List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[timeforanother22]

So you’d have us leave Young swinging in the breeze like the Saints did with Aleer. It was a totally dick move by St Kilda and I’d hope we’re better than that - it’s the sort of action that can easily come back to haunt a club in future negotiations

I don’t have any issue with your draft strategy other than a preference for Sharp over Robey

Don’t want to leave him swinging in the breeze. Do want to trade any half decent picks so Hawks get bare minimum. Payback for trading 14 last year.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The problem here is we went too early with our commitment to Rhett Bazzo who was basically signed as a last chance to prove yourself option.

If we waited til after trade period we could easily go for Aleer in the PSD as a target

 

[PremiershipNo4]

The problem here is we went too early with our commitment to Rhett Bazzo who was basically signed as a last chance to prove yourself option.

If we waited til after trade period we could easily go for Aleer in the PSD as a target

That’s the big problem eh! Bazzo.
You’re an absolute genius.

 

[TheBudgies]

Hi all,

Firstly, thanks to everyone for the 252+ pages of draft chat; I thoroughly enjoy the scenarios/insight/melts.

I've got an absolutely unhinged, long sunday morning post that is the culmination of the daily draft chat between Patron and I over the past 6 months. It's a deep-dive on the key current trade/draft scenarios that lay before us. For many it'll be TL;DR, but if you're a draft nuff like us, hopefully it is worth the read.

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In my view, a lot of our board's draft scenarios that are discussed operate on the best case assumptions; i.e. assuming the players we want will be available at the picks we have. I thought it'd be good to have a look at the worst case scenarios, and how we go about minimising risks associated with each.

Caveats/assumptions to my trade scenarios:

For us:

• I'm assuming we only take 3 high draft picks + NGA/FS. We're already the youngest list in the comp, so 3 early picks + maybe/hopefully Tylah Williams/Evans/Banfield/Walley is enough 18 year olds to bring in. Plus, any more than this requires more list jiggery-pokery in terms of delistings and re-rookie-ing etc.
• All my scenarios assume we take Duursma at 1. I'm personally not interested in trading this pick unless it was an absolutely insane offer (and 5+6 is not that). He has gapped the rest of his cohort; tall, good 2km time, good sprint time, good transition player, great intercept mark, decent kick, good competitor, happy to come to Perth, is the prototype 2026-era midfielder and would be an excellent complement to Harley/Hewett and co. Absolute no brainer in my view and I think we'd be nuts to trade this pick.
• I'm largely of the view that midfield AND leadership are our biggest areas of need; midfields win flags. Hence, Sharp is the guy I want behind Duursma - stellar CV, oozes leadership, fills an area of need (BBIMWBLF??) and complements the more explosive guys like Harley/Hewett, and the smooth-moving Duursma. I also think that Dunkley/Newcombe/even Tom Atkins were all critical to their sides finals campaigns, and I am still of the view that every team needs a Sharp. Having said that, I can actually see the argument against Sharp, and that the game (and our gamestyle in particular) is potentially moving away from guys like this.
• I am not hot on CDT, and none of my scenarios include taking him. We are desperate for a ruck, but in my view he is not that. At the currently measured 200cm he is too short, and his combine leap results weren't super hot. We also do not need another tall forward this early in the draft. So he is then an in-betweener that may take significant investment, and does not have a defined position. In my view, if we're taking interstate guys this high up in the draft, they need to be playing early regularly. If we take a project player like CDT, who needs to develop in the WAFL, we run the risk of him doing all that developing, then wanting to leave after 3 years just as he's ready to break out. I think there's a good chance he ends up an awesome player, but I hope it's not with us with pick 2. There is some smoke that we are keen on him, but I hope that is us just being clever and trying to lure Essendon/Richmond into a trade.
• I'm not super hot on Robey (sorry Robey fans).
• My ideal draft is Duursma + Sharp and one of (in order) Cumming/Dovaston/Schubert/Grlj/Farrow/Lindsay.

