No Oppo Supporters OPPOSITION OBSERVATION XLIII

[GhostofJimJess]

2026 - Reduce the failures to kick half the opposition score from 9 to under 5. Disregard w/l. Games into talented youth. Start adding mature talent plus another influx of talented draftees.

2027 - Start competing more seriously in most games. Improve w/l to around 7-8 wins at least. Get serious with recruiting mature talent, as we phase out some old timers. By the end of this season a some of our gun youngsters from the 2024 draft intake will be approaching 50 AFL games.

2028 - Announce our brand. Nobody gets a soft kill against the Tigers, nobody. And if you bring a knife to a gunfight, we will smack your package in fine style. A large group of talented players pass the 50 game mark. Get our w/l closer to neutral. Put the locking key pieces into place on the list.

2029 - No more excuses, no more Mr Nice Guy. Final stragglers from our talented youngsters pass 50 games. We are the word upon everyone's lips as we start consistently winning. Finals participation not negotiable. Taj mania sweeps the nation. Time for Gru and Meteoric to get back on the bandy and renew our membershipz.

2030 - We celebrate the 10 year anniversary of our last flag from the previous dynasty with the first flag of the new dynasty. Adem "Aura" Yze is hailed as an understated genius with Gru and Meteoric going off their 3kz's in the stands, scaring the **** out of mum and kid Cats supporters wherever possible. This time it is decided to share the Norms around during the dynasty and Tom Brown takes the gong for an impeccable display across half back.

That's the Yze timeline Gru. Judge him by that and I will catch you on the bandwagon in 2029.

I'll simplify it.

2026 - % ~ 75-85%

2027 - % ~ 85-95%

2028 - % ~ 95-105%

2029 - % ~ 105-115%

2030 - % > 120%

Obviously learning how to win close ones will then determine an elevated ladder position, but percentage is just about always the best indicator of where a developing team sits.

 

[lumpinee]

yze should be given marching orders if we are bottom 4 again in 2026

the minimum for me is heavily pushing for finals and then making finals in 27 as the comp is weak as shite

its become superleague,ya dont get any traction till ya 27 nowadays,just look at dangerflop n his partner in fraud Jeramiah
useless eaters @ 22-23

 

[ShereKhan]

rubbish

we belted crows who finished top this year at home last season. we beat the grand finalists . we won 5 games this year

the comp isnt what it was

the excuses are starting to build up

Why ignore the reailty? Bottom-4 in 2025 were Eagles, Tigers, North and Bombers.

Youngest 4 teams in 2025? Eagles, Tigers, North and Bombers.
Least experienced 4 teams in 2025? Eagles, Tigers, North and Bombers.

And based on delistings and trades thus far, our list has gone from 15th average age in 2025 to 17th right now.

If Broad, Lynch and Prestia hang up the boots end of 2026 we will be bottom-4 for age and experience again in 2027.

Having said that, occasionally teams buck the trend and make finals with a young and inexperienced team, so fingers crossed that's us in 2027....but history says it's highly unlikely if we are bottom-4 for age and experience, which we will be.

 

[Forensi Tiger]

When Hardwick arrived in 2010:

Jack R: 4th season
Rance: 3rd season
Cotchin : 3rd season
Edwards: 4th season
Dusty: 1st season
Grimes: 1st season
Astbury: 1st season

When Yze arrived :
Our 8 x draftees : Minus 12-months
2 more top-4 picks: minus 24-months

*and lost a heap of our best players.

Our age and experience will have us bottom-3 for 2026-27… it’s just not reasonable to compare Dimma and Yze given Dimma’s superstars were all there for 1-4 years when he started coaching.

Yes and regrettably we don’t have the calibre of those first four on our list other than our first year players. The ones from 2021 draft are not even close to that level.

 

[Groupie_]

slipping on ugg boots to go up the street in late October,sweeeeeeett

1970s pong

 

[ShereKhan]

Yes and regrettably we don’t have the calibre of those first four on our list other than our first year players. The ones from 2021 draft are not even close to that level.

We don’t know yet … in 2010 none of Grimes, Astbury, Edwards or Rance looked like being much good due to performance / injury.

But I agree the crop prior to 2024 don’t contain a Cotchin, Riewoldt or Martin…. so long as the 2024 draftees do then happy days !

 

[ShereKhan]

2027 will be yzes 4th year (if he gets there)

the club will be expecting finals in that year yet we have people on here "NAH WE WILL BE BOTTOM 4"

Every situation is different. I'd prefer to look at the actual situation and then set my expectations based on that.

Matthew Nicks finished 15th in 2024 in his 5th year with 8 x wins. Finished on top in his 6th season. In 2024 Adelaide were 14th for average age and 15th for average games played. In 2025 they were 7th and 10th. Who woulda thunk it........it's a miracle!!!

