Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[weltschmerz]

Are there any VFL/SA/WA full backs worth a risk? Anyone know?

The VFL team of the year full back might be worth a look, some bloke named Ryan Gardner

 

[grassman75]

It’s 9.49am and Butters hasn’t requested a trade to us yet..

Perhaps he is just sleeping in.

Public holiday in Qld….thats why

 

[grassman75]

We shouldn’t count on the family factor.

Pay them what they’re worth.

Darcy is different though I reckon

 

[weltschmerz]

Are there any VFL/SA/WA full backs worth a risk? Anyone know?

On a serious note, there's a bloke named Elijah Scoble in WA, only 20 and was in the WAFL team of the year, plus third in his team's B&F behind two former AFL players. Don't know anything much about him but his name came up when I was looking around.

 

[grassman75]

Fiorini to dons

Bloke must love losing

 

[wian]

Club is absolutely insane delisting Jones. Absolute madness.

 

[DannyB4]

Are there any VFL/SA/WA full backs worth a risk? Anyone know?

There's one I think. Not sure what his name is but he just won the VFL premiership and was in the VFL TOTY. I think he's contracted though...

 

[DannyB4]

Club is absolutely insane delisting Jones. Absolute madness.

Whats the point of keeping someone on the list if they're not going to get a game at all.

 

[BLACAE]

There is a 200cm Curtain up this year who might be an option. Looks a beast of a kid and if he's competitive like his brother, maybe turn him into a FB.

 

[manutd/dogs]

sO DO i

soE doo eYie

 

[Doggies7]

Club is absolutely insane delisting Jones. Absolute madness.

By the sounds of the reports before the end of the season, it was mutual as Jones wanted to go somewhere he could play regular games. So he wasn't happy just to re-sign and sit in the VFL again, otherwise he would probably be in limbo now like JJ and Coffield etc.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

All this doom and gloom, can I remind everyone that our premiership backline comprised of a Geelong and Sydney rookie rejects and two rookies picks in Boyd and Morris. Saints got Wilkie, who we were prepared to pay over for as a rookie pick.

I like the look of both Selwood and Walker, and natural development in JOD, Buss doing his first full preseason.

Let’s not forget we didn’t lose to any bottom 10 teams, we in fact systematically smashed them, and our biggest loss was a paltry 22 points.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

I doubt that, even though he does seem to have been in a few conflicts, I think he will probably try to pull his head in a bit and finish his career on a high.

If you put the 2025 version of Steven May into our side this year, I think we would have gone deep into finals and potentially have held up the premiership cup. The same could happen next year and we wouldn't have to risk\give up much to get him.

All we need is the willingness\ability to accommodate a slightly different personality type for a year or two, is that too much to ask?

Agree so much

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

who says no?

Dogs 32 and future 1st to carlton for 9 and future 3rd.

Win win

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I get the feeling that May would not be popular with our players, including previous Melbourne players.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Zac Butters trade categorically shut down by Port.

I know lots of people say this, pls don't shoot the messenger.

They will always say that. Also said he loves it there a f they are looking at ten years of him. Biggest lies this time of year. Esp when one goose says we have contacted one players manager or player then the next robot frim.the same club says they have not.

 

[ossie_21]

I get the feeling that May would not be popular with our players, including previous Melbourne players.

I don’t think it will happen regardless. But I recall that after the 2021 GF that was unfortunately abandoned about halfway through the 3rd quarter, some Bulldogs players happened to go to the same nightclub that the Demons were at.

There was a little bit of tension that I’m pretty sure I read about that was instigated by May.

 

[dergert]

St. Kilda making a play for Sam De Konning.. one year after we tried

 

[threenewpadlocks]

You can probably look back at the Hawthorn board's feelings in 2018 about losing the bloke we're replacing with Budarick, and see similar thoughts.

Small/medium defensive-oriented defender is probably the position that's hardest to rate from the stands. A lot of value not only comes from ability to follow instructions and adhere to structures, but also the intangibles of reading play, blocking space, concentration and repeat efforts - things that often require an AFL industry analyst watching the behind the goal plays.

There's a reason that Budarick has been rushed back around injuries over the last few years - because he's an best-22-in-a-finals-team quality player. He's not a star obviously but we're going to get the 300th (or whatever) best footballer for next to nothing, who plays a position that we're lacking.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I doubt that, even though he does seem to have been in a few conflicts, I think he will probably try to pull his head in a bit and finish his career on a high.

If you put the 2025 version of Steven May into our side this year, I think we would have gone deep into finals and potentially have held up the premiership cup. The same could happen next year and we wouldn't have to risk\give up much to get him.

All we need is the willingness\ability to accommodate a slightly different personality type for a year or two, is that too much to ask?

This argument is predicated on an expectation we'd get 2025 May and not 2026 May. For much of the same reasons we moved Jones on there's every possibility that age related decline has May at nowhere near AFL standard next year. Not just "has weaknesses", but "this bloke's body is failing, and even when he's fit, he just doesn't have the power and energy to play in the AFL any more".

 

[Dogs Rule]

Yes, that's a fair call. Although I wouldn't describe any of their posts as being bitter or vindictive in tone...more observational. I compare it to the Carlton board's reaction to the departure of Kennedy last year, which was pretty much universal regret.

I just look at the fact that he played 19 games in a very good side, including two finals, and in one of those finals kicked two goals.

Pretty handy.

 

[DiamondDogs8]

Given the price and sub-standard quality of this years top 10, I don’t see a need for us to trade up in the draft.

Dovaston or Farrow at our current pick excites me just as much as anyone who would be available 4/5/6 selections earlier.

 

[Proffessor]

This argument is predicated on an expectation we'd get 2025 May and not 2026 May. For much of the same reasons we moved Jones on there's every possibility that age related decline has May at nowhere near AFL standard next year. Not just "has weaknesses", but "this bloke's body is failing, and even when he's fit, he just doesn't have the power and energy to play in the AFL any more".

No, it isn't.

He may decline quickly, he may not. No one can guarantee what the future holds. However May has been a pretty durable performer and the chances are reasonable that he will be able to maintain an appropriate level of performance for us if we get him.

And for the record, Jones didn't exactly drop off, we didn't give him the chance. We took a gamble on Buss and\or JOD replacing him adequately and they came up short at senior level at the business end of the season, not Jones. JOD had a decent season and earned his spot, but Buss was selected in front of Jones, in a strange decision that backfired.

 

[doggiesin08]

I think the AFL has now got some restrictions around signing a player on a short contract for free agency purposes and then the contract being restructured to be longer but we could potentially offer a 1 year 5 million contract that is then spread out after he comes across. If Port do match that then the following year he is a free agent again and we offer the same contract. Port isn't going to be matching that too many times before they let him go.

I don’t think it’s a restriction; I think they just factor total contract value (impacted by # of years) into the formula for compensation purposes. It’s to stop the recipient club from structuring the deal for the benefit of the prior club (better compensation); but gamesmanship between non-colluding clubs should still be allowed.

 

[Proffessor]

I get the feeling that May would not be popular with our players, including previous Melbourne players.

If he helps us win, he will be popular enough.

They don't have to be best mates; they just need to do their jobs.