List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Thread - Picks 31, 32, 42, 60 and 71

[Ticky009]

 

[Nuggetz]

Bloody hell, after all of this I need a doozy

 

[FreeAgent1]

Look at it logically

Pick 9 - A first in a poor draft this year (where we are tight on spaces)
F26 - Ok this hurts a little, but you have to give up quality to get quality, obviously we are whipping it's a "late" selection next year
Florent - A player who was in and out of our team this year, on a contract that is a bit too big for his skillset.
Hayward - This hurts yes, but his never finished in the top 10 of our best and fairest, and Curnow strengthens us more than him.

You have to give up quality to bring in quality, on paper I actually think this trade is a win for us.

Judging from Twomeys update sounds like players have now agreed and the salary cap split is agreed….. now just down to picks.

Gotta be honest if Carlton are giving Hayward like $100k for per year for 4 years to get him to agree to come there and we are covering I’m not stoked with that element.

Maybe we give up 32 back if they pay all the salary??

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Didn’t they unofficially already reject this?

Not publicly but they will probably do it before lunch tomorrow then drag it out till 7:00 for the pick haggle

 

[FreeAgent1]

Not publicly but they will probably do it before lunch tomorrow then drag it out till 7:00

Yep then I think we respond give them 32 as well but ask for them to take the full contracted $$$

 

[Nuggetz]

hope trades for buller & serong are done early tomorrow.

 

[FreeAgent1]

hope trades for buller & serong are done early tomorrow.

Strange pies being so stiff give us a third ffs..

Hawks have a bit on but 62 for a VFL player isn’t crazy out of line…. We don’t have a pick in 50s …. What are they hoping for??

Maybe their strategy is wait for Buller trade and then ask for that pick…

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Love this stuff , good to know where people have played and that they actually have
It breaks up the over the top posts
Maybe we could have a thread Where have you played

MCG, I played 1 game for the swans in 2016 v the Tiges. We got ripped off and lost by a point. I was legged as I was about to go for goal, the cheating ump called play on and alas my career was over.

But I was very fast back then, still am.

 

[Highflying Swans]

Florent + Hayward + 2 firsts?

This club has lost its marbles

Yep it is overs as Gerald Healy also pointed out on Fox tonight.
Should just be 2 firsts and Ollie could be a separate deal as he might need a change but Hayward no way. I reckon this might come back and bite us in the bum.
If this goes through Charlie needs to romp in the Coleman medal next year to justify this and of course we are top 4.

 

[FreeAgent1]

MCG, I played 1 game for the swans in 2016 v the Tiges. We got ripped off and lost by a point. I was legged as I was about to go for goal, the cheating ump called play on and alas my career was over.

But I was very fast back then, still am.

Also probably the swans worst academy bid match of all time

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Also probably the swans worst academy bid match of all time

Rub it in why don’t you ! Gee whizz

 

[MrSwans]

Very clever with that enhanced writing , is that a 1st on here

Haha not clever at all. I don't know why it comes out a different font and different?

 

[GoTheSwannies]

MCG, I played 1 game for the swans in 2016 v the Tiges. We got ripped off and lost by a point. I was legged as I was about to go for goal, the cheating ump called play on and alas my career was over.

But I was very fast back then, still am.

Is that your big reveal or am I the only one who didn't already know?

 

[melbournehammer]

I think the more mild concerning reports that we have cap issues fitting Curnow in while mitigating Hayward/Florent.

This despite the cap increasing this season goes to show how costly handing out 5yr deals is.

This is not necessarily correct that it is a function of length rather than quantum. Unless we have absolute knowledge of the pay per year you have no idea what the deals are. Its not the length per se that is the problem. Cap space is not a function of length - and indeed length can assist with cap space because you have more years to front end or back end.

The issue here may be overpaying for a "mid" level player which cox doesnt want going forward. Thats his prerogative but there is a huge issue if the new coach and the list management are trying to move players off the list and add really expensive players in the process.

I have assumed that our cap space was tight because we have for about 3-4 years only recruited discarded players but it is troubling that our financial situation is driving our list management. Shame on those who let this devleop

The club has realistically said that they are willing to pay Florent + Hayward + 11 to upgrade McLean to Curnow and "downgrade" Hayward to Dattoli/King.