With respect to other clubs:

• I largely assume that Patterson is not a live option; I am assuming GC dont cook their points situation
• 7 and 8 for Petracca is overs and GC would be dumb to do this directly. The guy is 30
• Humphrey is worth 7 at least, he is awesome and has a huge ceiling, meaning a net trade between GC/Melbourne could actually be a near neutral position (maybe a bit extra going back to Melb).
• I'm assuming Richmond don't want Sharp, given they took similar players last year (though the Richmond board do like Sharp!). But I am assuming that Essendon may want Sharp, and hence my trade scenarios make sure that Essendon don't have a live pick available before us for Sharp (though I assume Essendon would take CDT over Sharp).
• Picks 9/10/11 are too low; they expose us to risk of missing our targets and in my view are not worth pursuing. In my view, we need high-high end talent. Hence this rules out trades with Hawthorn/Carlton/Sydney. Also means that I am not interested in any trade machinations of Merrett/Curnow etc.

OPTION 1 - no trades, worst case scenario pick order

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• Who goes where exactly between 3 and 12 doesn't matter; its more about the worst case scenario of who is left at pick 13
• Dud scenario for us is that the guys left at 13 are NHH/Greeves/Marsh/Phillipou
  • NHH - too boom/bust for where we're at. we need more sure things
  • Greeves - figjam, not for me
  • Marsh - like him but not what we need
  • Phillipou - jury is out on him (brother looks good but cant stay on the park)
• Of course, it is possible/likely that a Farrow/Dovatson etc slides, but this scenario has risk that I'd look to avoid
• Further, in this scenario we are left with picks 34 and 38. One (or worst case two) could be required to match a bid on Tylah Williams, but if not (i.e. if a Williams bid didnt come until later/not at all), we'd have to dispose of these picks via trading into next year (and clubs would know this and we'd potentially get shafted). Or, we could grab a sliding Rodriguez/Curtin; I haven't thought about this too much as I see it as unlikely.
• Hence, in my view, we should be looking to avoid the pick 1/2/13 scenario

OPTION 2; trade 2+13 with Essendon for 5+6, so they can grab CDT

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• This option assumes Essendon are hot on CDT
• It also assumes that Essendon believe that either us or Richmond would take CDT if he was there, else they'd just let him fall to 5. I think there's too much risk from their POV to do this.
• Assumes that Richmond want Grlj + X Taylor, but it is possible that they want Cumming, which would be a bummer for us
• Duursma/Sharp/Cumming is my ideal from this scenario, and my preference from this draft but it could end up as Duursma/Sharp and one of Grlj/X Taylor/Schubert/Dovaston/Farrow/Robey
• I'd be happy with any of Schubert or Grlj or Dovaston here too
  • Schubert projects as a good player and would make a good pairing with Shanahan long term, or a good CHB. I also don't mind the idea of taking another tall early in the rebuild
  • Grlj would also be a good outside complement to Harley/Hewett/Duursma (who I think can all be 'balanced' mids) and Sharp (who would be inside)
  • Dovaston looks great and fills an area of need, would not be unhappy with him
  • Farrow I think would be a slight reach but also don't mind him here
• A Duursma/Sharp/Cumming draft is my preferred draft scenario, and in my view is a live chance via this option.

OPTION 3; TRADE WITH GC, 13 + 34 + 38 FOR 7 and 52

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• First of all, my understanding is that while behind closed doors we can promise not to bid on Uwland/Patterson to save GC points, this can not be made obvious/visible.
• Hence, any points tally we give up MUST be greater than the value of pick 7. If it is less, it is tantamount to draft tampering. I believe this is an actual rule, though Keys/Monocle/ATG would have to confirm.
• Put another way, it is my understanding that saying 'just give them pick 13 only and then promise not to bid with pick 1 or 2 saves them x points, so its more than what Essendon can offer', would not fly with the AFL, as it would be an admission that not bidding is part of a deal, which is not technically allowed.
• However, if we provided pick 7 + 34 + 38, which is 1717 points (i.e. MORE than pick 7, which is worth 1543), and then say Essendon offered 1800 points, we'd be able to give a wink-wink nudge-nudge deal to not bid, which would tip GC over the line to favour our deal, without being too suss.
• In this scenario, its pretty possible we'd miss Cumming and go for one of the other four guys i've listed.
• It also potentially tanks our ability to match bids for Tylah Williams (or anyone else) that come before 37, so adds in risk there too. To be honest, if a bid comes for Williams ahead of 37, i'd just let the other club take him.
• This is still a pretty good result, though not my ideal scenario (as we MAY miss Cumming, though would still get a Dovaston/Schubert/Farrow/Lindsay)

