Rumour Bluemour Discussion XL - ‘Silly Season’ in full swing 😱

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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[The Bighouse]

let's not sell ourselves short....

We get a Humphrey in the door, we're definitely top 8 bound.... we made a prelim only 2 years ago.

Reckon our big guns won't be excited by the addition of Humphrey and maybe Haywood?

Cripps, Weiters, Harry, Walshy, Cerra - all had poor seasons by their own lofty standards (for a host of different reasons).

Can't see that repeating in unison?

Kemp, Smith, Newman - add a lot to our best 22... Kemp may take a bit more time to get going...

Just need to make sure the other guys coming in (the B, C grader types) are a level up on the blokes we're culling or trading... reckon Chesser will surprise many....

And given EH's obvious talents, I'd like to see the Club try to get him to resolve his issues...

As long as everyone has practiced their execution.
Deep breaths, here comes some composure..

 

[The Bighouse]

Are Charlie’s next 4 years of football worth more to Carlton than Humphrey’s next 12?

He is worth overs to GC for the same reason Charlie is worth overs to us; contracted on unders, marquee player, output should improve next year.

There is a chance Humphrey becomes a better footballer in as little as 12 months. I wouldn’t bet on it myself but he just came 4th in their BnF. Hes not a Hayward or Florent he’s a genuine star.

Tipping they end up being traded for a similar price.

The cost of a premiership tilt. The now is more valuable.

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[Dramoth]

No Dean bid for Silvagni.

I wonder if the AFL is going to wander down to Linton St and check the Aint’s books.

 

[The Bighouse]

I suspect we are actively tanking at this point. Again, there is a lot to play out but we seem to be actively cutting depth and not really active in replacing it.

I guess they feel there is no choice after last year's disaster of an off-season (and clearing house on too many veterans and leaving the team uncompetitive, while simultaneously trading the farm to add two players who have both done their ACLs is an all-time disaster, whichever way you look at it).

so now the approach seems to have flipped completely into a fully charged tank/rebuild before Tassie enter?

I suspect internally the thinking is something like:

• add absolute minimum this season - Dean, Ison, and cheap filler (Khamis, Reidy), stockpile a late first-round or two next year.
• clear out even more salary/veterans - Curnow, TDK, SOS, Acres (now rumoured to WC), etc.
• retain somewhat unpopular, veteran coach as sacrificial lamb. He's a decent enough motivator to keep the young guys happy and can then cop the flak (and protect the board from criticism, which is our club's #1 goal).
• tank next season, drop into bottom 2.
• lose Walsh to FA next year (no way he sticks around if things go that badly...) = another first round pick as compensation
• Further clear the decks next year - Cripps is out of contract, not sure who else but by that stage the big deals are all gone.

2026 draft = potentially get picks 2 and 3, THEN get Walker (with Swans pick and other later choices). Tanking not only gets us draft pick (and compo pick) ahead of Walker, but drastically reduces the points required to match him (ie: a bid at 2 costs 2481 points, a bid at pick 4 is only 1962, which can be matched with picks 14 and 15).

2027 season = we are terrible again = despite Tassie, we will still get a top 5 pick (ie: if we are 17th then we get pick 4). Quite a strong case for a priority pick mounts (although more likely 2028... the AFL won't want to dilute the Tassie draft more). Tassie also have to trade out 3 of their top 11 picks, and we'll be in the mix for those as well.

By end 2027 I guess we can add 5-7 draft picks to go with the very young core of role players we carried this year (we had 18 players 22 and under...)

It's the complete opposite of any strategy that has 'worked' in about two decades, but that is pretty standard fare for us at this point.

Possible change in FA compo coming up, so not as high-end pick for the departed. Pick in the teens if not traded.

 

[Benaly28]

Told Steele to f…off so they could get in Flanders very vanilla.

 

[btdg]

I reckon we can win the flag next year. I can't believe so many people are talking bottom 4 let alone bottom 2. Very pessimistic. Being positive has served me very well over the years so who knows, maybe I'm just a dreamer

TBH, I was optimistic a month or so ago, even after predicting we would slide this year (I mean, that was pretty obvious when we let 5-6 players go without replacement, then had Newman and Jagga go down pre-season).

