List Mgmt. 2025 List Management

[serial_thrilla]

 

[s_wd6]

Sorry for the intrusion, but on the Essendon board, we're doing a mock draft and people have nominated to run the draft for a team.

I've got the honour of running Freo's draft (you're my second favourite team so I ain't mad about it). I'm really struggling to find holes in your list. Maybe a wing, or a distributor off half back if a good one falls? Or a small defender? You're stacked with your spine and midfield so I was leaning towards just going best player available, but interested in hearing from people who know the club way better than me what kind of players you're hoping to target in the draft.

Also any NGA prospects worth bidding on?

Desperate for a good small forward, specifically the pressure type. Switkowski the only one so when he’s injured we’re ****ed.

Plenty of midfielders we’ll need to squeeze in who will take up the wing. Brought in McVee off half back and also have Cooper Simpson who looked really good in his games there before injury. Brandon Walker great lockdown small defender who really should be back in the team on previous years form. Missed most of the season injured.

We seem to have depth everywhere apart from the forward line, so suspect a best available if the couple good smalls around our pick are already taken

 

[stax on the mull]

Sorry for the intrusion, but on the Essendon board, we're doing a mock draft and people have nominated to run the draft for a team.

I've got the honour of running Freo's draft (you're my second favourite team so I ain't mad about it). I'm really struggling to find holes in your list. Maybe a wing, or a distributor off half back if a good one falls? Or a small defender? You're stacked with your spine and midfield so I was leaning towards just going best player available, but interested in hearing from people who know the club way better than me what kind of players you're hoping to target in the draft.

Also any NGA prospects worth bidding on?

If there's a lot riding on this mock draft, I would pick the player that the Essendon board would have wanted if he hadn't been already taken.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Sorry for the intrusion, but on the Essendon board, we're doing a mock draft and people have nominated to run the draft for a team.

I've got the honour of running Freo's draft (you're my second favourite team so I ain't mad about it). I'm really struggling to find holes in your list. Maybe a wing, or a distributor off half back if a good one falls? Or a small defender? You're stacked with your spine and midfield so I was leaning towards just going best player available, but interested in hearing from people who know the club way better than me what kind of players you're hoping to target in the draft.

Also any NGA prospects worth bidding on?

NGA - our best 2 went state combine. Toby Whan could go senior or could get to Cat B - dominant Colts season, underwhelming champs, very good 2km time. Ryda Luke likely Cat B but someone could take a punt - gap btwn his best and worst significant, but impressed in the 20m sprint, standing vert and agility tests.

Walls said it's best available. Re position Walls said "I feel like when you look at the three parts of the ground, we’re looking reasonably healthy, but you always want to add talent. For us - particularly talent in the front half - is where we’d like to keep adding from now on."

I see us going more in the direction of "AFL traits but project" than "high floor low ceiling", but maybe that's just me inserting my own personal biases. Might've been in the other camp if our pick was higher, but any sliders would be long gone by our pick. Some here love Fred Rodriguez who falls in the latter camp. I'd prefer us to take a Harley Barker or Latrelle Pickett eg who have more bust potential but also a higher ceiling.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Sorry for the intrusion, but on the Essendon board, we're doing a mock draft and people have nominated to run the draft for a team.

I've got the honour of running Freo's draft (you're my second favourite team so I ain't mad about it). I'm really struggling to find holes in your list. Maybe a wing, or a distributor off half back if a good one falls? Or a small defender? You're stacked with your spine and midfield so I was leaning towards just going best player available, but interested in hearing from people who know the club way better than me what kind of players you're hoping to target in the draft.

Also any NGA prospects worth bidding on?

Small forward and wing are the two needs.

Priority on small forward who can provide forward pressure and kick goals.

 

[Taylor]

Just pick Rodriguez with our first, match bid on Whan, pick up Luke Category B.

 

[Lach72]

I think Carlton are just trying to avoid having to pay him out in 2025. Good luck with that. Would be hilarious if both Binns and Hollands decided to play for Peel this season instead of AFL and pick up their careers in 2027 season. Do we think Carlton has a spare $600k in their cap for 2025? Doubt it.

They got rid of Curnow…

 

[Docker82]

We were reportedly interested in Milan Murdoch. Perhaps someone else could be lined up to compete for a list spot. I don’t mind Clohessy but who are you proposing from the delisted players as I don’t see a lot interest in any others.

Will Phillips, Ben Hobbs, Jaxon Binns are all very average.

People would've said the same about Patrick Voss at the time.

There's also zero chance I would've picked him that year either.

