Delisted Callum Ah Chee - Joins Adelaide via the PSD

[Crow till I die]

 

[FyfeToAdelaide]

If you were to include all things that distort the draft (Father/son’s, Academy/NGA’s, priority draft picks and FA compensation) Lions have had 2 top 10 picks this century- Ashcroft boys.

Guess how many Adelaide have had.

 

[Groo2]

Guess how many Adelaide have had.

Sure, but you threw that out there, just trying to give a bit of perspective

 

[Crouch]

If you were to include all things that distort the draft (Father/son’s, Academy/NGA’s, priority draft picks and FA compensation) Lions have had 2 top 10 picks this century- Ashcroft boys.

Move the goalposts to top 15 and that figure doubles. No use nitpicking over the details, the point is still valid.

 

[FyfeToAdelaide]

Sure, but you threw that out there, just trying to give a bit of perspective

I threw nothing out there.

I see the problem. A team given many leg ups would value things differently to one never given a leg up, that's possibly the reason no trade was completed.

 

[Purple Suit]

If you were to include all things that distort the draft (Father/son’s, Academy/NGA’s, priority draft picks and FA compensation) Lions have had 2 top 10 picks this century- Ashcroft boys.

What are you talking about, Lions had three top 3 picks in a row not even counting the Ashcroft boys.

 

[Tom14]

What are you talking about, Lions had three top 3 picks in a row not even counting the Ashcroft boys.

Assuming you are talking about Scache, McCluggage, Rayner - we got them the old fashioned way, by sucking.

To date we haven't had a single top 10 pick academy player (will change this year) and the ashcroft boys are only top 10 F/S picks.

 

[Groo2]

What are you talking about, Lions had three top 3 picks in a row not even counting the Ashcroft boys.

From regular draft (because of ladder position), not from the things that distort the draft

 

[Groo2]

Move the goalposts to top 15 and that figure doubles. No use nitpicking over the details, the point is still valid.

Again, it was you that mentioned top 10 picks. I was replying to that, but I’m grad it made to do the research

 

[Dom PC]

And bad clubs use it as a strategy to try to retain the player despite Ah Chee being transparent and open for his wish to seek a new start very early in the season after being loyal and underpaid for years. Did you heard Dom "the prick" interview, he is still trying to get Ah Chee to re-sign lol. Maybe had he not been so cheap with Ah Chee for years then he might have sign this new contract.

Now you're just talking nonsense.

You did not get the trade done.. why do you guys keep making these one sided arguments that can be used the exact same way to counter.. oh wonder if players will be wanting to sign with Brisbane seeing how little they care about them if they ask for a fair trade to leave after being so loyal previously derp derpity derp

Every player that has committed to us over the last 10 odd years, we have gotten the trade done. Even if the club thought it was overs. History suggests that's what the good clubs do... the onus wasn't on Brisbane to get him to Adelaide, we didn't commit to that. Adelaide didn't get the trade done... Brisbane wasn't asking for the world (unless you think an early 2nd rd pick is the world).

It’s easy to be a winner when you get free academy talent. You could have brought in zero free agents and they would be giving you an A.

The only 1st rd pick academy player we have on our list currently is Eric Hipwood... the reality is we got lucky with father sons... a rule available to every club and is just pure luck.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Brisbane don't care, 2nd rounders are like 4th rounders to them. They only deal with 1st rounders or junk picks used to get high F&S and Academy picks. Them and GCS and to some extent GWS and Sydney think 2nd rounders different to the rest of the clubs.

Go take a look at the new draft points chart, junk picks don't matter anymore. And mid second is immensely more valuable than a late second that gets pushed potentially out to pick 40.

Your club had to satisfy our demands for a trade to get done, not the other way around. It didn't happen, you get him for free, you should be overjoyed. But in this thread we find you and several of your fellow Adelaide fans being bitter and annoyed. I wonder why.

The 2027 F2 was going to be compromised, Dom "the prick" was just trying to win the trade as he knew no competent list manager was going to trade consecutive F2 as it give them less option in consecutive years.

Less option for what? As the 2027 draft is going to be compromised, Adelaide should have been fine with giving a way a pick that would have been devalued. But they weren't.

 

[Purple Suit]

Assuming you are talking about Scache, McCluggage, Rayner - we got them the old fashioned way, by sucking.

To date we haven't had a single top 10 pick academy player (will change this year) and the ashcroft boys are only top 10 F/S picks.