OPTION 4; TRADE WITH RICH SO THEY CAN GRAB CDT (pick 2 for pick 3 and an F2)

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• A bit of an intriguing scenario in my view. This requires Richmond either (a) believing that we want CDT or (b) believing that we (rightfully or not) have Essendon on the phone saying they will do a deal for pick 2. Else, they wouldnt do this deal, and would just take CDT at 3.
• It also obviously requires them to want CDT; jury is out on that one given the talls they took last year.
• Here, we would just swap our pick 2 for pick 3, and a sweetener like their F2.
• I dont think they'd give up any more than this; I dont think 2 + 13 for 3 + 4 would be on the table.
• Some trades to Richmond along the lines of 2 + 13 + 34 + 38 for 3 and 4 have been mooted on this board, which admittedly would be possible, but kills our ability to match for NGAs so invites that risk.
• I quite like this trade, as it gives us a sweetener for 2026 and start to be positioned well then too, when bid matching changes and R2 picks will be quite valuable.
• However, this would need to be combined with Option 3, as per option 1, the risk of holding pick 13 is too high.

OPTION 5 - COMBINE OPTIONS 3 and 4 (i.e. our draft hand ends as 1, 3, 7 and RICH F2)

• I quite like this option, and see this as doable. Sees us take Duursma, Sharp and Cumming/Dovaston/Schubert and having a good hand for next year too!

OPTION 6 - GC COOK THEIR POINT SITUATION AND WE BID ON PATTERSON

• I think this is ulimately unlikely, but if it did occur I would not be averse to crushing their points with a Pick 1 bid on Uwland, and then going Patterson pick 2; he's a good player and would be a guy that would seem to fit Mini's gamestyle. I haven't thought through the permuatations here as much.

Wow, if you've read to the end of this, then you're as much of a loser as I am. Happy to hear everyone's thoughts. Bring on 2026!!!

Great post.
Option 2/3/4/5/6 is good thanks I'll take any of them.

Just spittballing is a trade of pick 2->RICH for pick 3, Young and maybe a swap of STK F2 and RICH F2 an option for option 4?

Option 3 we could still match on bids with pick 41/54 as they would be moving up in value with draft picks being consumed or trade back in if needed I guess.

 

[Wild Kelly]

Jeepers

Grim reading the last few pages

Been a long few years. We'll get through it folks

Not without a decent ruck though, agree?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

It's definately time for Clarke to man up, roll out the heavy artillery and threaten Richmond with PSD over this Young bloke we want. We didn't want to use it, but only one day to go and Richmond are playing hardball so i think it is the best option.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

It's definately time for Clarke to man up, roll out the heavy artillery and threaten Richmond with PSD over this Young bloke we want. We didn't want to use it, but only one day to go and Richmond are playing hardball so i think it is the best option.

We’ve got until Wednesday

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

We’ve got until Wednesday

In any case, the hour is late and i think it is time for the PSD threat.

 

[lusheslewis]

Pick 2 for Pick 3 + Young.

Would that cause a meltdown on here?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

It's definately time for Clarke to man up, roll out the heavy artillery and threaten Richmond with PSD over this Young bloke we want. We didn't want to use it, but only one day to go and Richmond are playing hardball so i think it is the best option.

Bloody oath we need to start threatening Richmond, tell them they’ll have to pay a tariff, that ought to fix it.

 

[TerryFilk]

Pick 2 for Pick 3 + Young.

Would that cause a meltdown on here?

Yes, because we’ll get him for a pick in the 40’s or 50’s?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Pick 2 for Pick 3 + Young.

Would that cause a meltdown on here?

Yes.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I tell you what if you start threatening people/organisations you’re on a slippery slope.
I know how I’d react if someone starts to threaten me in a deal…………

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

In any case, the hour is late and i think it is time for the PSD threat.

