20th AFL Team

[Canberra Pear]

As someone from Brisbane I go for the Lions and the Broncos.

I was lucky enough to obviously see both my AFL and NRL team win the premiership in the same year, BUT I was even luckier to actually be able to attend both grand finals and see BOTH my teams win in the flesh. I also have a mate who travelled down from Brisbane to Canberra for the Broncos finals win against the Raiders then down to Melbourne two weeks later for the AFL grand final (and then ran out of money to travel for the NRL grand final).

As for Canberra I know people who go for the Raiders and their own AFL team. Although I haven't asked if they would swap for a Canberra team. But in practice there would be a lot that would.

It won't happen, but I'd like to see some cross-code fixture planning with the single-team towns.

It'd be great to have a Canberra team and the Raiders playing the Suns/Titans, Lions/Broncos, West Coast/Bears on the same weekend and fans could travel to the city, watch both games and make a weekend of it.

 

[RedV3x]

It won't happen, but I'd like to see some cross-code fixture planning with the single-team towns.

With your thinking you should be a mod, but you are so naive.
We already have cross-code fixture planning but to the negative not the positive.

Why not go further and have Canberra Raiders Sports club.
It's too late for elsewhere but Canberra.....

 

[Canberra Pear]

With your thinking you should be a mod, but you are so naive.
We already have cross-code fixture planning but to the negative not the positive.

Why not go further and have Canberra Raiders Sports club.
It's too late for elsewhere but Canberra.....

How is that naive?

I said I know it'll never happen, it's just what I'd like to see.

But no thanks to being a mod. I spend far too much time on here as it is

 

[Aussie in exile]

My personal view is that a Canberra team should be playing all its regular season men's games in Canberra. At absolute most, one game away (Wagga).

I think it would be good to play regular preseason and AFLW matches in Wagga. Maybe rotate it around a bit to Narrandera, Griffith, South Coast etc.

Albury is pretty much equidistant between Canberra and Melbourne. I would leave that for a Victorian team. Canberra would make a good opposition though.

But the difference between Canberra games in the Riverina and splitting games between Darwin in Cairns is the purpose. A northern team would rely on Cairns game to financially strengthen their bid. Riverina games would mostly be a form of giving back, but Canberra wouldn't actually financially rely on those games.

Yes and GWS should be palying all their games in Sydney

 

[Badger17]

With your thinking you should be a mod, but you are so naive.
We already have cross-code fixture planning but to the negative not the positive.

Why not go further and have Canberra Raiders Sports club.
It's too late for elsewhere but Canberra.....

How is that naive?

I said I know it'll never happen, it's just what I'd like to see.

But no thanks to being a mod. I spend far too much time on here as it is

What's naive or unrealistic about that?

The Raiders and Brumbies semiregularly cross-promote and do two for one deals and the like. The ANZAC weekend games this year being a recent example. They were even meant to play a doubleheader at Eden Park against the Blues and Warriors that was unfortunately cancelled because of covid.

I imagine that it'd be a logistical nightmare to organise something like an NRL-AFL doubleheader, so I can't see anything like that happening, but Canberra isn't like the rest of the country. It's a multi-code city where most people follow multiple teams in multiple sports, and there's lots more cooperation between the codes and teams than normal because of that.

Setting aside possible angst because of the political situation and stadium, which would be more directed at the government anyway, I can totally see the other codes working with an AFL club as long as they were open to it. If I was the AFL I'd even go so far as to try and get people involved in the club that'd be amenable to that and have previous relationships with the Raiders and Brumbies. Maybe try and get somebody like Brad Clyde (Canberra boy, ex-Raider, strong corporate background, much more of an Aussie Rules guy growing up) to be the president or CEO or something.

 

[RedV3x]

What's naive or unrealistic about that?

The Raiders and Brumbies semiregularly cross-promote and do two for one deals and the like.

Rugby and NRL are virtually competitors.

