade should be worth an early future 1st + change (future 2nd/3rd) given longer contract than Bowes + higher value.

IMO I’d be happy to pay that to cover off walker + improved draft hand in future (opportunity to package the dees future 2nd/3rd with our ones to move up the draft)

So we take on his salary in return for them giving us an F1 or two and then we can send him off on a holiday so he's not causing trouble around the club?

 

[Hammerjudd]

Could we look at Jayden Short

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Jayden Short

Age

29

Ht

178cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

13.3

5star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

430.8

5star

D

19.0

4star

K

14.1

5star

HB

4.9

3star

M

6.3

5star

T

0.8

1star

MG

447.1

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.4

2star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

185.2

3star

as a small defender with a good kick on him

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Blight's name gets mentioned a fair bit, but I'm tipping he ends up at Collingwood or even the Dogs, where there'd be more of a career pathway at his age

Tom Morris @tommorris32

Collingwood met with former Richmond tall Jacob Blight today.

The 23-year-old played 10 games for the Tigers before being delisted a month ago

 

[circusdevil]

Melbourne aren't giving a pick away with Oliver. They are paying a chunk of his salary so as to get picks in. They don't have a first rounder this year and it looks like they want one via Trac/Oliver

 

[BIuebagger]

Florent as a stand alone deal is probably a pick 40-50. He ain't no carrot.

Agree here mostly. They’ve essentially devalued him the past year. Cox doesn’t seem to be in favour of him (16 games is his second least amount of games in a season compared to his 9 in his first season in 2017). Would be surprised if the Swans say he’s worth a pick in the 20s for eg.

Tell Syd he’s a seperate entity to the Charlie trade and place that boundary in discussions from the start. Hayward, Campbell etc are it

 

[RPCB]

So I guess no info about next years new FS rules? Boy, I hope they announce those before this years draft lol.

 

[carlton_99]

So I guess no info about next years new FS rules? Boy, I hope they announce those before this years draft lol.

AFL dragging it out as usual. Just pathetic

 

[Blue__Balls]

If all we turn TDK, Charlie, Jack, and the next two drafts into is pick 2, Chesser, Dean, Ison, Reidy, Khamis, Florent, and Walker, then people need to be fired.

That's incompetent.

Only if they throw in reading comprehension classes for you, because I was clear that Sydney would be trading out a younger key in the same deal, improving the offer for West Coast to roughly a top 10 pick downgrade for 3 players and our future 2nd.

Meanwhile you're celebrating net transfers like the above as a victory? Jog on.

It's almost as if they need good players and the top 30 of the draft has genuine quality, so I see either deal as bad for them, particularly the one you've suggested.

They have to trade 4 out of their 7 first rounders, so I'm happy to bank capital that we can turn into great picks or push further down the line.

May also solidify that 2027 is a strong crop of other clubs have strong academy chances that year so they will clamor for the pick in the 2026 off-season, in which case we have the option of trading back into the 2026 draft.

Burton isn't particularly physical and doesn't really help us given our defensive depth outside of ready made key defenders.

Finlayson would be great, but his mind is rightfully elsewhere and he needs to be with his family.

Doesn't win enough footy, and manages 6-10 games a year. I'd be stunned if anyone took the punt.

In a publicly-traded company Swann would see trading get halted and his board firing him for this.

What the **** kind of business are the AFL devolving into? Time for professional sports clubs above a certain revenue threshold to pay company tax and get this calibre of corporate thug out of the upper echelons of the business. Unreal.


I think us taking Florent sweetens the deal for Sydney, if anything, it's the Campbell part they'd baulk at initially until they realise they're not really giving a fair draft hand for Charlie.

Doubt it will be zero, unfortunately probably in a range where we've already earmarked currency for others, but perhaps.

I'll back him on draft eve too... this time of year he's no good, years ago he shifted from early phantoms to his own rating list, and that's the correct call for any draft commentator really unless they want to do proper list analysis.

But they don't get paid enough for that so he's covering other stories, and the part timers produce other content or have jobs.

No more talk about this until after the combine at least.

Weitering, Saad, Newman, Cowan, and Hollands all take kickouts. Carroll would have no issue, not Wilson, or others. What is this half-cocked nonsense?

See the above comment, I guess.

Might need to book a "meeting" in my calendar to get through this whole post, but I'm just gonna briefly touch on this point:

If all we turn TDK, Charlie, Jack, and the next two drafts into is pick 2, Chesser, Dean, Ison, Reidy, Khamis, Florent, and Walker, then people need to be fired.

I don't think that's as bad as you're making it out to be.

We're getting unders for TDK as he's a free agent, we're getting probable unders for JSOS as well as he's a free agent (arguable, but I reckon in this draft we'd have been able to squeeze more than what is effectively an early second rounder). Both of these are beyond our control.

Our natural first and second rounders already got us a decent chunk of Jagga Smith.

We're somewhat hampered in our ability to secure free agents this year, but should be in a good position to hit the free agency market in 2025.

Dean is a top 10 prospect. Walker is a probable top 3 prospect next year. Chesser is a former first round pick. Florent is a former first round pick with almost 200 games to his name and 5-8 years ahead of him.

Charlie + forced unders for TDK and JSOS + two mid table drafts
for
Two elite top 3 picks (Jagga/Walker), a top 10 KPP pick (Dean), an NGA kid with the right skills (Ison), a walk-up best 22 with the right skills in Florent, two borderline best 22 players with upside and the right skills in Chesser and Khamis, a depth ruck in Reidy...plus whatever free agent(s) we can target next year.

For a mid table side - that's not terrible. I reckon the only way it could have been better is if we were to find a way to force a more beneficial trade for TDK, but that was gonna be tough with the way it all played out.

 

[ctwenty1]

So I guess no info about next years new FS rules? Boy, I hope they announce those before this years draft lol.

its actually beyond a joke

shoudl definitely be done pre FA, unless they are going to alter the FA compensation because the AFL will be going quite hard on F/S ie eg carlton dont whinge about the F/S changes because we have given you two band 1 picks for TDK and JSOS

idk - this is the problem with the AFL's makey upey approach, lack of professionalism and lack of communication