I think that it will be a huge upgrade as it could be adding legit 2 goals per game. Which even in the season we had last year with injuries gets us another 4 wins pretty sure it would mean we would finish 5th if we take the wins away from the clubs above us.

That is a huge jump let alone having a health squad

Lets work this through a second. Curnow kicks 60 goals per season. Hayward 30 and Mclean 30. Dattoli lets say 18 for now. That gives us 1 extra goal per match. I dont really see it as a 2 goal swing but if thats what you want thats fine.

Florent may be the 24th- 26th player on the list according to many on this page. Are we saying the roberts and Corey are behind him ? So if we have injuries through the mid backs or form issues we arte going to shuffle into corey and roberts ?

The pick 11 may well be not great because its not a great draft - but its 100% better than no pick at all. Its the opportunity to grab the 11-15th best player in Australia. Which none of the academy kids are.

I understand the upside and it would be amazing if curnow kicked 90 with the better delivery that is promised. And thats great. But when rowell and anderson and miller and petracca (insert ashcroft or diacos etc) are putting our mids to the sword we will need some luck forward of the ball through curnow to make it ok.

Maybe 4 years ago, Heeney is currently better than Petracca is almost every aspect and Clayton Oliver is completely washed, he isn’t good.

We got killed in transition both games, and I think the fact that our forward line isn’t very good doesn’t help with the quality of our entries, better forwards win and bring to ground more 50/50 balls or misplaced kicks / also lead better for the mids.

I dont really want to go over the 2022 GF again but if you have watched the first quarter of that match when the game was in the balance and at every point where we needed to stabilise they just burst out of the centre.

It was exactly the same in the 2024 GF in the second quarter where the game went from somewhat manageable to over in about ten minutes. And every single moment involved something other than transition. It was them just bursting out of the centre square by a long kick or by hands.

We may have won lots of contested ball in the third quarter - and indeed we did but our ability to transiton to the forward line was non existent. It wasnt forwards there either (although that didnt help). It was the midfield. I quote from wikipedia because it supplements my memory.

"Sydney at one stage went ten minutes without an inside-50, and at half time, Brisbane 11.7 (73) led Sydney 4.3 (27) by a commanding 46 points.

Through the twenty-minute purple patch to end the quarter, Brisbane dominated all statistical indicators, including: disposals 55–26; contested possessions 17–8; inside-50s 13–3; and clearances 7–2. Will Ashcroft had six disposals during this period through the midfield, while many of Sydney's midfield leaders had none.[26]"


I am resigned to us making this move at a ridiculous cost because thats what cox wants and clearly i am out of step with a number of experienced and impressive posters. I truly hope it works better than anyone expects because i do think he will improve the tall forwards by quite some amount. But I dont really think that this is addressing our actual areas of need and we have absolutely moved into the all in for heeney and warner mode. I worry what this will make us in 2029, but clearly weve decided tomorrow will look after itself

 

[Jack2Jack]

Assuming we get Charlie & Serong and Lose, Buller, Hayward & Florent...I don't think we walk out of trade period with a stronger list than the one we went into it with. It's not worse but it's not much better.
Charlie means we have stronger top end talent for sure but the outs mean we have weaker depth than we had and it was already shallow. Even though I like the Rosas and Serong selections, they are still both very much speculative prospects rather than definite best 22ers.

It all equals virtually a breakeven, people can spin it themselves however they want, but breakeven is a bit of an underwhelming return from the premium costs we've given up imo.
I'm sure I'll get a 'would you prefer nothing' or a 'at least we did something, blah, blah'....which, yep is true we couldn't do nothing and had to do something, but this also isn't the only path we had to walk down, it's the path we chose to.

It's trading that almost demands a flag in either 26 or 27 to not be a failure. Not trying to be negative so hope like **** it's flag, but am equally nervous/sceptical this could be our Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

moment.....we will need to do some seriously shrewd list management in the next 2 off-seasons to prevent hitting that brick wall right before the compromised drafts.

As for next year, the best 23 looks good enough on paper to win it, but gee that drop-off from about player 25 looks enormous right now...we'll be relying on a very kind injury run or hoping that 3-4 players suddenly come on in a big way.

