List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

So Brisbane have held the Oscar compo over our heads by the sounds of it…surely we must return serve with an Annable bid at pick 2!

What do you think the likelihood of the Annable pick never being discussed in the Starce negotiations? I'd suggest zero. The problem is Clarke is back foot player. He puts himself on the back foot early in negotiations.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I'm only a relative newcomer to this forum, does anyone know who started this Duursma is a Morton comparison crap.
Cale played 40 games with Melbourne in his first 2yrs and had some reasonable stats but dropped off badly after that.
The other brother played in Sydneys 2012 premiership team. Would be great if Willem emulates him and plays in at least one for us.

He's a tallish outside player. Cale was never really projected to move inside, and never did. He also started well at AFL level, before injuries and Melbourne stopped his development. Also Cale had brothers that played AFL just like Duursma.

Duursma has shown a far more contested side than Cale ever did. It's a silly comparison.

 

[Biggie]

 

[BSD]

Seeing that the deal was fair and in no one's favour really it just means we bid on Annable at Pick 1. There should be no favours done for them if they were unable to do any favours for us.

In taking Princess Oscar of our hands Brisbane will have done us a huge favour especially if we get pick 2 as compensation

 

[Magnum27]

What do you think the likelihood of the Annable pick never being discussed in the Starce negotiations? I'd suggest zero. The problem is Clarke is back foot player. He puts himself on the back foot early in negotiations.

Unless you are sitting in the room when the negotiation takes place, how would you know this ?

 

[Keys]

There are 35 players with contracts for 2026 and beyond with one of those (Liam Ryan

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Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

) seeking a trade out

Of that 35, it appears only 3 will be on the rookie list - Brock, McCarthy and Newton. Dewar needs to be upgraded whilst Maric and Hutchinson (per eaglevision who’s mail is usually correct) have already been

Overall that means 7 main, 5 rookie and 2 Cat B spots via contract extension (Cripps, Champion, Livingstone), trade, draft or post draft as a DFA/SSP

Main List:
• Starcevich
• Young
• Picks 1,2 and 13 as they stand
• Match bids on Banfield and Williams

Rookie List:
• Cripps (delist and redraft as a Rookie)
• Robertson

Cat B List:
• Champion (contract extended)
• Evans (if he gets through main draft without a bid) or Walley (if Evans doesn’t get through)

Gives us 3 rookie spots to fill - 4 if Cripps makes a surprise retirement decision with the following options:

• Move another player (Barnett) to the rookie list to open a main list spot so we can match an Evans bid if necessary
• Move Champion to the Cat A list to recontract Livingstone or list Walley as well as Evans
• Choice between the likes of Macrae, Schoenberg, Swallow, Berry etc or an untried state league player(s) like Murdoch, Blamires (if he goes undrafted which might be unlikely) etc

My preference-
• Cripps to retire
• Move Barnett to rookie list so we can secure Evans and add Walley as a Cat B (or recontract Livingstone)
• Add 3 mature aged players- 2 delisted AFL players and 1 untried state league player

 

[twadds]

So Brisbane have held the Oscar compo over our heads by the sounds of it…surely we must return serve with an Annable bid at pick 2!

Why not at 1? Really make them pay up.

 

[Ishmael_]

It genuinely sounds like the recruiters have been working their butts off and chatting to everyone under the sun in their attempts to improve our list, great work WC men!

Definitely, this is a sophisticated coordinated effort from our list management team.

They clearly have spent the year putting in place a plan with contingencies, background work with clubs and the AFL and a lot of moving parts, and so far they seem to be pulling it off.

They're pulling all the levers, not much more they can do with the current state of West Coast. Orders of magnitude more creative than anything we saw under the old regime.

Long way to go yet but this is what we wanted and I'm pretty happy with it so far.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Matt CLarkes marriage would never fail. He always keeps his promises and does everything to make his partner happy even if it means ruining his life as a consequence

You either aren't married and see this as a humourous analogy, or you are married and see this as reality.

 

[FKASC]

Considering Flanders and McVee have been valued at pick 7 and 23 - I think it gives an indication of the worth of draft picks this year. Would be worth closer to 20 and 40 in a normal draft imo

Suggests 22 for Starcevich isn’t so bad

 

[eagleskickass]

Why not at 1? Really make them pay up.