I had thought the strategy was to quickly reboot, get a bunch of youngsters in, replace TDK cheaply with a ruck, and instead use the cap space to add some key pieces that could help us stay up.

However, the departure of SOS, potentially Curnow, potentially Hollands, potentially Acres, to move on Cincotta and the complete lack of replacements coming in suggests a shift in strategy. We are going to be very, very young next year - probably younger than Richmond and maybe even West Coast.

let's not sell ourselves short....

We get a Humphrey in the door, we're definitely top 8 bound.... we made a prelim only 2 years ago.

Reckon our big guns won't be excited by the addition of Humphrey and maybe Haywood?

Cripps, Weiters, Harry, Walshy, Cerra - all had poor seasons by their own lofty standards (for a host of different reasons).

Can't see that repeating in unison?

Kemp, Smith, Newman - add a lot to our best 22... Kemp may take a bit more time to get going...

Just need to make sure the other guys coming in (the B, C grader types) are a level up on the blokes we're culling or trading... reckon Chesser will surprise many....

And given EH's obvious talents, I'd like to see the Club try to get him to resolve his issues...

The list that made a prelim two years ago had 32 players aged 22 and above (ie: the core group of mature players - the only two under 22 who actually contributed that year were Motlop and Hollands).

Depending on what happens with Curnow, Acres and McGovern (currently up in the air) we may go into next year with 19 of those 32 players no longer on the list.

Two retired, but bascically we began a full rebuild after the siren of that match, for some reason. Regardless, that preliminary final list no longer exists.

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[The Bighouse]

Hopefully Ned asked for more coin to match the ESS offer.

Clubs need to put in lowball offers for Marshall & Steele, STK will need their salaries off the books with the influx of highly paid players.

 

[The Bighouse]

TBH, I was optimistic a month or so ago, even after predicting we would slide this year (I mean, that was pretty obvious when we let 5-6 players go without replacement, then had Newman and Jagga go down pre-season).

I had thought the strategy was to quickly reboot, get a bunch of youngsters in, replace TDK cheaply with a ruck, and instead use the cap space to add some key pieces that could help us stay up.

However, the departure of SOS, potentially Curnow, potentially Hollands, potentially Acres, to move on Cincotta and the complete lack of replacements coming in suggests a shift in strategy. We are going to be very, very young next year - probably younger than Richmond and maybe even West Coast.



The list that made a prelim two years ago had 32 players aged 22 and above (ie: the core group of mature players - the only two under 22 who actually contributed that year were Motlop and Hollands).

Depending on what happens with Curnow, Acres and McGovern (currently up in the air) we may go into next year with 19 of those 32 players no longer on the list.

Two retired, but bascically we began a full rebuild after the siren of that match, for some reason. Regardless, that preliminary final list no longer exists.

Can you provide any commentary on the Acres move??

 

[El Topo]

TBH, I was optimistic a month or so ago, even after predicting we would slide this year (I mean, that was pretty obvious when we let 5-6 players go without replacement, then had Newman and Jagga go down pre-season).

I had thought the strategy was to quickly reboot, get a bunch of youngsters in, replace TDK cheaply with a ruck, and instead use the cap space to add some key pieces that could help us stay up.

However, the departure of SOS, potentially Curnow, potentially Hollands, potentially Acres, to move on Cincotta and the complete lack of replacements coming in suggests a shift in strategy. We are going to be very, very young next year - probably younger than Richmond and maybe even West Coast.



The list that made a prelim two years ago had 32 players aged 22 and above (ie: the core group of mature players - the only two under 22 who actually contributed that year were Motlop and Hollands).

Depending on what happens with Curnow, Acres and McGovern (currently up in the air) we may go into next year with 19 of those 32 players no longer on the list.

Two retired, but bascically we began a full rebuild after the siren of that match, for some reason. Regardless, that preliminary final list no longer exists.

We broke into finals after an extended period in the wilderness, learned the limits of the playing list and are now dropping back for a couple of seasons to re-tool. Not dissimilar to most premiership sides this century.

