List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[NAS THE GOAT]

Pick 7 for Flanders is way overs when you consider Geelong traded 17 for Bailey Smith.

I'd prefer we keep drafting. Trading 1st round picks is something I'm generally opposed to, unless you're getting someone truly elite.

You clearly have NFI about the draft quality this year. Flanders was pick 11 in same draft as Anderson and Rowell and he has had several years in the AFL system developing. Pick 7 which will push out to 11-12 range is the right price.

Elite stats in 2024 and I heard them say on trade radio he was ranked in top 10 players in the league(On stats I presume) in the midst of that. Was pushed out of the midfield this year by Rowell, Anderson & co whilst also nursing a crook back.

Stop making posts and comments about things you obviously have no clue about. Stop wasting peoples time on here

How can you post 7 is way overs when you have NFI why his stats were lower than 2024

 

[snails13]

Pick 7 for Flanders is way overs when you consider Geelong traded 17 for Bailey Smith.

I'd prefer we keep drafting. Trading 1st round picks is something I'm generally opposed to, unless you're getting someone truly elite.

How do you reckon our pick 8 from a very good draft last year (2025) will go into 2026

 

[Captain Paddy]

Giving away pick 7 for a player seems like the magic beans approach where we think we are close to prelims and just need to top up. Anyhew the die is cast now.

Pick 7 for a 8-10 year mid.

Must be nice.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

They should forfeit this years 1st Rd pick

Yes good
That means they got no choice but to handover F1 for Ro.

 

[saintmike65]

Pick 7 for Flanders is way overs when you consider Geelong traded 17 for Bailey Smith.

I'd prefer we keep drafting. Trading 1st round picks is something I'm generally opposed to, unless you're getting someone truly elite.

In Gubby's eyes Flanders is elite

 

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Flanders to speak to trade radio approx 2pm

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Sam Flanders will join trade radio in about halfas

 

[OxSaint]

Finally get some trades done today and trade radio don’t even want to talk about it.

No let’s listen to list opinions from Josh Jenkins

11

Josh Jenkins

Age

36

Ht

200cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.1

4star

HB

3.8

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.6

5star

and interviews with Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

.

Really baffling

 

[Moquo]

The guy who's going to be a gun. It's pretty simple really.

That guy always goes after our pick. We need a later pick to nail it

 

[True Believer]

Sam Flanders will join trade radio in about halfas

Do you think he'll open with

"hi diddley ho neighbourino!"

 

[Captain Paddy]

Anyone think something is up? Why has this trade gone through so quick, why were we so happy to get rid of pick 7 so quick and easy?

Ross said the line about contracted players on Agenda Setters after Nas resigned.

Maybe not bickering about a 3rd rounder coming back and getting the job done is setting the ground work for us to rip the life out of geelong when it comes to a contracted Ro

 

[SainterinSydney]

For me this trade depends entirely on how shit the draft is. Sounds like an overpay on paper but if there's truly not much talent available around the 7-15 bracket then it could be a win.

You can also have a generational draft and unluckily pick the wrong guy. It's all risk. With Flanders, there is minimal risk that he flops.

 

[draft guru]

The media.
But if it bothers you so much, feel free to leave our board.

One random sen guy isn’t the media mate

 

[ESPN8 The Ocho]

Cold

When did the Club employ a Boomer to work on the SM’s music?

 

[Captain Paddy]

Pick 7 for Flanders is way overs when you consider Geelong traded 17 for Bailey Smith.

I'd prefer we keep drafting. Trading 1st round picks is something I'm generally opposed to, unless you're getting someone truly elite.

10 extra spots for a guy that is contracted, not a coke head and no coming off an ACL.

Sounds we're out here robbing

 

[SainterinSydney]

Haha that date sounds familiar

Daddy?!

 

[saintmike65]

Pick 7 for Flanders is way overs when you consider Geelong traded 17 for Bailey Smith.

I'd prefer we keep drafting. Trading 1st round picks is something I'm generally opposed to, unless you're getting someone truly elite.

Bailey was coming off a knee reco, had off field issues, mental health problems & is a dick head!!

 

[ThomasR]

Bailey was coming off a knee reco, had off field issues, mental health problems & is a dick head!!

and was out of contract

 

[Captain Paddy]

**** that degenerate though. He comes cheap because he's an absolute w***er.

The moment Geelong stop winning he's gone and they won't put up with his shit.

Edit : I also generally prefer going to the draft but this scenario with a compromised and weaker draft + our current list profile and other factors make it the right time.

100% if the arse falls out of Geelong with some retirements or a Jezza injury, they'll throw him on the scrap heap so fast.

Genuinely just a mercenary for hire. Put up with him so long as W's keep stacking up but the second it all comes tumbling down they will drop him so fast

 

[bird_man]

That's a pretty impressive stats sheet from last year. And went to another level when moved into the middle full time.

 

[PoppedCorn]

That's a pretty impressive stats sheet from last year. And went to another level when moved into the middle full time.


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Yeah not worth pick 7 at all lol

Start the bloody car!

 

[SaintOfLondon]

Billing’s is definitely still a saints man at heart

 

[thekizzler]

So what went wrong with Flanders this year?

3rd in GC B&F and 44 coaches votes in 2024. This year not so much.

This has also been mentioned at length on here and plenty in football media too.

"Great players do get interest, that's why they're great," Damien Hardwick told reporters post-game.

"Sam's had a tough year. He was on fire at the start of the year. He's got a back that, if I'm being completely honest, he probably shouldn't have played half the games he played, but he's tough kid and I love him.

Source: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1346741...ld-coast-sun-sam-flanders-aint-going-anywhere

 

[LeonardHayes87]

Starting to build some nice under 24 talent.... Flanders, NWM, Windhager, Owens, Wilson, Tauru, Phillipou, Garcia, Dodson, Travaglia, Keeler, Hastie, Maxy Hall + Leek Aleer.

That's 12-14 players who you can really build around for the next 6-8 years.

 

[bladeyy21]

Pick 7 for Flanders is way overs when you consider Geelong traded 17 for Bailey Smith.

I'd prefer we keep drafting. Trading 1st round picks is something I'm generally opposed to, unless you're getting someone truly elite.

Smith was out of contract and Geelong had the upper hand. It was either pick 17 or nothing for the dogs. They had to cave. So not the best comparison when Flanders still had 2 years on his contract. Good thing is Marshall also still has 2 years, so hopefully we don't let them scam us too