 

[anotherletdown]

None of this makes any sense to me

It does to me. I'm guessing we just uncovered who our mole is. That should end any leaks

 

[ErrolisGoldun]

Rumours on Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

33

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

, reckon that would be a huge get, talent still outweighs the d!ckhead factor for mine, would be a really astute addition if able to be facilitated, shocked more hasn’t developed for him. Top 5 defender at his best, bad year last year.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Rumours on Steven May, reckon that would be a huge get, talent still outweighs the d!ckhead factor for mine, would be a really astute addition if able to be facilitated, shocked more hasn’t developed for him. Top 5 defender at his best, bad year last year.

I'd take him for the right price. Not sure how big his contract is though. Being in a new environment with knowledge that hes at the end of his career may keep him in check attitude-wise.

 

[Bonz]

Rumours on Steven May, reckon that would be a huge get, talent still outweighs the d!ckhead factor for mine, would be a really astute addition if able to be facilitated, shocked more hasn’t developed for him. Top 5 defender at his best, bad year last year.

Where are these rumours coming from? We ruled out a play for May or Oliver earlier in the trade period.

 

[Donza]

Where are these rumours coming from? We ruled out a play for May or Oliver earlier in the trade period.

Anyone can start a rumour.

 

[bloodsbigot]

Bloody hell, after all of this I need a doozy

Carlton are ripping us off bigtime ay.
Two firsts.
Hayward and Florent.
And a lifetime supply of doozys

 

[dosser]

Rumours on Steven May, reckon that would be a huge get, talent still outweighs the d!ckhead factor for mine, would be a really astute addition if able to be facilitated, shocked more hasn’t developed for him. Top 5 defender at his best, bad year last year.

All Australian at his best, but the cliff came quickly. Watch the last half of the season and you will see a player who couldn't keep up with his opponent any more and was very frustrated by it.

 

[S120]

We’ve got two key defenders who are without question better players right now than Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

33

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

. And we can’t play both of them and May in any functional backline in 2026. Serong fits perfectly as a third defender to take over from Rampe. And on that note, we certainly don’t need Rampe and May on the same list.

 

[browny_88]

On ya Pav

 

[Tedeski]

Assuming we get Charlie & Serong and Lose, Buller, Hayward & Florent...I don't think we walk out of trade period with a stronger list than the one we went into it with. It's not worse but it's not much better.
Charlie means we have stronger top end talent for sure but the outs mean we have weaker depth than we had and it was already shallow. Even though I like the Rosas and Serong selections, they are still both very much speculative prospects rather than definite best 22ers.

It all equals virtually a breakeven, people can spin it themselves however they want, but breakeven is a bit of an underwhelming return from the premium costs we've given up imo.
I'm sure I'll get a 'would you prefer nothing' or a 'at least we did something, blah, blah'....which, yep is true we couldn't do nothing and had to do something, but this also isn't the only path we had to walk down, it's the path we chose to.

It's trading that almost demands a flag in either 26 or 27 to not be a failure. Not trying to be negative so hope like **** it's flag, but am equally nervous/sceptical this could be our Tim Kelly moment.....we will need to do some seriously shrewd list management in the next 2 off-seasons to prevent hitting that brick wall right before the compromised drafts.

As for next year, the best 23 looks good enough on paper to win it, but gee that drop-off from about player 25 looks enormous right now...we'll be relying on a very kind injury run or hoping that 3-4 players suddenly come on in a big way.

You are right J2J.
It’s break even with Curnow in for Hayward. Florent’s money comes off the books & he was going to battle for a spot so that battle is for Serong or Rosas to now fight.

So why are we so infatuated with such a deal?
Well it’s about my old bugbear.

flipping BUMS ON SEATS for the fickle Sydney market. Not the rusted on core but the “celebrity” supporters that make some noise every so often.
Hate it but it seems that’s a recipe we must follow if we want to stay relevant in that market.

 

[S120]

You are right J2J.
It’s break even with Curnow in for Hayward. Florent’s money comes off the books & he was going to battle for a spot so that battle is for Serong or Rosas to now fight.

So why are we so infatuated with such a deal?
Well it’s about my old bugbear.

flipping BUMS ON SEATS for the fickle Sydney market. Not the rusted on core but the “celebrity” supporters that make some noise every so often.
Hate it but it seems that’s a recipe we must follow if we want to stay relevant in that market.

I’d challenge you to find three people who follow AFL football closely who agree that recruiting Charlie Curnow is a breakeven result for losing Will Hayward.