Recommitted Zach Merrett [UFA 2027] - Wanted a trade to Hawthorn, but it didn't get done

[Lore]

There we go, that's the clip:

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So why is Merrett worth so much more?

He is way better that's why. Simple. Again update the future first and Essendon might talk.

 

[boncer34]

So why is Merrett worth so much more?

Have you watched both players actually play?

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Jordan Lewis

Jordan Lewis

Age

39

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

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D/M

Career

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Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

310.5

4star

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D

15.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

4.8

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2.8

5star

was traded at 30 years old (Merrett is 30). He just finished runner up in the B&F in a top 4 team (missing out to Sam Mitchell). (Merrett just won the B&F at a bottom 4 team)

The previous year, Lewis made the AA squad and was instrumental in winning the flag, including top 3 in Norm Smith (Last year, Merrett made the AA squad).
The year before, Lewis was All Australian and won the B&F at the Premiership team (the year before, Merrett was AA and won the B&F in an average team).

I know it's not exactly the same circumstances - but contracted, same age and similar recent performances - does anyone want to guess what Lewis was traded for?

A 3rd and 4th round pick upgrade.

Tell us again how 2 firsts (including a top 10), a 2nd and a fringe player is a "shitty" offer.

(I have 10 more examples up my sleeve if you want - wouldn't mind seeing anyone with anything close to the offer made for Merrett for a 30+ year old midfielder. Ever.)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Well he's considered a far better player than Ned Long who did quite well at Collingwood when he had a chance at a fresh start.

Then he must have been playing both finals and every game Will Day was unavailable right? Or is he as many put a list clogger who basically is a very very good VFL player and there are many of these

 

[boncer34]

Jordan Lewis was traded at 30 years old (Merrett is 30). He just finished runner up in the B&F in a top 4 team (missing out to Sam Mitchell). (Merrett just won the B&F at a bottom 4 team)

The previous year, Lewis made the AA squad and was instrumental in winning the flag, including top 3 in Norm Smith (Last year, Merrett made the AA squad).
The year before, Lewis was All Australian and won the B&F at the Premiership team (the year before, Merrett was AA and won the B&F in an average team).

I know it's not exactly the same circumstances - but contracted, same age and similar recent performances - does anyone want to guess what Lewis was traded for?

A 3rd and 4th round pick upgrade.

Tell us again how 2 firsts (including a top 10), a 2nd and a fringe player is a "shitty" offer.

(I have 10 more examples up my sleeve if you want - wouldn't mind seeing anyone with anything close to the offer made for Merrett for a 30+ year old midfielder. Ever.)

And yet here you are trying to draw parallels.

 

[HeHateMe]

Think if McKenzie was added the wider deal with Picks would change.

If that's the case Essendon would be at the table suggesting that as the counter. I feel you have been very rational on what you think is fair considering the circumstances but you might need to get your head around the fact that Walsh and Brad have too much skin in the game, Brad doesn't want to weaken the list even temporarily as he won't see out a rebuild like that. Walsh has put himself out there and can't/won't walk it back it's the stance that must have got him the job.

 

[MinerBoy]

Then he must have been playing both finals and every game Will Day was unavailable right? Or is he as many put a list clogger who basically is a very very good VFL player and there are many of these

No he musn't have. Either was Ned Long.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No he musn't have. Either was Ned Long.

Neither are that good and HH is just a list clogger for Essendon, everyone knows why Hawthorn wants him involved lol

Lewis for me is a way closer deal.

 

[H00t]

Well, no that's not an apt analogy at all, because Essendon have a Lambo(Merrett) and hawthorn are trying to offer up a 180b Datsun(Hustwaite) with a custom spoiler(f1st) and Alpine stereo with subwoofer(pick 9).

The Lambo can't leave without the keys and a driver.

Haha. Hustwaite would be a cheap car to get them around while they go use all the picks ($$$) to go find some more quality cars.

 

[bzparkes]

Haha. Hustwaite would be a cheap car to get them around while they go use all the picks ($$$) to go find some more quality cars.

