List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[billings2paddy]

Bulldogs fans popping up in the Liam Ryan thread saying he's worth pick 18.

Clearly not over Wilkie.

And JSOS

 

[StCicatriz]

SDK would be more of a Howard replacement, would fit alongside SOS and Aleer.

and wilkie? thats 4 talls.

 

[Falchoon]

Doing a bad achilles injury isn't forgetting how to play footy. Weird take imho.

Been a lot of players along the journey who weren't the same after an achilles injury.

who are some others?

I remember the killer of Ben Paton's career Roughead wasn't the same.

 

[Donflicted]

who are some others?

I remember the killer of Ben Paton's career Roughead wasn't the same.

Likely you can add Draper to the list in the near future

 

[Sainter62]

No. That was there offer for Flanders

thanks Stav. It was your use of "got" that threw me

 

[Sainter62]

dont see the SDK need at all. after getting aleer and SOS.

prefer sdk to aleer. Maybe SOS could pivot (not good faith but)

 

[austinnn]

Steele to Essendon for Pick 29.
Pick 29 + Marshall to Geelong for their Pick 18 + Future 1st.


Death ride Geelong all 2026.

Don't like the prospect of death riding Geelong, who typically start weak and come into finals strong. Especially with Marshall

 

[sammm]

This, to me is the proper way to look at it.

Look at the trading in its entirety when a trade is not exactly as you required. Pick 7 for Flanders? We haven't seen the full trade, still might be something coming back or as projecttv mentioned a token pick for Ainsworth.

Will anyone complain if we end up with
TDK - no draft capital
JSOS - no draft capital
Flanders - pick 7, overs maybe
Aleer - pick swaps
Ryan - pick swaps
Ainsworth - token pick

Roh - overs because contracted
Steele - fair as we told him to look around

Would people melt? Really we have limited draft capital and have up to four players to trade for.

As long as we have the capital to get Fincher and we keep F1, who cares?

Four clubs wanted Flanders and people are quibbling over some second rounder - lol

I havent heard anything good re Ben Ainsworth.

 

[hangdog]

Inside the negotiation with Cal

"Come on, leave St Kilda!"
"No."
"I'll be your friend!"
"No."
"Aw, you're mean!"

 

[SaintersUnite]

Apparently Gresham told to look elsewhere

Bring him homeeeee

 

[westernsainter]

No chance he finds a 3rd club. Essendon might just pay him out.

Man we had some promising players really fizzle out badly over the last 15 years.

Like really quality 22 year olds that just forgot how to play footy by 26. I've never seen anything like it.

We were absolutely dire at developing talent when he came through the door. I reckon there are a stack of what-ifs we had at the club around that time.

 

[austinnn]

It's strange. Or when their teams ladder position makes them an expert on all things football and people who follow teams down the bottom must know nothing.

Every supporter group has informed fans and idiot fans, as evidenced by this board.

FIFY

 

[Moquo]

again done deal no take backs

A Gresh is for life, not just for trade week

 

[The_Steadier]

so you guys want Gresh back with all that cap room

how dare you infer this professional didn't have a clue

 

[Armoooo]

Doing a bad achilles injury isn't forgetting how to play footy. Weird take imho.

Been a lot of players along the journey who weren't the same after an achilles injury.

He did his achilles in 2021. He returned to have his best statistical year in 2022. His last 3 years have been absolute trash.

Suggesting that his achilles was what has caused him to regress in all but his comeback year is an even weirder take IMO.

 

[Sainter62]

I'm a bit sad for him. Was an impressive player before the OP.

achilles rupture did him in??

 

[stavro#4]

This made me chuckle. So I did some research. 12 months ago…

 

[hangdog]

Just don't look towards Moorabbin!!

No but think about it. They trade him back for a late 3rd rounder and pay ⅔ of his salary and we just keep him as depth. That would be delicious.

 

[Armoooo]

We were absolutely dire at developing talent when he came through the door. I reckon there are a stack of what-ifs we had at the club around that time.

I have the misfortune of following two sporting teams closely. St Kilda and the Philadelphia 76ers.

I said I've never seen anything like saints players forgetting how to play, but that wasn't true. Philadelphia had back to back number 1 picks in Ben Simmons and Markelle Fultz and they both also literally forgot how to play.

I wonder why I bother following sport sometimes.

 

[stavro#4]

Ruckman Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

wants to go to Geelong but St Kilda are prepared to keep him if there isn't a satisfactory deal, while as yet there are no offers for Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

.

 

[TheJackal]

I wonder what it would take to convince Giants to come out and say Leek's price is a first rounder so that we can say sorry guys his cost is too much? Steele on the cheap maybe?

 

[True Believer]

No chance he finds a 3rd club. Essendon might just pay him out.

Man we had some promising players really fizzle out badly over the last 15 years.

Like really quality 22 year olds that just forgot how to play footy by 26. I've never seen anything like it.

Scientifically, it's known as the "Richo Effect".......


"G'day Saints fans!"


....AAAAHHHHHHHHH..........

 

[Moquo]

I have the misfortune of following two sporting teams closely. St Kilda and the Philadelphia 76ers.

I said I've never seen anything like saints players forgetting how to play, but that wasn't true. Philadelphia had back to back number 1 picks in Ben Simmons and Markelle Fultz and they both also literally forgot how to play.

I wonder why I bother following sport sometimes.

Couldn't you just follow whorethorn for a couple of years?

 

[StCicatriz]

is purple on drugs. his made up deal for the marshall trade was literally the stupidest shit ive heard since nathan brown

22

Nathan Brown

Age

36

Ht

196cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.4

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

was on there. what utter trash.

 

[Linton Street Saint]

He did his achilles in 2021. He returned to have his best statistical year in 2022. His last 3 years have been absolute trash.

Suggesting that his achilles was what has caused him to regress in all but his comeback year is an even weirder take IMO.

I'd reckon the rest of his career as opposed to one year 'statistically' is the greater sample size.

Post surgery he had no penetration on his boot and couldn't kick over a jam tin. More importantly lost ALOT of agility and sideways movement in his game.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.