Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[The Punter]

As bad as people claim it is under Labor, it would be worse under the Vic Liberals.

Look how poorly they handle everything. Look at the messes they keep making.
Imagine if they'd been in power at all over the last decade.

Complain all you like, lie even. But be honest with yourselves on how much worse everything would have been handled under the Liberal party.

Unless any of you think it would have actually been better?

The CFMEU would not have been allowed into government construction sites, so any infrastructure that would have been built would have been built for less. As a result, government debt would be lower. There would not have been a massive expansion of upper and middle management in the public service.

 

[Gralin]

The CFMEU would not have been allowed into government construction sites, so any infrastructure that would have been built would have been built for less. As a result, government debt would be lower. There would not have been a massive expansion of upper and middle management in the public service.

laughable to think that it wouldn't just be a different group profiteering off any contracts

of course corporate greed good, union greed bad

yes I know actual crime figures were involved but if corporate crime was treated the same as bikie crime there would be a lot of people from board rooms in jail

they get a fine and are allowed to keep most of the illegally gained profits though so its all good

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

The CFMEU would not have been allowed into government construction sites, so any infrastructure that would have been built would have been built for less. As a result, government debt would be lower. There would not have been a massive expansion of upper and middle management in the public service.

Because the contractor would never ever charge more? Seems your a bit nieve on the real world there Punter.

 

[10571z]

No, Indigenous treaty will not cost Aussie taxpayers billions each year | AAP

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70 million each year to have a treaty in Victoria, this state is beyond a joke. Labor is genuinely out of control

 

[Gralin]

No, Indigenous treaty will not cost Aussie taxpayers billions each year | AAP

www.aap.com.au

70 million each year to have a treaty in Victoria, this state is beyond a joke. Labor is genuinely out of control

Whats the actual issue here?

Where is the joke?

How is the government out of control?

 

[The Punter]

The most hilarious aspect to me of the entire treaty discussion is this idea that "Victorians didn't vote for it", as the Sky News types point to the 46-54 Voice referendum result in Victoria.

Labor took their commitment to a treaty to the 2022 State Election. You're damn right Victorians voted for it.

 

[10571z]

Whats the actual issue here?

Where is the joke?

How is the government out of control?

Love to hear your break down of how a treaty requires 70 million a year to operate?

It’s a joke it was even done.

Government is spiraling in debt, every project is costing 10x more than we thought and crime is rising.

 

[Gralin]

Love to hear your break down of how a treaty requires 70 million a year to operate?

It’s a joke it was even done.

Government is spiraling in debt, every project is costing 10x more than we thought and crime is rising.

Ah so you can't actually explain your chicken little posting

 

[10571z]

Ah so you can't actually explain your chicken little posting

Which part are you struggling with?

They’ve had basically exclusive control of the state for decades

Debt
Crime
Costs

All spiralling out of control.

Now a treaty will cost another 70 million a year and for what?

 

[Gralin]

Which part are you struggling with?

They’ve had basically exclusive control of the state for decades

Debt
Crime
Costs

All spiralling out of control.

Now a treaty will cost another 70 million a year and for what?

More emotive mashing of the keys without any substance

 

[10571z]

More emotive mashing of the keys without any substance

Haha, no substance.
Point me towards where I’m wrong..

 

[Gralin]

Haha, no substance.
Point me towards where I’m wrong..

Why would I waste my time on something you won't listen to

 

[CM86]

No, Indigenous treaty will not cost Aussie taxpayers billions each year | AAP

www.aap.com.au

70 million each year to have a treaty in Victoria, this state is beyond a joke. Labor is genuinely out of control

You're the one that complained about Australian's booing the US national anthem at a fake wrestling event, right?

But you draw the line at Aboriginal representation in Australia...

You didn't even read the article you posted.

 

[10571z]

You're the one that complained about Australian's booing the US national anthem at a fake wrestling event, right?

But you draw the line at Aboriginal representation in Australia...

You didn't even read the article you posted.

I read the article and they declared it will cost around 70 million annually.

Which part is confusing you?

 

[CM86]

I read the article and they declared it will cost around 70 million annually.

Which part is confusing you?

This year?
Next year?

Why are you asking what it's being spent on, when it mentions plenty of it in the article you linked?


Why don't you want Aboriginal people to have representation in Australia?

 

[10571z]

This year?
Next year?

Why are you asking what it's being spent on, when it mentions plenty of it in the article you linked?


Why don't you want Aboriginal people to have representation in Australia?

It’s costing over 70 million annually risings over 2% yearly.

Its very broad of where the money actually goes.

