Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 31

[RussellEbertHandball]

[Morris] The AFL is considering handing an extra rookie list spot - funded by the league - to each club, reserved for an Indigenous footballer. If introduced, it would be part of their plan to increase First Nations representation at the top level.​

Positive discrimination?? We can't do that, its against the law. Lets call it positive action as a lawful alternative.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Just maybe, the increasing professionalism of the AFL industry requirements is why indigenous numbers are falling. Not clubs are failing them like some in the media like to say.

Until the AFL addresses that, things wont change. Matt Rendall tired to sound the warning bells, but a shitty HSD suffering AFL employee, who proved to be a dirty thug on the field, panicked and said he was a racist and Rendell was railroaded out of a job.

Indigenous players coming from low socio-economic backgrounds, and especially those living on traditional lands and a non urban life, maybe they can't handle, or don't want to handle the demands required to be an elite footballer, ie demands similar to an elite athlete.

That's basically why Willie gave it away. Its why 27 year old Stuie Dew gave it away. He only got a second chance because Clarko knew him from coaching Centrals and then Choco's assistant at Port. And 2 seasons and 25 or so more games was enough and he quit just after his 30th birthday.

Plenty of white blokes are good footballers, but they don't want to do the elite footballer / elite athlete stuff and they get cut, but they have a better family/personal grounding than the majority of indigenous players.

 

[raptalia]

What is so earth shattering about a club pulling out of a deal? Both players and clubs can pull out of a deal at anytime that is the nature of the meat market that is AFL Trade Week. Aleer is not joining the dole queue as he still has a three year contract offer on the table from GWS and 194cm defenders are not that plentiful. The fact that GWS offered Leek Aleer a three year contract and asked for a second round draft pick from St Kilda must mean that they rate him.

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? AFL trade Radio must be hard up for 'experts'.

Saints under fire as brutal trade backflip leaves young defender 'shattered'

St Kilda officially adds Liam Ryan in a trade with West Coast as the AFL world continues to react to the Saints' stunning decision to pull out of a move for Leek Aleer. Here's how day four of the AFL trade period panned out.

www.abc.net.au

 

[EskimoPAFC]

What is so earth shattering about a club pulling out of a deal? Both players and clubs can pull out of a deal at anytime that is the nature of the meat market that is AFL Trade Week. Aleer is not joining the dole queue as he still has a three year contract offer on the table from GWS and 194cm defenders are not that plentiful. The fact that GWS offered Leek Aleer a three year contract and asked for a second round draft pick from St Kilda must mean that they rate him.

Josh Jenkins? AFL trade Radio must be hard up for 'experts'.

Saints under fire as brutal trade backflip leaves young defender 'shattered'

St Kilda officially adds Liam Ryan in a trade with West Coast as the AFL world continues to react to the Saints' stunning decision to pull out of a move for Leek Aleer. Here's how day four of the AFL trade period panned out.

www.abc.net.au

Yeah I'm not really getting the pearl clutching on this one. This surely must happen all the time.

 

[Macca19]

Deals would get cancelled for whatever reason all the time. Not sure they get cancelled when youve chased the guy for 2 years, committed to it, then backflip last minute all that often

 

[Schulzenfest]

Imagine you'd been headhunted by another employer in your field, they offered you a job, asked you to publicly declare that you wanted to leave your current employer to work for them, and then rescinded their offer. That's what happened to Aleer.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Great post.

And checked the numbers and you're spot on. Indigenous representation in the AFL IS decreasing from a record of 87 players in 2020 to 62 this year. Which surprised me.

You know what can fix that? Let's take away the incentive for clubs to encourage Aboriginal players to get to AFL level by making it much harder for the clubs to benefit from their input through the NGA.

 

[powermacs]

Good luck StKilda getting people to their club now. How could any player trust them. Thats about as average as it gets.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Indigenous representation has been decreasing and so has the overall talent level of players. Meanwhile the AFL need to find 45 ok footballers within 3 years for a Tasmanian side. I’d vote to cut Norf first but increasing list sizes isn’t a terrible idea.

This sounds like it’s just an extension of the category B rookie list but for actual footballers. Dressed up in a way the AFLPA can’t complain about.

It will be the same as the old NSW scholarship system and you can't say that didn't get extra NSW players, who otherwise wouldn't have been there, onto lists. Some like Tex would have made it anyway but Port picked up a few blokes who would have been nowhere near it otherwise.