If we have a playing list in 2027 that is bottom-4 for age and experience we almost certainly won't be playing finals. Maybe we will secure a trade and free agent end of 2026 and not be bottom-4 in age and experience, I don't know?

What the club will probably do is look back in history, see that teams bottom-4 in age and experience almost never ever make finals, and as a result won't expect or demand it. Us nuffies on BF might....but we just say 'It's his 4th year so where is the flag'......?? And give little consideration to what is realistic.

 

[sante]

We don’t know yet … in 2010 none of Grimes, Astbury, Edwards or Rance looked like being much good due to performance / injury.

But I agree the crop prior to 2024 don’t contain a Cotchin, Riewoldt or Martin…. so long as the 2024 draftees do then happy days !

And how long did Cotch, Jack, Dusty etc have to play together to become a decent finals team? 6+ years of AFL footy, core of our next premiership team are entering season 2. We are years away

 

[Groupie_]

And how long did Cotch, Jack, Dusty etc have to play together to become a decent finals team? 6+ years of AFL footy, core of our next premiership team are entering season 2. We are years away

only cos of umps/cfl targeting us

hawks turned around in 3 years

imagine if your boys eased up on the lubeless fingering

 

[Meteoric Rise]

only cos of umps/cfl targeting us

hawks turned around in 3 years

imagine if your boys eased up on the lubeless fingering

Hawks won flag in 2015, then finished:

2016 lost both finals
2017 12th
2018 lost both finals
2019 9th
2020 15th
2021 14th
2022 13th
2023 16th

They were shyte for 8 years Gru.

Now trying to recruit 30yo's all over the place to make up for their failed rebuild. And wizard is a stinking little shit.

 

[Hoos]

hawks turned around in 3 years

Longer than that. They were a weak top 4 side in 2018 and then fell right away and didn't come good until 2024.

Plus, their current squad is no guarantee to win anything.

 

[Groupie_]

Longer than that. They were a weak top 4 side in 2018 and then fell right away and didn't come good until 2024.

Plus, their current squad is no guarantee to win anything.

our 2022 was our their 2018

finals 2027 or bye bye yze

 

[Daka]

What?

 

[Groupie_]

What?
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give it to taranto for next 5 years

we need to make nank droppable

 

[Daka]

give it to taranto for next 5 years

we need to make nank droppable

Just from Kane Cornes though... given he has given Taranto so much shit over the years.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

our 2022 was our their 2018

finals 2027 or bye bye yze

When did Richmond begin its rebuilding phase? It definitely wasn’t in 2022.

Hardwick was preparing for the 2023 finals series (topping up with trades in 2022), but when McQualter was appointed as caretaker, he had the chance to give the younger players some experience but chose not to.

 

[Groupie_]

When did Richmond begin its rebuilding phase? It definitely wasn’t in 2022.

Hardwick was preparing for the 2023 finals series (topping up with trades in 2022), but when McQualter was appointed as caretaker, he had the chance to give the younger players some experience but chose not to.

hawks started theirs in 2021 and played finals 2024

the players we got shite on theirs too

but we dont have a mitchell coaching

 

[Groupie_]

And how long did Cotch, Jack, Dusty etc have to play together to become a decent finals team? 6+ years of AFL footy, core of our next premiership team are entering season 2. We are years away

they also had a 36 year hoodoo to get over

 

[THE THIN MAN]

hawks started theirs in 2021 and played finals 2024

the players we got shite on theirs too

but we dont have a mitchell coaching

Take a look back at how the national draft unfolded for Hawthorn every year since 2013.

2013​

• Billy Hartung (Pick 24) – 63 games across four seasons*
• Dayle Garlett (Pick 38) – did not debut*
• James Sicily (Pick 56) – 134 games across 10 seasons

2014​

• Daniel Howe (Pick 31) – 96 games across eight seasons*
• Teia Miles (Pick 49) – 12 games across five seasons*
• Marc Pittonet (Pick 50) – 7 games across five seasons*

2015​

• Ryan Burton (Pick 19) – 47 games across three seasons*
• Kieran Lovell (Pick 22) – 2 games across three seasons*
• Blake Hardwick (Pick 44) – 147 games across eight seasons

2016​

• Harry Morrison (Pick 74) – 91 games across seven seasons
• Mitch Lewis (Pick 76) – 66 games across seven seasons

2017​

• James Worpel (Pick 45) – 102 games across six seasons
• Dylan Moore (Pick 67) – 75 games across six seasons
• Jackson Ross (Pick 71) – did not debut*

2018​

• Jacob Koschitzke (Pick 52) – 48 games in five seasons*
• Matthew Walker (Pick 63) – did not debut*

