List Mgmt. 2025 List Management

[serial_thrilla]

 

[ep2018]

By the eagles no less!

We wont bid on him. Just dont bid on Tylah Williams...

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Jump back on.

3 new pages on here over losing value on some picks in a shit draft.
1 new post over yet another nepo hire.

You guys clearly have shit priorities and don't care about success.

One of them I have historical and mathematical evidence to gauge to be a gigantic shit sandwich. I have no idea how good a coach Mayne is, how is that more melt worthy

 

[mattis117]

Strong strawman argument. Im not arguing to win everything. I actively dont argue to win everything acknowledging its about the net outcome on trades multiple times over the years.

Ive explained it enough without even getting into the fact that they did this trade day 2 of trade period rather than wait it out for an uncontracted player.

I am staggered anyone who has any interest in trades and list management does not think it matters and its fine as it stands. Like I said, im now more angry/confused/bewildered with those on here who thinks its fine than the trade itself.

If the trade is updated before it goes through tomorrow I'll redirect my anger from the club to Twomey and I'll apologise to everyone of you I argued with if at any time this trade period another club trades down the higher pick for LESS points.

You're answering for yourself. You don't know the full picture and you're admitting to going early. So you have to ask yourself why you haven't quit yet.

Most years everyone knows that picks in the 60s are trash. It may just be the case that this year that has come in to picks in the late 30s.

I'm not even making arguments, just pointing out how this disbelief that others are not upset is built upon posits that are likely false.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You're answering for yourself. You don't know the full picture and you're admitting to going early. So you have to ask yourself why you haven't quit yet.

Most years everyone knows that picks in the 60s are trash. It may just be the case that this year that has come in to picks in the late 30s.

I'm not even making arguments, just pointing out how this disbelief that others are not upset is built upon posits that are likely false.

No, you win some trades, you lose others each year to get a net result. We have done OK with McVee and done a turdburger pick swap so far. Given there is no other player we have been linked to and ironically have little currency then I fail to see how we can come back out ahead. Am I allowed to be angry at the end of trade period?

When are we allowed to be pissed off at a list manager mistake? 5 years down the track when we can all cry "hindsight hero"? Never? None of us know enough so just say we know nothing and leave it be?

 

[Tbonefreo]

Yep, close er up Freo mods, the club that has achieved one GF appearance in 30 years is above criticism. No need for a discussion forum when we can all just meet at Cockburn, hold hands and sing kumbaya together.

Geez you're salty tonight snuff

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Geez you're salty tonight snuff

They were about the 4th person to indirectly tell me it doesnt matter and I should be fine with the trade. Pushed me over the edge

 

[Sewell21]

Hey guys, what do you think of the trade we did to help Starcevich get to WCE?









/s

 

[mattis117]

No, you win some trades, you lose others each year to get a net result. We have done OK with McVee and done a turdburger pick swap so far. Given there is no other player we have been linked to and ironically have little currency then I fail to see how we can come back out ahead. Am I allowed to be angry at the end of trade period?

When are we allowed to be pissed off at a list manager mistake? 5 years down the track when we can all cry "hindsight hero"? Never? None of us know enough so just say we know nothing and leave it be?

Sorry, I'm just like a moth to a flame shit stirring people being upset over things that I consider to be meaningless in the broader context. You're of course welcome to be pissed off and demanding better.

Again, it's only a turd burger trade if you view it through a pick value lens. You do not know what Freo are planning for the draft, so your evaluation is something that you and other people on the outside have concocted based on pick value, while fully knowing that the pick value system only applicable to bid matching and this is highly flawed as it does not account for the cliffs that occur within the draft.

If you knew for a fact that the best player you're going to get at 30 and beyond is Devon Robertson for example, then you would feel very different to this trade.

There is this undercurrent that somehow we should have gotten value for 33, but if all clubs know the draft is trash below pick 30, then pick 33 literally has zero value! You can't buy anything with money that has no value!

 

[Joao]

They were about the 4th person to indirectly tell me it doesnt matter and I should be fine with the trade. Pushed me over the edge

What you're not getting is that McVee is probably better than whomever we could pick at 12. It's not hard snuff...

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

What you're not getting is that McVee is probably better than whomever we could pick at 12. It's not hard snuff...

Stahp, they'll think you're serious...

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The only reason I'm not angry/upset about this is because I'm absolutely baffled


This is simply a trade that makes 0 sense

Upgrading 10 spots in the second round for a 7 spot drop in the first round makes absolutely 0 sense
AND we then go on to downgrade our third round pick 2 spots, so we have lost component 1 by a margin and then added something on top, crazy bad
AND we then throw in pick 50 as a bonus.

It defies logic

There isn't a single redeeming thing about the trade, I 100% see why Snuff is going so hard over it, its genuinely illogical

Illogical is probably at the heart of it with my accounting and audit background. The trade is illogical, people justifying it is illogical and my brain does not compute

 

[fnerd]

We wont bid on him. Just dont bid on Tylah Williams...