I imagine that it'd be a logistical nightmare to organise something like an NRL-AFL doubleheader

So many AFCs are combined football+ netball and don't see the need for double-headers.
But doubleheaders could be accommodated by a multi-purpose sports ground.
You could have have a really big main stadium on one wing and play NRL close to one boundary.

It's a multi-code city where most people follow multiple teams in multiple sports, and there's lots more cooperation between the codes and teams than normal because of that.

Yes, without putting Canberra down, it still has the features, the co-operative features, of a big town

If I was the AFL I'd even go so far as to try and get people involved in the club that'd be amenable to that and have previous relationships with the Raiders and Brumbies.

That'd be a good move. There have been plenty of cross-code inputs over time.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Do any West Aussies (or those with more industry knowledge) know how the Optus football-generated revenue works?

As part of the move to Optus, the WA clubs annually pay $10.3m of football-related revenue (tickets, food, drink etc) to the WAFC. Do people know if it's an even split between the clubs? Or related specific to revenue earned?

I would assume a third team would be expected to contribute, too. I've said before I think WA3 would be aiming for a fifth of Perth, which (I think) means they'd be paying roughly $2m a year of their footy-related Optus revenue.

I believe this is also different from the WAFC royalty the WA clubs pay as well.

 

[The_Wookie]

Do any West Aussies (or those with more industry knowledge) know how the Optus football-generated revenue works?

As part of the move to Optus, the WA clubs annually pay $10.3m of football-related revenue (tickets, food, drink etc) to the WAFC. Do people know if it's an even split between the clubs? Or related specific to revenue earned?

I would assume a third team would be expected to contribute, too. I've said before I think WA3 would be aiming for a fifth of Perth, which (I think) means they'd be paying roughly $2m a year of their footy-related Optus revenue.

I believe this is also different from the WAFC royalty the WA clubs pay as well.

The WA Government undertakes to pay it from stadium revenues. Not the clubs. Essentially, the rental fees that Freo and WCE pay - the clubs pay the WAFC a separate royalty.

 

[Canberra Pear]

The WA Government undertakes to pay it from stadium revenues. Not the clubs. Essentially, the rental fees that Freo and WCE pay - the clubs pay the WAFC a separate royalty.

Ahh that makes sense. As in its taken from what the clubs have already paid to play there?

Do you know how the royalty works? Is that a percentage of profit?

 

[Badger17]

Rugby and NRL are virtually competitors.

Nothing virtual about it.

They're literally competitors with a much more storied history of antagonism than either has with the AFL. Yet they get along in Canberra despite that.

So many AFCs are combined football+ netball and don't see the need for double-headers.
But doubleheaders could be accommodated by a multi-purpose sports ground.
You could have have a really big main stadium on one wing and play NRL close to one boundary.

"Multi-purpose stadiums" don't exist. It's just a euphemism for an oval to sell the idea of oval infrastructure to rectangular sports. Pretty much everywhere in the world is moving away from them because they're expensive, and they suck.

The lack of a suitable venue is the least of reasons why an NRL-AFL double-header will almost certainly never happen.

Yes, without putting Canberra down, it still has the features, the co-operative features, of a big town

Nonsense. The fact that Canberra isn't a one-code city and the cooperation that's grown between them because of that, has nothing to do with it's size. It's an unusual cultural development that's a product of the city's history and demographic makeup.

You don't even see that kind (relatively) peaceful coexistence in Queanbeyan, which is literally just on the other side of the railroad tracks.

That'd be a good move. There have been plenty of cross-code inputs over time.

Could be hard to pull off though.

 

[The_Wookie]

Ahh that makes sense. As in its taken from what the clubs have already paid to play there?

Yes it comes out of the stadium revenue, but is guaranteed by the state government for a decade, so if stadium revenue drops, the Gov still needs to pay.

Do you know how the royalty works? Is that a percentage of profit?

For West Coast, as noted its annual report

Base $1.1 million;
then 50% of net profit from $1.1 million to $2 million;
then30% of net profit from $2 million to $5 million;
then 22.5% of net profit above $5 million.

