List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Hasselhough]

And Ryan will be 30 at the end of next season.

What do you think a 30 year old on a 2-3 year deal for moderate money is going to get you in the way of free agency compensation and that’s before taking into account the AFL is now talking about tightening up the compensation for next season?

Band 5 would be pick 40

Saints f2 pick 30 ?

 

[Grumpyshades]

The “I think it was a bit less initially” bit caught my eye and might help explain the Starcevich negotiations- specifically that some people think we overpaid

It could very well be the contract wasn’t quite enough to guarantee band 1 so Brisbane needed some encouragement to up their contract for us to get pick 2

So Brisbane knew exactly how to manipulate the compo formula to maximize their return ?
Yet the formula is supposedly a 'secret'...mmm

I'm not questioning the integrity of Greg Swan...oh wait yes I am

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I’d love to get another future pick for Chesser and go into next years draft in a strong position too. We are already in a very strong position in this years draft.

 

[RookiePick]

I'm all for taking 1 and 2 to the draft.

If we think CDT is our guy use #2 on him. If we think Sharp is our guy use #2 on him. Ditto is we have a different name on our board. Just get the kids that we want.

I'd only be splitting picks if we get a very favourable deal and we still bank our first 2 preferred players.

Depending on what promises we have made we should be bidding on academy products too. Hoover up picks out of the draft and who knows what opportunities might shake out as the draft progresses.

 

[Chris_6678]

I’d love to get another future pick for Chesser and go into next years draft in a strong position too. We are already in a very strong position in this years draft.

It was mentioned the Blues has this years picks or next years as an option they are working towards.

I agree and think next years is the one i would go with.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

3 way trade:

WCE Give: 2, 34, 38
WCE Get: 5, 7

Ess Give: 5, 21, 30
Ess Get: 2

GCS Give: 7
GCS Get: 21, 30, 34, 38

WCE Draft:
1. Duursma
5. Sharp
7. Farrow
13. Dovaston
53. Williams
58. Banfield

Farrow should not pick picked at 7.

 

[WCE777]

There's been a bit of talk about Ainsworth and strumpf on here. They sound like perfect later options .

I am almost certain we where tracking Stumpf in the MSD when McCarthy appeared.
He is more the athletic CHB type at 197cm, had elite 20m sprint and vertical jump in last years combine but went undrafted.
A later developing prospect who you would stack away and develop.

Ainsworth is 200cm ruck/fwd who had a good championships playing mostly in the ruck and rotating forward, played a lot of juniors as a KPD and is very versatile on any line. Very athletic and good mobility, would be an Edwards type KPD with more athletic profile. Not sure why he hasn't been mentioned in draft rankings much but probably the better prospect of the 2.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Band 5 would be pick 40

Saints f2 pick 30 ?

So we would be worse off trading him next year rather than this year, what exactly is your point?
We also get a year of development into possibly, Newton, Walley, Champion, Evans, Williams, Long.
Tell me again how we are so much better off getting compensated for Ryan next year…………..actually please don’t.

 

[darksquare]

Just googled this guy, did he get drafted? where is he playing?

Great testing at the combine last year, but still went undrafted, and also missed out in SSP and mid-season.

He's a fast, high-leaping player. Think Tauru, Gibcus, Leek Aleer. Maybe even Jeremy Howe. Some question as to whether he has the size to be a true KPD, or whether his type of player works better as a third tall. Also some question as to whether he is actually AFL level, or just has AFL-level athletic attributes. To be fair, all of the others I've listed as similar also have some question marks over which KPFs they can realistically defend.

But for a rookie spot, I'd have a look.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Hopefully this stops the Vic media tears…. Or who cares haha

Guy's played 23 games in two years and only really played 2 good games that entire time. The 5 goals against North where we stole that win in Tassie and the 4 goals against Geelong this year. I would've stormed the f*cking place if we gave this guy over 900k for 6 years with his degenerative knee and broken body.

If Brisbane can get his body right then fair play, but he's been busted here for two years and didn't even look to be getting any better.

 

[darksquare]

The S

The U

 

[Wooshaaaa]

How is this still being talked about? I subscribe to the idea that the future future third going back the other way was worthless thanks to the Tassie compromised draft.

We received a future second for him. We drafted him originally with a second in 2017. We've had him for eight years, won a premiership and buggered up his hammies. How this isn't considered a great outcome is beyond belief.

This

Band 5 would be pick 40

Saints f2 pick 30 ?

Ok so pick 30 next year is 450 points. Our second will be, let's say we don't get the spoon but finish bottom 3, pick 21 is 720 points.

Those 2 picks move us up to pick 12. Along with our own pick 3 this provides us huge flexibility for our NGAs/FS as well as taking a top 3 pick in the opens draft.

 

[mattyc75]

I am almost certain we where tracking Stumpf in the MSD when McCarthy appeared.
He is more the athletic CHB type at 197cm, had elite 20m sprint and vertical jump in last years combine but went undrafted.
A later developing prospect who you would stack away and develop.

Ainsworth is 200cm ruck/fwd who had a good championships playing mostly in the ruck and rotating forward, played a lot of juniors as a KPD and is very versatile on any line. Very athletic and good mobility, would be an Edwards type KPD with more athletic profile. Not sure why he hasn't been mentioned in draft rankings much but probably the better prospect of the 2.