Or they could just keep the Lambo, because they don't really need to sell it to begin with, and use the picks they currently have?

 

[boncer34]

If that's the case Essendon would be at the table suggesting that as the counter. I feel you have been very rational on what you think is fair considering the circumstances but you might need to get your head around the fact that Walsh and Brad have too much skin in the game, Brad doesn't want to weaken the list even temporarily as he won't see out a rebuild like that. Walsh has put himself out there and can't/won't walk it back it's the stance that must have got him the job.

He's been taken off the table by Hawthorn. Suggets they're aware of Essendon's interest

 

[bzparkes]

Jordan Lewis was traded at 30 years old (Merrett is 30). He just finished runner up in the B&F in a top 4 team (missing out to Sam Mitchell). (Merrett just won the B&F at a bottom 4 team)

The previous year, Lewis made the AA squad and was instrumental in winning the flag, including top 3 in Norm Smith (Last year, Merrett made the AA squad).
The year before, Lewis was All Australian and won the B&F at the Premiership team (the year before, Merrett was AA and won the B&F in an average team).

I know it's not exactly the same circumstances - but contracted, same age and similar recent performances - does anyone want to guess what Lewis was traded for?

A 3rd and 4th round pick upgrade.

Tell us again how 2 firsts (including a top 10), a 2nd and a fringe player is a "shitty" offer.

(I have 10 more examples up my sleeve if you want - wouldn't mind seeing anyone with anything close to the offer made for Merrett for a 30+ year old midfielder. Ever.)

Well, 1 player was getting pushed out and the other isn't.

Clayton Oliver's going for a 3rd rounder, for instance.

 

[Milanista28]

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What about Zach Merrett, James?

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Zach is contracted, that's the main difference.

 

[HeHateMe]

He's been taken off the table by Hawthorn. Suggets they're aware of Essendon's interest

Hawthorn has or has maybe the third party?

 

[boncer34]

Hawthorn has or has maybe the third party?

Hawthorn said he's not on the table

 

[HeHateMe]

Hawthorn said he's not on the table

That doesn't make sense with how the club operates with the list, we allow players if they want to look for opportunities. If Mackenzie is requesting a trade to Essendon why wouldn't he be included in a trade for Merrett.

Either way ask yourself how your clubs getting the Mackenzie deal done if hawks can't get the Merrett deal done with there supposed stance of not including a player that wants to go to your club?

 

[Guardian Hawk]

And yet here you are trying to draw parallels.

Well, not exactly. It feels like (a select few) have lost all perspective on the value of 30+ year olds at the trade table (or even the value of first rounders). If you look at any trade ever to develop a precedent (even accounting for slight differences in circumstances) there is no way you look at the offer made for Merrett and conclude it's a "shitty offer"

Hell, it's more than nearly every Essendon supporter was asking for in this very thread prior to the offer being made.

 

[eastfreo75]

Seems like teams want A grade talent but refuse to trade B graders in return.

 

[boncer34]

That doesn't make sense with how the club operates with the list, we allow players if they want to look for opportunities. If Mackenzie is requesting a trade to Essendon why wouldn't he be included in a trade for Merrett.

Either way ask yourself how your clubs getting the Mackenzie deal done if hawks can't get the Merrett deal done with there supposed stance of not including a player that wants to go to your club?

Mackenzie has told Hawthorn that. Hence their stance. Yes?

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Well, not exactly. It feels like (a select few) have lost all perspective on the value of 30+ year olds at the trade table (or even the value of first rounders). If you look at any trade ever to develop a precedent (even accounting for slight differences in circumstances) there is no way you look at the offer made for Merrett and conclude it's a "shitty offer"

Hell, it's more than nearly every Essendon supporter was asking for in this very thread prior to the offer being made.

Exactly.

We're trying to trade for 100 games from Zac Merrett. Given the age, we'd prob only see the first half of those as elite/at his current standard.

2 first rounders + a second for 50 elite games and 50 very good ones.

 

[HeHateMe]

Mackenzie has told Hawthorn that. Hence their stance. Yes?