FWIW I wouldn't be adding average mids to the list.

Murdoch is the type I can see actually getting selected in late or in the rookie draft. He’s one I reckon we could use a rookie draft selection on rather than let him potentially train on with other clubs.

 

[Taylor]

They got rid of Curnow…

Not from the 2025 salary though, which is where every dollar of delisted players contracts for 2026 ends up

 

[Dockeroo]

Apparently the knock on Rodriguez is that he has no standout traits, but he’s fairly good at everything. Not particularly fast either.
That makes sense then as to why he’s dropping in rankings. Low ceiling but high floor type it seems like. Clubs tend to avoid those type of players with early picks.

 

[Taylor]

Apparently the knock on Rodriguez is that he has no standout traits, but he’s fairly good at everything. Not particularly fast either.
That makes sense then as to why he’s dropping in rankings. Low ceiling but high floor type it seems like. Clubs tend to avoid those type of players with early picks.

Then the team that drafts them has some sprint training and they pair Murphy Reid perfectly.

If we got a solid best twenty two player with pick #24 we would be very happy.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Apparently the knock on Rodriguez is that he has no standout traits, but he’s fairly good at everything. Not particularly fast either.
That makes sense then as to why he’s dropping in rankings. Low ceiling but high floor type it seems like. Clubs tend to avoid those type of players with early picks.

I disagree with that assessment. His kicking and speed are elite in my opinion.

 

[SpeckieMcVeigh]

Thanks for all the responses here, didn't realise that small forward was such a big need which is why I'm glad I asked you all for your thoughts!

In reality I don't think he reaches your pick, but as a fanbase, if you were to trade up to grab Lachy Dovaston (who I think is head and shoulders above the other small forwards and who I have as a top 10 guy in the open pool), how would it be received?

 

[freo_leo29]

Thanks for all the responses here, didn't realise that small forward was such a big need which is why I'm glad I asked you all for your thoughts!

In reality I don't think he reaches your pick, but as a fanbase, if you were to trade up to grab Lachy Dovaston (who I think is head and shoulders above the other small forwards and who I have as a top 10 guy in the open pool), how would it be received?

We already traded down the pick that would probably get him (Which I'm sad about)

But that probably shows we aren't trading up, I doubt we put any futures on the board for this draft so probably best to just pick at 20 (If you are trying to do what our list manager likely will)

Our later picks in this draft aren't enough to trade up otherwise I'd say you could try trade up using them

 

[chaosball32]

Thanks for all the responses here, didn't realise that small forward was such a big need which is why I'm glad I asked you all for your thoughts!

In reality I don't think he reaches your pick, but as a fanbase, if you were to trade up to grab Lachy Dovaston (who I think is head and shoulders above the other small forwards and who I have as a top 10 guy in the open pool), how would it be received?

We had a pick in the Dovaston range but did a stupid pick swap that didn’t benefit us at all, so maybe we don’t rate him or have another player in mind.

As others have mentioned we need a small forward so if a Dovaston or a Phillipou type is taken we probably go best available and maybe try pick somebody up in SSP which has worked well for us in recent years.

 

[E Shed]

Some were saying a couple of pages back we need more mid depth but I’m struggling to get them in as it is.
I see rotations like Serong, Erasmus, Young then Serong, Brayshaw, Reid with Bolton to swing through and that’s without including Johnson.
We need to get some back half players up the ground to be able to play all of Draper, Walker, Simpson and Chapman assuming the normal big 3 plus Clark & McVee are walk ups.
Small pressure forward and genuine A grade wing is what we need most.

 

[Ysaye]

I disagree with that assessment. His kicking and speed are elite in my opinion.

His combine 20m sprint time I believe was 3.17 seconds according to eDPS which is very middle of the pack or even arguably slow. He didn't place in the top 10 for the agility run either, which is where you see people who appear "quick". Obviously had the good 2km result which was Top 10 at the combine.

There is an argument that Rodriguez decision making is fast but in close contest in some of the national games he was at times physically getting caught before he could effectively get rid of the ball.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

His combine 20m sprint time I believe was 3.17 seconds according to eDPS which is very middle of the pack or even arguably slow. He didn't place in the top 10 for the agility run either, which is where you see people who appear "quick". Obviously had the good 2km result which was Top 10 at the combine.

There is an argument that Rodriguez decision making is fast but in close contest in some of the national games he was at times physically getting caught before he could effectively get rid of the ball.

20 metre sprint is way overrated as a measurement of speed. Watch his highlights even. His repeat speed is elite.

 

[Taylor]

0-5m would be a preferred metric.

