List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - The Final Countdown

[tigs2010]

For some that’s his range

Only if you're a senile old campaigner like Tiger_Of_Old

 

[Wrenny]

Only if you're a senile old campaigner like Tiger_Of_Old

 

[hammer180]

Don't think we split tbh.

Reckon Dalton is a fair chance to be 30+. Small, not super quick, not the best kick but I see a very good role player if can keep his kicking within limitation.

ESPN have him 33
Craft of the Draft 40
Cal had him 32-45 in August and not in September top 30. (Took out 31 as that was clearly Robey lol)
Rookie Me 31-40 in August (not in September top 30)

You may be right, but 30+ is still pretty tight with the Young pick.
So will be close either way.
Yeah it's dependant on what us and essendon want i think, if there's a trade down.

 

[sregit]

So hypothetically speaking:

Let’s say Egurls take Duurpsma & Blunt..

Essendrug come to us and say we’ll give you 5 & 21 for pick 3. We ask them who they’d take and they say CDT. We do the deal.

Deal goes through..

Essendon select Sullivan Robey at 3..

RFC…

Do these deals go through with the selling club knowing and asking who they’d take buyer would take? Or is it just rolling the dice?

Not when the buyer is the pick behind you. There would be no need for them to trade if you do that. Eg they say Robey. If that's our man we say no. We will have to go blind on this. If we said yes to them then they know there is no need to trade.

 

[dean33]

So hypothetically speaking:

Let’s say Egurls take Duurpsma & Blunt..

Essendrug come to us and say we’ll give you 5 & 21 for pick 3. We ask them who they’d take and they say CDT. We do the deal.

Deal goes through..

Essendon select Sullivan Robey at 3..

RFC…

Do these deals go through with the selling club knowing and asking who they’d take buyer would take? Or is it just rolling the dice?

Essendon will only trade with us if they think/know we are going to pick the player they want. Why would they trade up to select a CDT if they know we are not interested in him? So really if we trade the pick assume they want who we are looking at.

 

[tigs2010]

Essendon will only trade with us if they think/know we are going to pick the player they want. Why would they trade up to select a CDT if they know we are not interested in him? So really if we trade the pick assume they want who we are looking at.

There's also the 3rd option of us trading to another team.

 

[Ballin]

For some that’s his range

In last year's draft lol

 

[thegcat]

Don't think we split tbh.

Reckon Dalton is a fair chance to be 30+. Small, not super quick, not the best kick but I see a very good role player if can keep his kicking within limitation.

ESPN have him 33
Craft of the Draft 40
Cal had him 32-45 in August and not in September top 30. (Took out 31 as that was clearly Robey lol)
Rookie Me 31-40 in August (not in September top 30)

“Small, not super quick, not the best kick”

What a catch !

 

[ShereKhan]

I think the problem is that if we "know" who Essendon are going to pick then it stands to reason that they also "know" who we are going to pick. In that scenario we're only agreeing to the trade on the understanding that we are going to miss out on who we wanted. Otherwise both clubs will know there's no point in trading because the clubs will take the picks we both wanted at 3-4-5-6 and no one misses out.

With this in mind we are better off negotiating with a club that has picks after Essendon, who may want to pay a premium to get ahead of the bummers (e.g. flipping future picks into the deal). This may well be what happens of draft night.

No.....Essendon will fear us trading pick-3 to someone else, and for that reason would jump in.

The same way they traded pick-11 and a late-20's pick to Geelong for pick-10. Geelong knew Essendon wanted Caddy, and obviously had no intention of taking Caddy themselves. But Bombers knew if they didn't jump in and take pick-10, Geelong would potentially sell it off to someone else who wanted Caddy.

So Geelong got the player they wanted O'Sullivan at pick-11, and a 'free' late-20's pick along the way.

And Bombers got Caddy....who they might have missed if another team took Geelong's pick-10.

Obviously this all is based on the Bombers wanting a player we don't - but if Bombers are concerned Richmond will sell it off to someone else, you can be sure they won't sit back.

 

[ShereKhan]

There's also the 3rd option of us trading to another team.

Exactly...which is why Bombers will jump in if they fear us trading that pick to someone else.

It's the exact scenario of the 2023 draft. Geelong had pick-10. Bombers had pick-11. Geelong traded pick-10 for pick-11 and a late-20's pick to Essendon, enabling them to get Caddy. If Essendon sat back then Geelong potentially sell off pick-10 to another club and they take Caddy.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Don't think we split tbh.

Reckon Dalton is a fair chance to be 30+. Small, not super quick, not the best kick but I see a very good role player if can keep his kicking within limitation.

ESPN have him 33
Craft of the Draft 40
Cal had him 32-45 in August and not in September top 30. (Took out 31 as that was clearly Robey lol)
Rookie Me 31-40 in August (not in September top 30)

I am not sure if this is a sales pitch or a buyer beware notification?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

On Cotchin, I have always rated his leadership qualities and as captain too, so I wouldn't want to see him go.

