Podcast BigFooty Tigercast - Training report, 3rd December

[Michaels]

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Topics covered:

Rhy Gieschen X Tigercast Draft recap

-Ranking criteria
-Data vs Eye test
-Sliders and Bolters including a bit on Robey
-How/when we measure draft success
-The key attributes for this years draft selections
-A bit on each of the players we selected
-the train on players
-Louis Kellaway-2026 & 2027 draft.

Rhy was absolutely fantastic with his time and his answers.

 

[LTT]

agree!

On the speed front, next year Armstrong, Daffy, and Leys all have plenty of speed!

the other thing I'd say too, is it was only last year where a lot of people were saying Harvey Langford was way too slow to make it at AFL level, but he has been more than fine.

I don't know who West Coast will pick but one of Robey and CDT will be available at pick 3. While either would be nice, we already locked in on Smiley and Simms. However, Essendon and Melbourne would kill to get one or both of those two. This could create a bargain for us.
What if we offered picks 3 & 4 to Essendon for pick 5, 6 & F1 and tell them that if they don't want the deal then we will offer the same deal to Melbourne. Essendon would know that neither of those two players would get past Melbourne and do the deal in a heartbeat. We would still get the players we need and a F1. However, if Duursma was still available, I think I would take him and Grjl

 

[Dr Tigris]

agree!

On the speed front, next year Armstrong, Daffy, and Leys all have plenty of speed!

the other thing I'd say too, is it was only last year where a lot of people were saying Harvey Langford was way too slow to make it at AFL level, but he has been more than fine.

If we can get 3 speedsters next year, all talented then that changes the equation. We can basically pick whoever we want for long term list structure this year and know that we will have speed available next. .. So long as they are talented enough. Good to know

 

[THE_GUN]

Harry Scott should 100% be taken as a Rookie if still available

 

[Michaels]

Harry Scott should 100% be taken as a Rookie if still available

Wonder how many clubs have spoken to him

 

[THE_GUN]

Wonder how many clubs have spoken to him

Thats the challenge for Tigercast

 

[Michaels]

ROBEY VS CDT | Pick 3 | Who would you take?

Draft night will be fascinating with a few options available to us.

If you’re picking between Robey and CDT right now, who you taking ?

Video below

 

[Infamy]

ROBEY VS CDT | Pick 3 | Who would you take?

Draft night will be fascinating with a few options available to us.

If you’re picking between Robey and CDT right now, who you taking ?

Video below

Pretty easy in my eyes
Both if we have the option
Whoever is left if we don't

 

[Dr Tigris]

You overthink about the short term 'where do they play' thing.

In any normal case a draftees plays mostly or totally VFL up front. So draft CDT and he plays a lot of VFL, good.

CDT's athleticism is a potential weapon that is very difficult to match. With Sims he could be an amazing combo.

Robey has an extraordinary upside. We'd have to have done a huge amount of work on him to know that he is worth the pick. He'd be a great 1 - 2 with Lalor.

If we get both then great.

Sharp for WC makes so much sense. But we'll see.

 

[Michaels]

Pretty easy in my eyes
Both if we have the option
Whoever is left if we don't

If you had to pick just one though who are you picking?

 

[Michaels]

You overthink about the short term 'where do they play' thing.

In any normal case a draftees plays mostly or totally VFL up front. So draft CDT and he plays a lot of VFL, good.

CDT's athleticism is a potential weapon that is very difficult to match. With Sims he could be an amazing combo.

Robey has an extraordinary upside. We'd have to have done a huge amount of work on him to know that he is worth the pick. He'd be a great 1 - 2 with Lalor.

If we get both then great.

Sharp for WC makes so much sense. But we'll see.

Who do you take if you can only have 1?

 

[Karp3_dm]

Robey

 

[wormy]

I think west coast makes that decision for us, then we take who's left

 

[Dr Tigris]

Who do you take if you can only have 1?

All depends on the in depth analysis of the risk reward profiles.