 

[theGav56]

Thanks for all the responses here, didn't realise that small forward was such a big need which is why I'm glad I asked you all for your thoughts!

In reality I don't think he reaches your pick, but as a fanbase, if you were to trade up to grab Lachy Dovaston (who I think is head and shoulders above the other small forwards and who I have as a top 10 guy in the open pool), how would it be received?

Small forward 'need' is overstated. I certainly wouldn't waste a pick just to get one in. Even as it is we likely have Dudley playing WAFL if all players are fit

A wing who can impact forward would be handy.

 

[theGav56]

Thanks for all the responses here, didn't realise that small forward was such a big need which is why I'm glad I asked you all for your thoughts!

In reality I don't think he reaches your pick, but as a fanbase, if you were to trade up to grab Lachy Dovaston (who I think is head and shoulders above the other small forwards and who I have as a top 10 guy in the open pool), how would it be received?

Small forward 'need' is overstated. I certainly wouldn't waste a pick just to get one in. Even as it is we likely have Dudley playing WAFL if all players are fit

A wing who can impact forward would be handy

Some were saying a couple of pages back we need more mid depth but I’m struggling to get them in as it is.
I see rotations like Serong, Erasmus, Young then Serong, Brayshaw, Reid with Bolton to swing through and that’s without including Johnson.
We need to get some back half players up the ground to be able to play all of Draper, Walker, Simpson and Chapman assuming the normal big 3 plus Clark & McVee are walk ups.
Small pressure forward and genuine A grade wing is what we need most.

Play Simpson as a small pressure forward now that he has done a little apprenticeship in defence.

 

[gaskin]

Our small forwards offer no pressure when Switta isn't there. Switta can't stay fit. To say we don't need a small forward is just plain wrong.

 

[theGav56]

Our small forwards offer no pressure when Switta isn't there. Switta can't stay fit. To say we don't need a small forward is just plain wrong.

Play Simpson forward. Get Dudley fit. Neither are currently in our best 23.

 

[E Shed]

Play Simpson as a small pressure forward now that he has done a little apprenticeship in defence.

It's an idea with exciting potential. Just whether he can read the game well enough to get involved enough. Thats my one genuine doubt about him long term. It's why Frederick is so apparently useless at times despite having all the assets. He's not good enough about knowing when and where to run to create sustained pressure.

Simpson looked so much better being led to the ball and receiving in transition to use his kicking skills to best effect which is of course a good argument for leaving him in the back half or no further up than wing so he's kicking during transition.
From a small sample size he didn't appear to have the game sense for the difficult job of half forward.

Reid has shown us all just how effective it is possible to be at creating score when you have elite game sense. He and Switta are a dream combo in the forward half which of course creates a new problem of how the hell do you move him to the middle (which is where he must play eventually) without breaking the most cohesive forward structure we're had almost forever.

Its always some version of robbing Peter etc.

I think we have to trial some combo of Chapman, Simpson, Walker on the wings in pre-season so we are getting our best assets into play. Can't have those guys in the rezzies if we're going to persist with the Worner, Banfield types in the back half.

 

[theGav56]

Worth pointing out that we currently have 1 specialist winger: Sharp. We played midfielders there and they were average. Longmuir seems to prefer Johnson and O'Meara. Happy days!

Our structural problems are more about transition than not having small forwards apart from Bolton, Reid, Frederick and Switkowski (with Dudley and Simpson as options).

Apart from those six, we have none

 

[theGav56]

It's an idea with exciting potential. Just whether he can read the game well enough to get involved enough. Thats my one genuine doubt about him long term. It's why Frederick is so apparently useless at times despite having all the assets. He's not good enough about knowing when and where to run to create sustained pressure.

Simpson looked so much better being led to the ball and receiving in transition to use his kicking skills to best effect which is of course a good argument for leaving him in the back half or no further up than wing so he's kicking during transition.
From a small sample size he didn't appear to have the game sense for the difficult job of half forward.

Reid has shown us all just how effective it is possible to be at creating score when you have elite game sense. He and Switta are a dream combo in the forward half which of course creates a new problem of how the hell do you move him to the middle (which is where he must play eventually) without breaking the most cohesive forward structure we're had almost forever.

Its always some version of robbing Peter etc.

I think we have to trial some combo of Chapman, Simpson, Walker on the wings in pre-season so we are getting our best assets into play. Can't have those guys in the rezzies if we're going to persist with the Worner, Banfield types in the back half.

We have plenty of options in defence. I struggle to see him ahead of Wagner, Walker or Chapman.