Regardless it’ll again achieve nothing, cost a bomb and just be another step towards keeping division going.

 

[CM86]

It’s costing over 70 million annually risings over 2% yearly.

Its very broad of where the money actually goes.

Regardless it’ll again achieve nothing, cost a bomb and just be another step towards keeping division going.

It isn't costing that much this year, or next year.
Not even this financial year or next financial year.
You'd know that if you'd read what you linked.

See, it's not the cost you have an issue with. It's the cause.

It could be $2 billion, or $2 thousand, and you'd still find an excuse to oppose it.



Even if it was $70 million this year. That's what, $1000 per First Nations people in Victoria?
You don't care. You're just pushing hateful rhetoric against groups of people you hate.

 

[10571z]

It isn't costing that much this year, or next year.
Not even this financial year or next financial year.
You'd know that if you'd read what you linked.

See, it's not the cost you have an issue with. It's the cause.

It could be $2 billion, or $2 thousand, and you'd still find an excuse to oppose it.



Even if it was $70 million this year. That's what, $1000 per First Nations people in Victoria?
You don't care. You're just pushing hateful rhetoric against groups of people you hate.

“This states there will be $3 million in 2025/26 and $23.8 million in 2026/27 to set up the body. It will then receive $71 million in 2027/28 and $72.1 million in 2028/29 for its initial operation, rising by 2.5 per cent annually thereafter.”

It’s an ongoing 70 million dollar cost from 2027 until what? Forever.

 

[Gough]

“This states there will be $3 million in 2025/26 and $23.8 million in 2026/27 to set up the body. It will then receive $71 million in 2027/28 and $72.1 million in 2028/29 for its initial operation, rising by 2.5 per cent annually thereafter.”

It’s an ongoing 70 million dollar cost from 2027 until what? Forever.

Governments spend that sort of money everyday on all sorts of projects without even thinking and it's crickets. That spend goes toward Aboriginal Australia and all of a sudden it's wasteful and divisive, why is that?

 

[10571z]

Governments spend that sort of money everyday on all sorts of projects without even thinking and it's crickets. That spend goes toward Aboriginal Australia and all of a sudden it's wasteful and divisive, why is that?

Yeah what’s another 70 million matter.

 

[Gough]

Yeah what’s another 70 million matter.

It doesn't usually, that my point. Why are you so down on this particularly spend?

 

[Deliverance]

“This states there will be $3 million in 2025/26 and $23.8 million in 2026/27 to set up the body. It will then receive $71 million in 2027/28 and $72.1 million in 2028/29 for its initial operation, rising by 2.5 per cent annually thereafter.”

It’s an ongoing 70 million dollar cost from 2027 until what? Forever.

The govt gives ~60 billion a year in franking credits to people who don't pay tax. I think there are bigger fish to fry.

If Santos paid their fair share of tax, we'd have well over the 70 mill talked about here.

 

[eddiesmith]

$70 million a year would fund the CFAs fleet replacement that is in desperate need, but the government can only find $10 million a year in their budget for it…Good to see they’ve found some more money, maybe other organisations will be able to benefit.

Lucky we don’t have bad fire seasons in Victoria.

 

[Saint]

Why, if everything is "spiralling out of control" are things barely changing?

Economic indicators are about the same as every other state.

Crime is less in Victoria than most other states.

There are so many problems with the Government and all the Libs are going to do is dust off the same two tired arguments:

"Spiralling crime waves"
"Debt and Deficit disaster"

One day these two things might actually become a problem but the Liberals and their supporters at 3AW and the Hun have cried wolf so many times that they've made the ALP immune to these attacks.

If you're going to roll out the same tired attacks, you're going to have to explain why they're worse now than for the last 10 years while you've all been saying the exact same thing and the ALP keep getting voted in and the sky hasn't collapsed under all the debt and criminals yet.

 

[10571z]

Why, if everything is "spiralling out of control" are things barely changing?

Economic indicators are about the same as every other state.

Crime is less in Victoria than most other states.

There are so many problems with the Government and all the Libs are going to do is dust off the same two tired arguments:

"Spiralling crime waves"
"Debt and Deficit disaster"

One day these two things might actually become a problem but the Liberals and their supporters at 3AW and the Hun have cried wolf so many times that they've made the ALP immune to these attacks.

If you're going to roll out the same tired attacks, you're going to have to explain why they're worse now than for the last 10 years while you've all been saying the exact same thing and the ALP keep getting voted in and the sky hasn't collapsed under all the debt and criminals yet.

You don’t think the states debt and crime is an issue?