If we get the negatives of a wooden spoon, it's worth getting the benefits of the media coverage and accolades of our player being Pick 1.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Of all the fiddling the AFL have done over the years with the draft etc how do we still live in a world where a club needs to delist a player on their main list and redraft them to move them over to the rookie list?

Surely this could be handled internally without the need of involving the drafting system?

Club requests for player to move from main list to rookie list for list management reasons - AFL approves/denies based on whatever the set boundaries are for the rookie list (which I am 90% sure just relate the applicable salaries for draftees/Cat B players these days?)

 

[Altum Volantes]

If we get the negatives of a wooden spoon, it's worth getting the benefits of the media coverage and accolades of our player being Pick 1.

Hmm that Pick 1 status more often than not turns into a negative for the player and club though.

 

[eagleskickass]

Hmm that Pick 1 status more often than not turns into a negative for the player and club though.

I think it depends on the player and their temperament. If we've got concerns our preferred #1 would struggle, then bidding Pick 1 works and we just take them next. However some players like the accolade so it might come down to assessing this.

 

[FKASC]

Hmm that Pick 1 status more often than not turns into a negative for the player and club though.

I’d say it’s more ‘sometimes’ than ‘more often than not’

 

[Bender_]

I'm only a relative newcomer to this forum, does anyone know who started this Duursma is a Morton comparison crap.
Cale played 40 games with Melbourne in his first 2yrs and had some reasonable stats but dropped off badly after that.
The other brother played in Sydneys 2012 premiership team. Would be great if Willem emulates him and plays in at least one for us.

Also about 80% of the Morton comparison comes from squashface saying the Duursma family remind him of the Mortons; a bit overrated due to being a group - kinda like the Cheerleader Effect from HIMYM.

 

[Patron]

Considering Flanders and McVee have been valued at pick 7 and 23 - I think it gives an indication of the worth of draft picks this year. Would be worth closer to 20 and 40 in a normal draft imo

Suggests 22 for Starcevich isn’t so bad

I would rather Mcvee than starcevich personally. Once again we've paid more than we should.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Considering Flanders and McVee have been valued at pick 7 and 23 - I think it gives an indication of the worth of draft picks this year. Would be worth closer to 20 and 40 in a normal draft imo

Suggests 22 for Starcevich isn’t so bad

Even though the deal is complex, the deal ultimately boils down to whether you think getting Starcevich is worth giving up pick 22. If you don't, I think that's a perfectly reasonable position to take! He's elite but in a pretty niche role (small defender) and his concussion history does bring risk with it. In a perfect world we would have just been able to match without watering down the Allen compensation (the real prize, let's be honest) but AFL had to look after one of their golden children (Brisbane) and make sure they got a pretty nice return for Starcevich leaving. I personally am in favour of signing Starcevich for the leadership factor and because he may open up some opportunities for guys like Hough, McCarthy and Ginbey to play other positions besides down back.

The rest of the deal (16, 23 for 12, 33, 52) is just window dressing and a very fair deal in terms of give and take.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Starcevich deal is four years according to the club

 

[Altum Volantes]

I’d say it’s more ‘sometimes’ than ‘more often than not’

That's fair - clubs are better at judging who will be best equipped to handle the added pressure and attention these days.

Even recently though, we have seen the likes of JHF and JUH thrust into the spotlight, probably earlier than they were able to handle.

 

[ziad]

I think it depends on the player and their temperament. If we've got concerns our preferred #1 would struggle, then bidding Pick 1 works and we just take them next. However some players like the accolade so it might come down to assessing this.

You have to be the man.

 

[WCEConnor23]

I would rather Mcvee than starcevich personally. Once again we've paid more than we should.

McVee went backwards this year. He's a soft player, so he will fit right in at Fremantle.

 

[Bender_]

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You right mate? Don't think you're going to pass any "Are you a robot" Captcha tests with that attitude.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Starcevich deal is four years according to the club

Take him to 30/31. If he’s fit and not concussion impacted he’ll be extended easily enough. He’s not leaving then.

 

[Keys]

Of all the fiddling the AFL have done over the years with the draft etc how do we still live in a world where a club needs to delist a player on their main list and redraft them to move them over to the rookie list?

Surely this could be handled internally without the need of involving the drafting system?

Club requests for player to move from main list to rookie list for list management reasons - AFL approves/denies based on whatever the set boundaries are for the rookie list (which I am 90% sure just relate the applicable salaries for draftees/Cat B players these days?)

Rookie list should be scrapped - it’s an irrelevance now and has been for some time