The royalty agreement contains a minimum royalty payable of $1,100,000 with no maximum payable.

freo dont specificy the arrangement

 

[RedV3x]

Nothing virtual about it.

They're literally competitors with a much more storied history of antagonism than either has with the AFL. Yet they get along in Canberra despite that.

Thanks for backing me up on that one.

"Multi-purpose stadiums" don't exist.

So what do you call those stadiums with large moveable sections that bring the stadium close to the side lines ?
An oval can be used for just about every land-based sports, so isn't that "multi-purpose"

Pretty much everywhere in the world is moving away from them

You mean the Multi-purpose stadium that don't exist.

The fact that Canberra isn't a one-code city and the cooperation that's grown between them because of that, has nothing to do with it's size.

I was alluding to the fact that towns work together when it comes to sports

Could be hard to pull off though.

Money.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

So what do you call those stadiums with large moveable sections that bring the stadium close to the side lines ?

Docklands' ones were last actually used some 15 years ago because in practical terms they're actually terrible to be non-existent.

 

[RedV3x]

Docklands' ones were last actually used some 15 years ago because in practical terms they're actually terrible to be non-existent.

Homebush continues to be used as a rectangular stadium.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Yes it comes out of the stadium revenue, but is guaranteed by the state government for a decade, so if stadium revenue drops, the Gov still needs to pay.



For West Coast, as noted its annual report

Base $1.1 million;
then 50% of net profit from $1.1 million to $2 million;
then30% of net profit from $2 million to $5 million;
then 22.5% of net profit above $5 million.

The royalty agreement contains a minimum royalty payable of $1,100,000 with no maximum payable.

freo dont specificy the arrangement

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

So it's likely that for the WAFC to be supportive of a third team, they'd expect a royalty from them, too.

 

[The_Wookie]

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

So it's likely that for the WAFC to be supportive of a third team, they'd expect a royalty from them, too.

If the AFL grant WA3 a license, its unlikely to have WAFC involvement.

 

[RedV3x]

If the AFL grant WA3 a license, its unlikely to have WAFC involvement.

Do you have any links to that statement ?

 

[The_Reaper]

If the AFL grant WA3 a license, its unlikely to have WAFC involvement.

I find it very difficult that a WA3 would be allowed without WAFC involvement

 

[RedV3x]

I find it very difficult that a WA3 would be allowed without WAFC involvement

I find it very difficult that a WA3 would be allowed without significant benefit to West Australian football.

 

[Canberra Pear]

If the AFL grant WA3 a license, its unlikely to have WAFC involvement.

But would they still have to pay the royalty?

Surely the Eagles and Freo would kick up a stink if WA3 took their territory and didn't even have to contribute.

 

[RedV3x]

But would they still have to pay the royalty?

Surely the Eagles and Freo would kick up a stink if WA3 took their territory and didn't even have to contribute.

And then what would the point be of having a WA3 ?

 

[Badja]

And then what would the point be of having a WA3 ?

More games / seats each week in WA. That's the main point isn't it?

 

[Canberra Pear]

In weird timing, this article just came out regarding the WA royalties.



It says the $1.1m is the minimum for both clubs. So you'd think the WAFC would expect the same from a third team.

 

[Rob]

In weird timing, this article just came out regarding the WA royalties.

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It says the $1.1m is the minimum for both clubs. So you'd think the WAFC would expect the same from a third team.

I don't think it's any surprise that the worst performing team in AFL history is not contributing the same in royalties as they used to.

Ive got my own thoughts on why WA is lagging on elite talent, little of which is to do with money.

 

[The_Wookie]

Do you have any links to that statement ?

Thats an opinion. No link required.
But its based on older reports of the AFL trying to get the license off the WAFC but being unable to agree on the cost.

Clubs now are owned by the league until the league deems they can stand on their own two feet. I dont see that changing for any future teams.