The hour is not late. In business hours we’re a little over halfway through the trade period.

 

[random260]

Duursma is so far ahead, it would take a Fairy Godmother deal to prize that away from us.
Let Melb, Rich, Bombtards scrap over pick 2, which is, hopefully, CDT*.
*no disrespect to the young man, it's needs based opinion

If Duursma was so good why didn't he win the Larke Medal? Sharp did win it

If Duursma was so good why didn't he win the Kevin Sh Medal (U16)? Sharp did win it

So are we going be saying in 8 years time-
If Duursma was so good why didn't he win the Rising Star Award or Brownlow? Sharp did win it

Duursma was able to have a better draft year then Sharp but it is really Neck and neck.


Like seriously who wants to bet duursma has a better first season then Dyson Sharp???? Any takers?????

Also who wants to bet when all is said and done Duursma has more brownlow votes then Dyson Sharp??? Any takers???

 

[lusheslewis]

Pick 2 sucks. If Brisbane offered to swap it for Oscar Allen

12

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

I'd consider it.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If Duursma was so good why didn't he win the Larke Medal? Sharp did win it

If Harley’s so good why didn’t he win the Larke Medal? Ryley Sanders did win it.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Pick 2 for Pick 3 + Young.

Would that cause a meltdown on here?

Yes

Why would Richmond do it unless they want the player they think we'd take? And Young is not a guy we should be sacrificing the guy we want for, when we can get him for a nothing pick

 

[txbyhull]

So are we going be saying in 8 years time-
If Duursma was so good why didn't he win the Rising Star Award or Brownlow? Sharp did win it

AFL readiness. 1 is a man-child inside bull that distributes from the coal-face. Hard role to play at AFL level but already shown he is capable of it at SANFL level, if-not limited by that being his only real POD. The other is a tall skinny 193cm outside player. Especially in our side he'll not light the world up in his first year, but in 4 years time when he's bulked up, all things going right, you're looking at a Bont or Cripps-esque stature.

Duursma was able to have a better draft year then Sharp but it is really Neck and neck.

It's really not. I love Sharp and I think production wise he's great and a day-1 starter in the league, but Duursma has great production as well as the athletic POD, frame, potential, versatility, etc.

Like seriously who wants to bet duursma has a better first season then Dyson Sharp???? Any takers?????

Sharp is a man-child, he'll do well at the next level starting day-1.

Also who wants to bet when all is said and done Duursma has more brownlow votes then Dyson Sharp??? Any takers???

If his surname wasn't Duursma this wouldn't be a question. Willem Duursma has the potential to win a brownlow. The way the game is trending Sharp doesn't.

 

[new breed]

Essendon the team that is a possible chance at pick 1 .....Matty Rosa too , might be the next Andrew Mackie

Andrew Mackie

Age

41

Ht

193cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

5.7

5star

T

2.1

4star

MG

346.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.2

4star

so M Clarke better keep hands on the wheel .

 

[chunkylover]

If there’s any evidence needed that the trade period is too long, you’ve got campaigners spending their Sunday morning arguing that we need to get James Rowbottom to the club.

Go outside, mow the lawn, do literally anything else, surely. James Rowbottom. **** me. James Rowbottom.

I’ll have you know I’m sitting on the beach while scrolling this thread thankyou very much

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

It's definately time for Clarke to man up, roll out the heavy artillery and threaten Richmond with PSD over this Young bloke we want. We didn't want to use it, but only one day to go and Richmond are playing hardball so i think it is the best option.

It's hard to tell what The Mole will do.

 

[lusheslewis]

Yes

Why would Richmond do it unless they want the player they think we'd take? And Young is not a guy we should be sacrificing the guy we want for, when we can get him for a nothing pick

Just feels like something is in the works with no deal for Young yet.

If CDT is the guy we want then obviously just take him. Seems like not many people here are keen on him though.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Not without a decent ruck though, agree?

The rucks in the grand final

Pick 47
Pick 65
Pick 37 rookie draft
Puck 54 rookie draft

If we can get one for something around that outlay, sure

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Pick 2 for Pick 3 + Young.

Would that cause a meltdown on here?

Defcon 1