You guys are funny. Only talk in top 10 picks now you have had so much free talent. You got free early 2nd rounders and then by getting a lot of academy talent in the 10-40 zone, it allowed you to use all your picks to bring in known A graders rather than doing everything through the draft. It's the flexibility that basically got you them for free or at a huge discount.

Most other clubs have to spend years worth or give up good players too.

From regular draft (because of ladder position), not from the things that distort the draft

You just distorted the draft with a pick 2 pickup in Allen. See above.

Now you're just talking nonsense.

Every player that has committed to us over the last 10 odd years, we have gotten the trade done. Even if the club thought it was overs. History suggests that's what the good clubs do... the onus wasn't on Brisbane to get him to Adelaide, we didn't commit to that. Adelaide didn't get the trade done... Brisbane wasn't asking for the world (unless you think an early 2nd rd pick is the world).

The only 1st rd pick academy player we have on our list currently is Eric Hipwood... the reality is we got lucky with father sons... a rule available to every club and is just pure luck.

Nah, see above. You would have gotten Neale but you never have the picks for Dunkley or Cameron without being able to get free hits from academy, pp's and now F/S's. You probably still get to flag territory but the AFL has now allowed you to build a monster that can lose late 2nd rounders for fun. It's like the GC use to but with a flag team.

 

[bzparkes]

Glad to see all the PSD clubs slowly waking up to the fact that a dual premiership player is available for a free hit on cap.

West Coast, Port Adelaide were the obvious ones.

Carlton now have the cap space thanks to Curnow moving on. Bombers - well bombers will take any good player to improve their list at this stage. There's hardly anyone still pulling the big bucks with all frontloaded contracts clearing books.

I don't see how Ah Chee's manager is going to bully 2 big victorian clubs. Ah Chee more than likely to end up in Victoria now. I'd say Saints will be a sneaky chance too as they were in full-on win now mode this off-season. Adding a dual premiership player for free? Gubby and SOS will have their grubby fingers all over it

Ain't happening.

He'll end up at the Crows, whether anyone likes it or not.

 

[Br0ckyy]

show us a trade where BRISBANE have done this

Not to this extreme, but in the 2015 draft you lot were able pick up 3 early picks (sub 25), hipwood, keays and josh schache(who was pick 2 from vic) when they had a single first and a few late seconds around the 40 range. I’m sure there’s probably an instance where they’ve done the exact same, but don’t really care to put in the effort to go through every draft and trade period since academies were introduced.

Plus, was able to essentially get pick 1 last year (Levi would have been pick 1 but clubs too scared to bid early on f/s incase they hurt others feelings)while also picking up sam Marshall, another first rounder, through academy, after you just won the premiership and came into draft night with the highest pick being 27.

Either have father sons or academies, don’t double dip

 

[Groo2]

You guys are funny. Only talk in top 10 picks now you have had so much free talent. You got free early 2nd rounders and then by getting a lot of academy talent in the 10-40 zone, it allowed you to use all your picks to bring in known A graders rather than doing everything through the draft. It's the flexibility that basically got you them for free or at a huge discount.

Most other clubs have to spend years worth or give up good players too.


You just distorted the draft with a pick 2 pickup in Allen. See above.


Nah, see above. You would have gotten Neale but you never have the picks for Dunkley or Cameron without being able to get free hits from academy, pp's and now F/S's. You probably still get to flag territory but the AFL has now allowed you to build a monster that can lose late 2nd rounders for fun. It's like the GC use to but with a flag team.

Lions didn’t get the pick 2, just the free agent, which is open to all clubs. The compensation (that distorts the draft) is between the AFL and the eagles

 

[bzparkes]

You wont be laughing when he doesn't get to the Crows.

Eagles were into Ah chee before he chose the Crows. And without a doubt they will be talking to him and his manager every day before the PSD.

Why wouldn't they select him in the PSD?

WA boy who was considering heading home.

He's not getting to WCE mate, Clarke's already said not interested.

 

[bzparkes]

I must say, I'm genuinely amused to see Brisbane fans having a sook over this considering they got an AFL assistance package, courtesy of WCE, for Starvevich.

Unreal.

 

[ABAB]

Go take a look at the new draft points chart, junk picks don't matter anymore. And mid second is immensely more valuable than a late second that gets pushed potentially out to pick 40.

Your club had to satisfy our demands for a trade to get done, not the other way around. It didn't happen, you get him for free, you should be overjoyed. But in this thread we find you and several of your fellow Adelaide fans being bitter and annoyed. I wonder why.