 

[The Bighouse]

We broke into finals after an extended period in the wilderness, learned the limits of the playing list and are now dropping back for a couple of seasons to re-tool. No different to most premiership sides this century.

But unfort about to be reamed with draft changes on the dip, which may prolong the swing..

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I've seen this valuation of Humphrey for a few hours now, and if the club is reading this, I want to be very clear: **** that.

Do not make that deal, do not even entertain it. There is no valuation of Humphrey where that makes any sense. He would have to transform into a star midfielder for that to make sense.

That deal is horrifically bad for the future of this football club and helps neither Voss nor any reboot or rebuild.

 

[Stickitupthem]

Wrapped the no discussion thread is quiet even though I keep waiting for the next inside info
Are we cursed or what
bris and pies bulldogs etc etc get father sons in fir nothing and we get shafted every f time including new bench rules when Tdk leaves unbelievable
Thx god I have the storm to get my appetite wet

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[marcmurphy3]

We broke into finals after an extended period in the wilderness, learned the limits of the playing list and are now dropping back for a couple of seasons to re-tool. Not dissimilar to most premiership sides this century.

I think the reality is 2020 to 2025 should have been our window with the age profile of our list. We just didnt make anything of it aside from that run in 23. Mainly comes down to 3 things to me:

1) Silvagni blowing to many picks, particularly mids.
2) Poor coach choices in Teague then Voss
3) Inability to keep our best players on the park

Now our profile is at a place, where we could go hard like the Pies to keep the window open, with the risk of tumbling right down the ladder if things dont work out. Or reset over the next couple of years to give ourselves another extended run.

Looks like we are doing the latter which I think is the right choice. This senior playing group have given us no reason to double down on them.

 

[Michael Jezz]

At this stage..

I can’t help but feel, at rock bottom with the club. Of course I’ll reassess after trade week.

We had all this great hope that Graham Wright, was some great agent of change.

IMO. We kept Voss

• We must of struggled to attract any decent assistant. Our coaching group seems to have come out worse.
• We haven’t lost players throughout the dark times, but now they want out TDK (money), JSOS (wanted out), Curnow (wants out)

I’ll wait until after trade week to assess the list, but not holding great hope, it’s going to be better than this years.

Judge wright on 2027. 2026 and preseason 2027 are rebuilding years

 

[Red Bull]

There’s a bit of chicken little there

It’s all the supporters fault …

 

[manang magoos]

I wonder if the AFL is going to wander down to Linton St and check the Aint’s books.

AFL response nothing to see here
We need aints in finals

 

[Snapper was right]

Wrapped the no discussion thread is quiet even though I keep waiting for the next inside info

Agree: The less leaks the better IMO!

 

[Blue and Silver]

Saints got to trade in Aleer and Ryan as well.

Long road ahead for Saints fans as they insist Ryan is a future 3rd and Aleer is worth a pick upgrade in the 60's

 

[RPCB]

Saints got to trade in Aleer and Ryan as well.

Long road ahead for Saints fans as they insist Ryan is a future 3rd and Aleer is worth a pick upgrade in the 60's

And long road ahead for the rest of us as well.

The majority of the trades will be completed in the first 2-3 days, but announced in the last 1-2 days. An AFL tradition.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Wrapped the no discussion thread is quiet even though I keep waiting for the next inside info
Are we cursed or what
bris and pies bulldogs etc etc get father sons in fir nothing and we get shafted every f time including new bench rules when Tdk leaves unbelievable
Thx god I have the storm to get my appetite wet

I cannot believe after Carlton getting official viewing of TDKs contract as a restricted free agent more than 24 hours ago we already dont know exactly what it is.

flipping lift you supposed ITKs…

 

[mrkyuss]

Extra pick for GC probably suits us if any interest still in Curnow. Also can’t imagine Petracca is worth Bear and pick 7.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Extra pick for GC probably suits us if any interest still in Curnow. Also can’t imagine Petracca is worth Bear and pick 7.

Then possibly back to Melbourne? Who could well use Dean