Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Pencil case]

I think it's unlikely too.
Are we only going to target 'hard to get' KPDs this year?

We’d only find an upgrade on what we have if they’re a ‘hard to get’ player.

Hence the loss of interest in Butts and Tylar Young from our list management team.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

I didn’t get any other info.
So i dunno if it’s us asking for Keane/us speaking to his management or if Adelaide are willing to trade him.

We had to fight off Collingwood last year to keep him and he was in the AA squad this year, works very well with Worrell too. Can’t imagine we would entertain it.

If it’s got to a point of asking the question to a player like Keane though, there must be some willingness in a Sanders trade.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I think it's unlikely too.
Are we only going to target 'hard to get' KPDs this year?

Makes me wonder how the initial conversation went between Power and Wilkie's manager. I'd suspect his manager would have indicated he was happy at Moorabbin, maybe a slight wink or alluding to "but give us your best shot and I'll speak to Cal". Then Power makes an offer, and his manager can't get on the phone to Wilkie quickly enough. Anyway, as entrenched as he was/is there, it was a good enough offer to make him seriously consider it. So maybe 'hard to get' does not equate to 'impossible?

 

[Libbaaaa]

If we get Jamarra's money off the books we'll be able to bring forward so much cash to the likes of Naughton, English etc... for 2026 assuming no one else of significantly (salary) value comes in before the deadline. Just means Bevo will need to get off his high horse and actually meet with players mid-season and get them locked away early.

 

[Mofra]

We’d only find an upgrade on what we have if they’re a ‘hard to get’ player.

Hence the loss of interest in Butts and Tylar Young from our list management team.

Young would be a large upgrade at FB to anyone we played there this season. On cost vs output he would have been my no 1 target. 7th among tall defenders for one on one contests in 2025 (average).

Butts as a pure stopper can defend better than any deep defender we have.

I'm very much in the camp of "keep Lobb at HB at all costs" as he's been great when he can play high but bog average when dragged deep. We need depth at least to keep him there, but ideally we'd find a FB for a couple of years to allow JoD to play 3rd man up where he plays well.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

I get the question marks on Sanders, but losing him, Smith and Jamarrah would be a disaster list management wise. Three top 7 picks.

We should just put a line through anyone managed by Conners, which is unfortunately 70% of the afl.

 

[doggiesin08]

I haven’t forgotten how the club got porked by the AFL with the compensation we received for Callan Ward when GWS entered the competition. For those who may not recall, we received just 1 first round pick whilst Melbourne received 2 first round picks for Scully.

In fairness the contracts were fairly different. Scully was $6m over 6 years vs Ward $4m over 5 years.

We didn’t alright getting Macrae out of it anyway. The one that hurt was blowing our Harbrow compensation on Justin Sherman.

 

[dogwatch]

He said sometime like 'most ready' not most talented.
I don't think comments during pre-season 2 years ago are too relevant today.

This may be correct. However it still seemed curious at the time - an un-Bevo like comment from Bevo.

Perhaps I’m reading too much into an off the cuff remark.

Are we allowed to do that on BF?

 

[TiAn_]

I get the question marks on Sanders, but losing him, Smith and Jamarrah would be a disaster list management wise. Three top 7 picks.

We should just put a line through anyone managed by Conners, which is unfortunately 70% of the afl.

We essentially have done this

 

[Pencil case]

Young would be a large upgrade at FB to anyone we played there this season. On cost vs output he would have been my no 1 target. 7th among tall defenders for one on one contests in 2025 (average).

I agree with Young, I think he’d have a similar output to Butts but would cost half the price.

In saying that, I trust the list management team who would rather back in what we have than pick up scraps from other clubs.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in their meetings.

 

[Sentinel]

That Starcevich trade is yet another example of the flawless Free Agency compensation rules, where two clubs work together to subvert the system at the expense of the rest of the competition.

 

[cleveland]

 

[MaxiBont]

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Pretty sure they were at the Western Jets together

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Confirmed: Torin Baker to Whitten Oval as Zac Butters' stable pony.

 

[Munnez]

Everyone and their dog knows Nick Watson was our target.

But there wasn’t a key defender of any sort below Sanders in the draft? Or a midfielder with a greater point of difference?

O'Sullivan who went to the Cats?

 

[Foxman98]

O'Sullivan who went to the Cats?