 

[jakey]

Just maybe, the increasing professionalism of the AFL industry requirements is why indigenous numbers are falling. Not clubs are failing them like some in the media like to say.

Until the AFL addresses that, things wont change. Matt Rendall tired to sound the warning bells, but a shitty HSD suffering AFL employee, who proved to be a dirty thug on the field, panicked and said he was a racist and Rendell was railroaded out of a job.

Indigenous players coming from low socio-economic backgrounds, and especially those living on traditional lands and a non urban life, maybe they can't handle, or don't want to handle the demands required to be an elite footballer, ie demands similar to an elite athlete.

That's basically why Willie gave it away. Its why 27 year old Stuie Dew gave it away. He only got a second chance because Clarko knew him from coaching Centrals and then Choco's assistant at Port. And 2 seasons and 25 or so more games was enough and he quit just after his 30th birthday.

Plenty of white blokes are good footballers, but they don't want to do the elite footballer / elite athlete stuff and they get cut, but they have a better family/personal grounding than the majority of indigenous players.

Rendell's answer to the problem was for blackfellas to be less black. Either by birth, or by removing elite talent from their families toward then end of their education. Loaded AF.

Put the dumb $s the AFL plans to put into the extra rookie spot shit into paying a successful indigenous ex-player to support the new recruits to each club as they come through. Give them someone to stay with / learn from who really gets what they need.

 

[tribey]

That's the sort of garbage deal the main board nuffies think we should take for Butters.

Quantity over quality, moite!

 

[tribey]

It will be the same as the old NSW scholarship system and you can't say that didn't get extra NSW players, who otherwise wouldn't have been there, onto lists. Some like Tex would have made it anyway but Port picked up a few blokes who would have been nowhere near it otherwise.

Lol yes. That was wild when you think about it.

Broken Hill ≠ Metropolitan RL/RU heartland.

Walker wasn’t about to be lost to the Waratahs.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Rendell's answer to the problem was for blackfellas to be less black. Either by birth, or by removing elite talent from their families toward then end of their education. Loaded AF.

Put the dumb $s the AFL plans to put into the extra rookie spot shit into paying a successful indigenous ex-player to support the new recruits to each club as they come through. Give them someone to stay with / learn from who really gets what they need.

The NGA program at least gave clubs incentive to work with younger Aboriginal players and get the support to them leading up to entering the AFL system.

Of course it's not immune to cherry-picking who gets support, but the rookie spot proposal does smack of giving attention to those players who have already made themselves known. Someone like a Frank Szekely who has already played a few years at North Adelaide would be the type to benefit.

But the AFL will get numbers up this way and hit their key metric, so back-slaps all round.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Chrizzt]

Jeez future third for Mihocek is a good deal for Melbs

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Brisbane must be banking on getting Oscar Allen

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fit. He's played 23 games in the past 2 years for 32 goals. He will see a lot more of the ball in the Lions' forward line but he has to get on the park first.

 

[Grave Danger]

Jeez future third for Mihocek is a good deal for Melbs

I wonder what the FA compo would've been if it hadn't been done as a trade - maybe similar, but this year instead of future.

EDIT:

Actually it wasn't quite as simple as Twomey's post suggested:

 

[snozulu]

Imagine you'd been headhunted by another employer in your field, they offered you a job, asked you to publicly declare that you wanted to leave your current employer to work for them, and then rescinded their offer. That's what happened to Aleer.

That's happened to me and ****ing sucks

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I wonder what the FA compo would've been if it hadn't been done as a trade - maybe similar, but this year instead of future.

EDIT:

Actually it wasn't as simple as Twomey's post suggested:

I think his comment was with an expectation that pick 61 and 71 won't be used in this years draft.

 

[Chachi]

Imagine you'd been headhunted by another employer in your field, they offered you a job, asked you to publicly declare that you wanted to leave your current employer to work for them, and then rescinded their offer. That's what happened to Aleer.

Few. Thanks for explaining that.

 

[Grave Danger]

I think his comment was with an expectation that pick 61 and 71 won't be used in this years draft.

They probably will - in eleventy trades among all the clubs before everything's done and dusted.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Be funny if he sued St Kilda

 

[Festerz]

Imagine you'd been headhunted by another employer in your field, they offered you a job, asked you to publicly declare that you wanted to leave your current employer to work for them, and then rescinded their offer. That's what happened to Aleer.

Yeah - shit behaviour

Ross Lyon has his finger prints all over this imo.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Bet this was a short phone call