Bombers are all over the place that i agree, but on Merrett, if the price is right, then yes, the bombers will let him go, but it won't be for a sole first-rounder and a fringe player. They have the upper hand, and they will leverage this to the max. Hawks pick 9, and another will be needed around pick 10-12 to get it through. Other clubs will need to be involved, a 3-4 way trade.

Merrett will help the Hawks because they rely on precision passing and overall good ball use.

Look at us last year, everyone saying Bolton ain't worth 2 first rounders, but we got 10 and 11, and yes, he's younger.
We got it because he was contracted, and the price to pay will always be higher.

Same with Rioli, pick 6 and 23 (two first-rounders). If he wasn't contracted, pick 6 would be it and nothing more by the Suns.
Baker about right, at pick 14

Anyways mate, it's been a nice discussion but I dont want to clog up any further this AFL draft/combine thread with Ess/Hawks trading scenarios.

Good on you AT, my thoughts entirely. Those campaigners can get stuffed.

 

[THE_GUN]

I would still be happy with
Sharp - Cumming - Kellaway trifecta

If we trade down to get an extra 2nd rounder then even better
Duursma - Nah he is a Duursma
CDT - Im worried about his leap at only 200cm

 

[Ballin]

I would still be happy with
Sharp - Cumming - Kellaway trifecta

If we trade down to get an extra 2nd rounder then even better
Duursma - Nah he is a Duursma
CDT - Im worried about his leap at only 200cm

Is it a coincidence that the newly appointed VFL coach coached these 3 at the Adelaide Academy

 

[tigerdan]

No.....Essendon will fear us trading pick-3 to someone else, and for that reason would jump in.

The same way they traded pick-11 and a late-20's pick to Geelong for pick-10. Geelong knew Essendon wanted Caddy, and obviously had no intention of taking Caddy themselves. But Bombers knew if they didn't jump in and take pick-10, Geelong would potentially sell it off to someone else who wanted Caddy.

So Geelong got the player they wanted O'Sullivan at pick-11, and a 'free' late-20's pick along the way.

And Bombers got Caddy....who they might have missed if another team took Geelong's pick-10.

Obviously this all is based on the Bombers wanting a player we don't - but if Bombers are concerned Richmond will sell it off to someone else, you can be sure they won't sit back.

But we want a bidding war. There is no guarantee Essendon are going to pay the highest price, it really just depends. Melbourne post Petraca/Oliver trades may end up able to pay more for example. There might even be hail marys from elsewhere.

 

[BAFLD]

The Geish and Hartley talk about a players “ceiling” a lot which means we always have our eyes on drafting players with potential future improvement/growth. Who are the players that have shown growth across the season particularly towards the back end of the season? I like Oskar Taylor/ Sul Robey and Sam Cumming. Also CDT makes so much sense for us. We are running Nank into the ground. With 5 on the bench two Rucks could make a lot more sense next season.
I honestly think we would only split our picks if we netted a F1 next year to grab Armstrong. Demons are the ones to watch for splitting our pick once they get 6/7 from GC.

 

[tigs2010]

I am not sure if this is a sales pitch or a buyer beware notification?

Hahaha just giving the reasons why hes a chance to be there late.

Guys at that size need to have elite speed or skills to go high imo.

What he does have is a huge tank, work rate, ability to find the footy, IQ and defensive/contested game.

Lambo was small, wasn't express and could barely kick 45 but he was all the same positives and it took a while for a team to recognise that and pick him and he became an integral part of 3 flags.

 

[_RT_]

Hahaha just giving the reasons why hes a chance to be there late.

Guys at that size need to have elite speed or skills to go high imo.

What he does have is a huge tank, work rate, ability to find the footy, IQ and defensive/contested game.

Lambo was small, wasn't express and could barely kick 45 but he was all the same positives and it took a while for a team to recognise that and pick him and he became an integral part of 3 flags.

lizard man excited he has worn you down with his constant posting about Dalton

 

[energyquant]

Does anyone have any insight into how the pick negotiations for Young impact on our decision to commit to Louis Kellaway as a father-son pick? Do we expect him to go undrafted? Do we want him?

I think we are more likely to take a chance on him if we get a better pick for Young (e.g. 34) and then trade it to slide back in the 2025 draft and ensure we don't over-pay. For example, if we can turn 34 into pick 50 + F3 then that works nicely for us.

 

[tigs2010]

lizard man excited he has worn you down with his constant posting about Dalton

I think with all the trade target (not ours) player highlights he deserves this.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Like Me. Tigs 2010.
and Calcium man. We Dreams about Robey every night every day every hour every minute every second

As Richmond pass on Robey on Prom Night.

 

[tigs2010]

As Richmond pass on Robey on Prom Night.
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[Tiger_Of_Old]

Haven’t even got a pick yet to speculate on you campaigner.

Ding Bat tigs2010 thinks PSD is a pick.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Only if you're a senile old campaigner like Tiger_Of_Old

Wrong again Sunshine.
VFL Listed for me.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

You look better.
Botox?