Dan Curtin

 

[stefoid]

It's not like he's spoken about much of anything in public since he was recruited. And what little he has said has as one would expect framed his time with us in a positive light.

So of course he's going to play his contract cards close to his chest and play us off against a potential move home to Tasmania. Any manager who instructs him to do otherwise would be negligent in their duties and not earring their 5%.


"If" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this sentence.

What makes you think that a guy who played 21 games this year isn't part of our long term plans?



Obvious statement is Obvious.

But this entire discussion is being built upon the foundations of an another club enquiring about one of our players. Something that literally happens every time list and player managers cross paths. Not as far as I can see his management shopping him around or his disaffection for our club.

Youve got to be worried about Sanders defecting to Tassie. He had the chance to be unequivocal about it and he equivocated. His own words : he has 'a decision to make'.

If this eventuates, then its a mini-disaster. Opportunity cost massive

Best case scenario, he has a really honest conversation with the club some time soon which helps us plan what to do with him, one way or the other.

The fact that anyone IS interested in a player that might defect in a couple of years is interesting in itself -- it presents us with a possible trade option that frankly, Im suprised about. I guess from crows POV if they could get him for a late first round or so, and bolster their midfield for a few years with semi-mature recruit, then get turn that into a tasty pick from tassie...yeah, that is a lot more palatable for them than us spending 4 years turning pick 6 into ... pick 6.

 

[Ash1337]

Only just bought in buss and JOD the year before Sanders. Midfield depth was a bigger problem back then.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Any ITK posters on here that think there’s anything in the Sanders/Butts rumours?

I suspect it is just the media putting 2+2 together to equal 150. You've asked the question of Sanders, we've asked the question of Butts, both parties have said haha no. Suddenly in media land that have to fill a month of content with nothing happening, Butts and Sanders could be swapped.

To my knowledge nobody here has ever had any mail that we are intensely into Butts, nor that Sanders is exploring his options or that we would be willing to let him do so.

 

[Eastdog]

I have just heard that everyone is up for trade

 

[CarnTheScray]

Any ITK posters on here that think there’s anything in the Sanders/Butts rumours?

Nothing about Butts. By all reports, we are off him now.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Youve got to be worried about Sanders defecting to Tassie. He had the chance to be unequivocal about it and he equivocated. His own words : he has 'a decision to make'.

If this eventuates, then its a mini-disaster. Opportunity cost massive

Best case scenario, he has a really honest conversation with the club some time soon which helps us plan what to do with him, one way or the other.

The fact that anyone IS interested in a player that might defect in a couple of years is interesting in itself -- it presents us with a possible trade option that frankly, Im suprised about. I guess from crows POV if they could get him for a late first round or so, and bolster their midfield for a few years with semi-mature recruit, then get turn that into a tasty pick from tassie...yeah, that is a lot more palatable for them than us spending 4 years turning pick 6 into ... pick 6.

Tassie won't have a team for another three years. It's impossible for a young fellow to be unequivocal about something that far away. If he says, no I'm never leaving the Dogs, how can he be held to that? Or, if he says, Tassie might be a good move, he's looked on as uncommitted. When he says he may have a decision to make, so do all players who get offers. At the rate footy, the AFL, the world, are changing, nothing is certain in any aspect.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Makes me wonder how the initial conversation went between Power and Wilkie's manager. I'd suspect his manager would have indicated he was happy at Moorabbin, maybe a slight wink or alluding to "but give us your best shot and I'll speak to Cal". Then Power makes an offer, and his manager can't get on the phone to Wilkie quickly enough. Anyway, as entrenched as he was/is there, it was a good enough offer to make him seriously consider it. So maybe 'hard to get' does not equate to 'impossible?

I think putting an offer out there for Wilkie had two purposes, try to get him but also alert similar elk players what we are offering.

 

[BigFloppa]

If we get Jamarra's money off the books we'll be able to bring forward so much cash to the likes of Naughton, English etc... for 2026 assuming no one else of significantly (salary) value comes in before the deadline. Just means Bevo will need to get off his high horse and actually meet with players mid-season and get them locked away early.

Bevo has been off that particular high horse for a while. Admitted to meeting with Matt Rowell before he re-signed.

 

[BigFloppa]

That Starcevich trade is yet another example of the flawless Free Agency compensation rules, where two clubs work together to subvert the system at the expense of the rest of the competition.

Are we the only team that doesn't take advantage of the free agent compensation roots?