He has told Hawthorn he wants to move to Essendon?

 

[SSSSSS]

This thread is one to tell the grandkids about.

Whatever happens. It's been a pleasure.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

This thread is one to tell the grandkids about.

Whatever happens. It's been a pleasure.

It has not been a pleasure. It's been a compulsive obligation.

But I'l miss it

 

[fishardansin]

It’s funny watching multiple Essendon supporters who were saying 2 firsts and HH was a good deal, hell the Hawks even threw in a 2nd rounder and make no mistake HH will be a best 23 player for Essendon straight away.
A prominent player manager with no skin in this deal even said it was a good deal and Essendon were being childish.
These same people who said “That’s a fair deal” “We should take that” are now backpedaling because their incompetent club tells them so.

It’s like a cult, a shitty cult ….. but a cult non the less.

Not really. I and a few others have been saying that Essendon most likely won't do the trade unless we end up with a player we can wheel out AND pick 9 AND something that helps with securing Bewick and academy picks in the 2027 draft.

If Hawthorn wanted to make this trade, then they would have been doing the ground work talking to players who would be part of Essendon potentially being a contender in 3 years time, to get a player who will help them be a contender next year.

Walk away Hawthorn not worth it.

Yes, it looks like they aren't.

Fair enough don’t blame them.

Pick 9 + future 1st + 2nd round + McKenzie would be ridiculous overs.

That wouldn't be enough, change the 2nd rounder to 2027 first round.

2025

Hawks
Gain:
Gia as Development Coach

Loss:
Nothing

Dons
Gain:
Disgruntled captain and team disharmony

Loss:
Potential to improve list significantly for the future

2026 (after Dons finish bottom 4 and commit to a rebuild)

Hawks
Gain:
Zerrett

Loss:
2R pick

Dons
Gain:
2R pick

Loss:
Zerrett

You really think that Essendon will have less harmony next year if they have an ex captain setting high standards for the youth while winning our best and fairest if he's got it in his mind that he'll be looking for a trade at the end of the year? Assuming that the fitness team does turn it around and Essendon has a fit list next year there is already infinitely less doom and gloom based disharmony, that far outweighs any negative feelings about Merrett thinking about leaving. So, they're in front for disharmony.

At next year's trade table Merrett is still contracted, so he won't be going anywhere for 2nd rounder! If he leaves end of next year, then Essendon have another year's development into all of the kids who debuted this year in more competitive games and at a club that has more competition for spots in the seniors, as well as 4 quality 18 year olds from this year. They'll have cash and the higher level of optimism means to go hard at the juicy free agents available. Merrett will either change his mind or he'll be traded for lots of points in the 2027 draft and enough salary cap room to get two free agents on record deals. The other option is, Merrett doesn't change his mind and is keen to get drafted to a club that doesn't come up with a deal that pleases Essendon again and they hold him to his 2027 contract.

After 2027, Hawthorn will have a forward line without Gunston, will be relying on Chol to be still be playing out of his skin and Sicily, Barass, Amon and Impey all older than Merrett. The first two are banged-up KPPs. Hawthorn need to move now on forwards and mids, or this build won't get past being a fringe contender and will have to start rebuilding after Tassie introduction subsides.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

2 first that are similar given our first is better this year cancel out

Our secondary piece is pick 29 not Hustwaite he was a throw in like Florent was

So pick 29 for Hayward and getting a pick back is fairly even (valuing hayward at pick 20)

So both offers are very similar while Curnow is the more expensive asset given his age, position and having 4 years left.

Your second rounder is NOT pick 29! Under what planet nowadays is that ever going to be pick 29, you are doing well to get WCE's second being that value these days with all the compensation, F/S and academy. It's closer to 40. Even if we assume you drop a position or two (you won't and Essendon have a right to assume the other way) that's a pick around 36-40.

Actually break it down, pick 9 becomes pick 11-14 this year that's the first piece. Next years first is 18-21, and a second is 38-40.

Hustwaithe is a VFL player every club has a few of these, but not sure Essendon need MORE of these they already have Memsie types etc