I think Ainsworth sounds more like what we need with HEdwards being quite injury prone and despite improvements not 100% being the guy to anchor our backline when we're challenging again but either are going to help

 

[RookiePick]

Guy's played 23 games in two years and only really played 2 good games that entire time. The 5 goals against North where we stole that win in Tassie and the 4 goals against Geelong this year. I would've stormed the f*cking place if we gave this guy over 900k for 6 years with his degenerative knee and broken body.

If Brisbane can get his body right then fair play, but he's been busted here for two years and didn't even look to be getting any better.

Now the deal is done I think most of us can say we're pretty gd happy with how the Allen deal has gone down.

It's a real win for us to turn Allen with question marks over his body into a valuable asset as we go full rebuild.

The only thing that made me angry through the process is the Mitchell meeting going public. Not that it happened, but that it undermined the start of Mini's tenure having the most senior of leaders being seen to not "buy in".

 

[rfarlz]

Pretty sure the defict is taken off the round the bid comes in at.

So a 2nd round bid would lead to a future 2nd round deficit.

Ahh that makes sense. It does mean that using the defecit to match a Patterson bid will turn their first roudner into a mid-to-late second (assuming they're close to top 4), which would have to weigh heavily on them deciding whether to match or not.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Lol Ross and Co had to be reigned in by the board

 

[evans1863]

I'm all for taking 1 and 2 to the draft.

If we think CDT is our guy use #2 on him. If we think Sharp is our guy use #2 on him. Ditto is we have a different name on our board. Just get the kids that we want.

I'd only be splitting picks if we get a very favourable deal and we still bank our first 2 preferred players.

Depending on what promises we have made we should be bidding on academy products too. Hoover up picks out of the draft and who knows what opportunities might shake out as the draft progresses.

I really disagree with this.

Ok if we are absolutely dead set that we want CDT (or Robey tbf as he wouldn't be available at 5) then fair enough.

As it is, we are ****ing shit. We need to be pulling every single small lever we can to get quality players and picks in.

If we are even 10% unsure on CDT or Robey then trade down, get Sharp and pick up a Cumming/Dovaston/F1 etc.

Let's not squander this position by settling on players we aren't sure on while we can use our position to leverage more talent or better future picks.

 

[eagles rule]

Tim Watson getting schooled on Pick 2 compensation ..

 

[Obeanie1]

Farrow should not pick picked at 7.

How about live pick 11?

Seen him at 15 in a lot of mocks.

 

[Convocation]

Really?

I think much more chance he never gets involved at club level again, hangs out with his mates, dodges the media and rarely seen in public.

Pop down to the Railway club in Port Melbourne if you're ever over there and you'll see him there all the time. Plays it very low key though. In ripping nick still!

 

[RookiePick]

I really disagree with this.

Ok if we are absolutely dead set that we want CDT (or Robey tbf as he wouldn't be available at 5) then fair enough.

As it is, we are ****ing shit. We need to be pulling every single small lever we can to get quality players and picks in.

If we are even 10% unsure on CDT or Robey then trade down, get Sharp and pick up a Cumming/Dovaston/F1 etc.

Let's not squander this position by settling on players we aren't sure on while we can use our position to leverage more talent or better future picks.

There are no sure things in footy.

Harley could get a head knock in pre-season and be medically retired. Would that make picking him a mistake?

You make your draft board and then you back your system to turn out a player.

 

[MrAsh7777]

Points wise it's all pretty fair however i'd prefer to keep holding Gold Coast to ransom on our own.

13, 34 & 38 for Pick 7 is fair especially considering we won't bid on their academy boys in return.

If they trade the pick then i'm happy to bid on Patterson at 1 and squeeze them.

Also Tyler Williams will not be available at 53 so we'll have to get creative there.

We might get lucky and get Patterson as they will not be able to afford the both of them if they trade out 7 & 8 but at the very least we knock out a whole heap of picks, can still split 2 and have later capitol to match any Tyler Williams bid.

Williams is NGA so doesn't need to be available at 53, just needs to not be bid on in first 2 rounds. If he is, we decide if we want him that highly, and live trade a future pick for points.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Correction

Ainsworth is off to the blues. What did they pay and how's that affecting Chesser trade./?

 

[ThePuma #9]

Band 5 would be pick 40

Saints f2 pick 30 ?

Well first of all the AFL is looking to tighten up Free agency so we are not even sure we would get anything at all.

Secondly the AFL has also said it is looking to limit how many picks you can use to match an academy or father and son so it's likely the third round gets pushed out a little as less picks will be used to match.

Thirdly if we chase a free agent next year we'd get nothing for Liam Ryan and i'd say it's highly likely we will as we have the past four years running.

Lastly we are securing a second round pick in a draft where we have matching Kenh, McGlade & Banfield to worry about.

I'm not even bother by the round 4 pick in 2027 we gave back as it's worthless, It's in the 50's already and haze zero points value attached to it.


We took a fastly devaluing asset and turned into a reasonable pick in a draft we will need points for to secure incoming players.

That's a win.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Correction

Ainsworth is off to the blues. What did they pay and how's that affecting Chesser trade./?

Curnow to GC, Walter to WCE, Chesser and Ainsworth to Carlton

Great deal for everyone!