Less option for what? As the 2027 draft is going to be compromised, Adelaide should have been fine with giving a way a pick that would have been devalued. But they weren't.

I said I would have given it just to see mpal6's head explode with the continuous "1st rounder or nothing" lol. But list manager don't want to trade consecutive F2 as it give them less option to work with.

 

[Groo2]

Not to this extreme, but in the 2015 draft you lot were able pick up 3 early picks (sub 25), hipwood, keays and josh schache(who was pick 2 from vic) when they had a single first and a few late seconds around the 40 range. I’m sure there’s probably an instance where they’ve done the exact same, but don’t really care to put in the effort to go through every draft and trade period since academies were introduced.

Plus, was able to essentially get pick 1 last year (Levi would have been pick 1 but clubs too scared to bid early on f/s incase they hurt others feelings)while also picking up sam Marshall, another first rounder, through academy, after you just won the premiership and came into draft night with the highest pick being 27.

Either have father sons or academies, don’t double dip

Crows can get father/sons and NGA’s is that ok through?

 

[Dom PC]

Nah, see above. You would have gotten Neale but you never have the picks for Dunkley or Cameron without being able to get free hits from academy, pp's and now F/S's. You probably still get to flag territory but the AFL has now allowed you to build a monster that can lose late 2nd rounders for fun. It's like the GC use to but with a flag team.

I get your frustrations (it'd bug me too if i wasn't a Brisbane fan), but father sons is just luck of the draw... You're in the wrong thread for this my friend.

This thread is about Adelaide's failure in not trading in a 2x premiership forward, who they will now try and drag through the PSD...

 

[Br0ckyy]

Guess how many Adelaide have had.

That’s because we got absolutely shafted by the terms of father-sons. Their dad needed to play at least 200 games in the sanfl to be considered an FA, in WA it’s 150, vic it’s 100, qld it’s 100 for either Fitzroy or the lions, swans the same.

We missed out on Maynard by 4 games btw

 

[CFC_#17]

I have two trains of thoughts,

1. Lions have had so many hand outs the last few years with all the academy and father sons, plus the free agents that have gotten they shouldn’t be such pricks when they let their players go.

2. Crows got Jordan Dawson

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17.0

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5.7

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0.6

3star

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15.7

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K

10.9

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2.9

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2.0

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11.8

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5.0

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3.0

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0.6

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for well unders, which was a joke. And didn’t want to give up anything again this year.

In my opinion I hope Port pick up Ah Chee, so lions get nothing, Ah Chee gets the money he deserves and Adelaide missed out for not coming to the party.

 

[Br0ckyy]

I get your frustrations (it'd bug me too if i wasn't a Brisbane fan), but father sons is just luck of the draw... You're in the wrong thread for this my friend.

This thread is about Adelaide's failure in not trading in a 2x premiership forward, who they will now try and drag through the PSD...

More like brisbanes failure to get absolutely anything for a player that just did everything a club could ask for, and then they said “don’t let the door slam you on the way out”

 

[ABAB]

I have two trains of thoughts,

1. Lions have had so many hand outs the last few years with all the academy and father sons, plus the free agents that have gotten they shouldn’t be such pricks when they let their players go.

2. Crows got Jordan Dawson for well unders, which was a joke. And didn’t want to give up anything again this year.

In my opinion I hope Port pick up Ah Chee, so lions get nothing, Ah Chee gets the money he deserves and Adelaide missed out for not coming to the party.

You do know Dawson wasn't a dual AA when he was traded otherwise he would have went for 2 1st rounders with one of them in the top 10, pick 14 was fair value at that time.

 

[Dom PC]

More like brisbanes failure to get absolutely anything for a player that just did everything a club could ask for, and then they said “don’t let the door slam you on the way out”

Everyone at Brisbane loves Cal and rates him really highly... it's Adelaide that clearly don't... they just like him because he's "free". Bit sad really. At least he'll be paid really well!

 

[Br0ckyy]

Crows can get father/sons and NGA’s is that ok through?

Going to say the exact same thing I’ve already said on here. Look at the father son game requirement for SA, now compare that to WA, then to Vic.

Brisbane benefit off the Vic scheme, since they used to be Fitzroy.

Why is one state 200 games, vs 150, vs 100? So yeah, I guess when a father son for that actually plays AFL for Adelaide, which has happened once in history rolls around, I guess that’s too much