2019​

• Will Day (Pick 13) – 54 games in four seasons
• Finn Maginness (Pick 29) – 32 games in four seasons
• Josh Morris (Pick 57) – 15 games in four seasons*

2020​

• Denver Grainger-Barras (Pick 6) – 28 games in three seasons
• Seamus Mitchell (Pick 29) – 14 games in three seasons
• Connor Downie (Pick 35) – 2 games in two seasons*
• Tyler Brockman (Pick 46) – 26 games in three seasons*

2021​

• Josh Ward (Pick 7) – 30 games in two seasons
• Sam Butler (Pick 23) – 17 games in two seasons
• Connor Macdonald (Pick 26) – 41 games in two seasons
• Jai Serong (Pick 53) – 2 games in two seasons

2022​

• Cam Mackenzie (Pick 7) – 14 games in one season
• Josh Weddle (Pick 18) – 17 games in one season
• Henry Hustwaite (Pick 37) – 2 games in one season
• Jack O’Sullivan (Pick 46) – yet to debut
• Bailey Macdonald (Pick 51) – 2 games in one season

*this player is no longer at the club

Hawthorn’s draft history: The past decade

We take a look back at how the national draft unfolded for Hawthorn - including some of its biggest success stories - every year since 2013.

www.hawthornfc.com.au

 

[Groupie_]

Take a look back at how the national draft unfolded for Hawthorn every year since 2013.

2013​

• Billy Hartung (Pick 24) – 63 games across four seasons*
• Dayle Garlett (Pick 38) – did not debut*
• James Sicily (Pick 56) – 134 games across 10 seasons

2014​

• Daniel Howe (Pick 31) – 96 games across eight seasons*
• Teia Miles (Pick 49) – 12 games across five seasons*
• Marc Pittonet (Pick 50) – 7 games across five seasons*

2015​

• Ryan Burton (Pick 19) – 47 games across three seasons*
• Kieran Lovell (Pick 22) – 2 games across three seasons*
• Blake Hardwick (Pick 44) – 147 games across eight seasons

2016​

• Harry Morrison (Pick 74) – 91 games across seven seasons
• Mitch Lewis (Pick 76) – 66 games across seven seasons

2017​

• James Worpel (Pick 45) – 102 games across six seasons
• Dylan Moore (Pick 67) – 75 games across six seasons
• Jackson Ross (Pick 71) – did not debut*

2018​

• Jacob Koschitzke (Pick 52) – 48 games in five seasons*
• Matthew Walker (Pick 63) – did not debut*

2019​

• Will Day (Pick 13) – 54 games in four seasons
• Finn Maginness (Pick 29) – 32 games in four seasons
• Josh Morris (Pick 57) – 15 games in four seasons*

2020​

• Denver Grainger-Barras (Pick 6) – 28 games in three seasons
• Seamus Mitchell (Pick 29) – 14 games in three seasons
• Connor Downie (Pick 35) – 2 games in two seasons*
• Tyler Brockman (Pick 46) – 26 games in three seasons*

2021​

• Josh Ward (Pick 7) – 30 games in two seasons
• Sam Butler (Pick 23) – 17 games in two seasons
• Connor Macdonald (Pick 26) – 41 games in two seasons
• Jai Serong (Pick 53) – 2 games in two seasons

2022​

• Cam Mackenzie (Pick 7) – 14 games in one season
• Josh Weddle (Pick 18) – 17 games in one season
• Henry Hustwaite (Pick 37) – 2 games in one season
• Jack O’Sullivan (Pick 46) – yet to debut
• Bailey Macdonald (Pick 51) – 2 games in one season

*this player is no longer at the club

Hawthorn’s draft history: The past decade

We take a look back at how the national draft unfolded for Hawthorn - including some of its biggest success stories - every year since 2013.

www.hawthornfc.com.au

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[THE THIN MAN]

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To relieve your pain:

 

[SunshineBoy]

2027 will be yzes 4th year (if he gets there)

the club will be expecting finals in that year yet we have people on here "NAH WE WILL BE BOTTOM 4"

Dumma made finals in 2013 after inheriting the worst team since Fitzroy , ouzo won’t be anywhere near finals in his fourth year

 

[SunshineBoy]

give it to taranto for next 5 years

we need to make nank droppable

Im on the Jack Graham train on this one

 

[Groupie_]

Dumma made finals in 2013 after inheriting the worst team since Fitzroy , ouzo won’t be anywhere near finals in his fourth year

well if he cant make finals in 2027 he can piss off

I expect some big signings before the 2027 season as well

 

[4tune8]

Haha, all you blokes responding to #Groupie_

You do all realise that he's trolling the lot of you and has been for years.