Im guessing this would’ve been part of dialogue during the trade discussion

 

[guidodp15]

Illogical is probably at the heart of it with my accounting and audit background. The trade is illogical, people justifying is illogical and my brain does not compute

I finish my accounting degree in may. Can you get me a grad job?

 

[ubiquitous226]

Illogical is probably at the heart of it with my accounting and audit background. The trade is illogical, people justifying is illogical and my brain does not compute

I think you have to look at it through the lens that it unlocked the McVee trade.
I think it was some smart trading we managed to get the right second round pick and still keep a first rounder.

 

[Cobbler]

This will be one of those ‘We could’ve had Farrow’ hindsight type trades.

He’ll go on to win 3 Norm Smith medals by 25 and our pick 19 will be some knob who ironically wishes to go back home in 2028 and nets us pick 34 when Melbourne go ‘We have nothing else’

 

[mattis117]

Illogical is probably at the heart of it with my accounting and audit background. The trade is illogical, people justifying is illogical and my brain does not compute

Again, it is only illogical under the assumption that pick 33, which will blow out, has normal value. It does not. When you account for the lower value of 33 then it is logical.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I finish my accounting degree in may. Can you get me a grad job?

Go to an audit firm, they'll hire anyone and everyone at this stage and there is honestly no better way to start your career. Just leave once your CA is done

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Again, it is only illogical under the assumption that pick 33, which will blow out, has normal value. It does not. When you account for the lower value of 33 then it is logical.

By that reasoning, pick 12 should be pretty valuable with picks lower than it this year...

Ill admit fault if one single other pick trade this year values the higher pick at less than the picks given up for it.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think you have to look at it through the lens that it unlocked the McVee trade.
I think it was some smart trading we managed to get the right second round pick and still keep a first rounder.

No, we had the whole trade period of the busiest trade period of all time to get something done and hes uncontracted. That argument doesnt fly

Also, I asked you guys to close the place down. Chop chop, get to it please it seems even my trade melts cant hit the servers hard enough

 

[Purple dynamite]

WCE future pick involved surely!

 

[Docker82]

By that reasoning, pick 12 should be pretty valuable with picks lower than it this year...

Ill admit fault if one single other pick trade this year values the higher pick at less than the picks given up for it.

Pretty sure Pick 33 won't move back all that much. Gold Coast will load up for picks in the 20s.

 

[freo_leo29]

Sorry, I'm just like a moth to a flame shit stirring people being upset over things that I consider to be meaningless in the broader context. You're of course welcome to be pissed off and demanding better.

Again, it's only a turd burger trade if you view it through a pick value lens. You do not know what Freo are planning for the draft, so your evaluation is something that you and other people on the outside have concocted based on pick value, while fully knowing that the pick value system only applicable to bid matching and this is highly flawed as it does not account for the cliffs that occur within the draft.

If you knew for a fact that the best player you're going to get at 30 and beyond is Devon Robertson for example, then you would feel very different to this trade.

There is this undercurrent that somehow we should have gotten value for 33, but if all clubs know the draft is trash below pick 30, then pick 33 literally has zero value! You can't buy anything with money that has no value!

It isn't even the pick value thats the main issue, its that we have downgraded the first round pick

There will now be 7 players in between our picks that we have lost a chance to pick, there was a real chance of a top talent sliding like Reid did last year, we have wiped out that chance now

In a draft that isn't known for its depth this is a massive gap.

 

[freo_leo29]

Illogical is probably at the heart of it with my accounting and audit background. The trade is illogical, people justifying is illogical and my brain does not compute

Yep, its one that makes your brain think there genuinely has to be something else to it, it makes 0 sense.


We know there won't be more though, as much as I'd like to huff the copium

 

[mattis117]

By that reasoning, pick 12 should be pretty valuable with picks lower than it this year...

Ill admit fault if one single other pick trade this year values the higher pick at less than the picks given up for it.

I'm only raising the prospect that late draft picks have lower value than normal. I'm not trying to convince anyone that it's a good trade. It will be interesting to watch how later picks are valued in other trades in the coming days.

 

[apuchar]

If Freo doesn't believe there will be value in this draft after the top 30 then there's not going to be many/any clubs who do so the value of those picks aren't as subjective, they may be objectively, league wide, trash.

If we are picking one player in the draft, Rodriguez, and then waiting for a Whan bid before ducking out with extra rookie spots to have train ons then so be it. The end result is the same, McVee will play for Freo, Rodriguez plays for Freo and Whan plays for Freo.

I've always subscribed to the theory that if you want the player, just pick them with what you've got but I know many here want better value, selling the pick for a later one and something else - but ultimately the end result here is the same.

We may have a late pick, we probably won't. The players late in the draft usually don't make it and even less do in teams performing.

We might be tight on players to delist next year, probably better not to have 2 year contracts on so many.

I don't disagree with a lot of that but if we take Pickett and not Fred i'll be pissed and if we only take Fred and not Puckett, than i hope to God Fred can play forward.