For CDT it's pretty simple - he has the tools to be a good AFL quality super sized mid, good to very good AFL KPF, and good (and if he gets taller a very good) AFL ruck. So you know that if he is developed well you can get a guy who can 1) compete in the ruck, and then 2) run away from the other rucks as a marking option, contested mid and outside threat, + 3) he can be a quick leading tall KPF. So even if he is B grade for all those things he is a genuine A grader who is a major point of difference. --> If we believe that he can become all these things then he has obvious major impact on our ability to compete. So he is worth a top 3/4 pick.

Robey is much more difficult. He looks like he can be a very good to elite mid, and very good forward. But, is it real? He is still growing. He still 'thinks' of himself as smaller (from your interview), and is learning to play big. His shown skills are good, but that's it. But he reckons his kicking wasn't good for what he can do and his team mates reckon his kicking in elite. What is real? Where can he end up? We'd be putting a lot of work into really knowing how good his kicking is, what his fitness can be, what his footy brain is/can be, etc. And he seems to have a really good attitude and has responded well to adversity. But what would a good psychologist say? --> if we are solid that he has a good attitude and the skills then he is worth a top 3/4 pick.

So to me, you go CDT because their is much lower risk.

But, if Robey is as good as it looks like he might be, then he is possibly Dusty like. So you go him.

Sounds like I am on the fence. But what I am saying is that our assessment of Robey drives who we take. Looking at lots of tape, talking to people and trying to understand what you are looking at. And I just don't know. Robey looks really good and his story is compelling. But is he actually that good?

 

[Infamy]

If you had to pick just one though who are you picking?

Hard to say, so kinda don't mind that the decision will be taken out of our hands. I see it as a head vs heart decision personally and it will be interesting to see how our recruitment team evaluate both as well.

Head says CDT over Robey. We need a ruckman, they take longer to develop so better to get one in sooner, the new rules seem like they should suit his attributes, seems to have pretty nice disposal for someone of his size and his athletic profile suggests a very rare type of player. He has also been considered a Top 3 pick pretty much all year, so is probably the logical pick.

Heart says Robey. I think getting a player who has shown they step up in finals is a no-brainer. Even if he doesn't end up playing midfield, we probably need a good medium size forward to add into our forward mix anyway, but the upside of having a player that has the tank to pick up 40 disposals in a game gives some great flexibility and rotation options moving forward.

I do want us to swing for the fences with our picks as with Picks 3 & 4 we need to be recruiting difference makers at these selections. I certainly hope they are the two we manage to get.

So, I'd take CDT given I think it's the smarter decision, but not with a huge amount of conviction.
I'll be pretty disappointed if we take a more vanilla player over them if given the chance to get both.

 

[THE_GUN]

If you had to pick just one though who are you picking?

Robey

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

ROBEY VS CDT | Pick 3 | Who would you take?

Draft night will be fascinating with a few options available to us.

If you’re picking between Robey and CDT right now, who you taking ?

Video below

Robey Vs Duff?
Dees Vs Ess

 

[Mr Magic]

All depends on the in depth analysis of the risk reward profiles.

For CDT it's pretty simple - he has the tools to be a good AFL quality super sized mid, good to very good AFL KPF, and good (and if he gets taller a very good) AFL ruck. So you know that if he is developed well you can get a guy who can 1) compete in the ruck, and then 2) run away from the other rucks as a marking option, contested mid and outside threat, + 3) he can be a quick leading tall KPF. So even if he is B grade for all those things he is a genuine A grader who is a major point of difference. --> If we believe that he can become all these things then he has obvious major impact on our ability to compete. So he is worth a top 3/4 pick.

Robey is much more difficult. He looks like he can be a very good to elite mid, and very good forward. But, is it real? He is still growing. He still 'thinks' of himself as smaller (from your interview), an dis learning to play big. His shown skills are good, but that's it. But he reckons his kicking wasn't good for what he can do and his team mates reckon his kicking in elite. What is real? Where can he end up? We'd be putting a lot of work into really knowing how good his kicking is, what his fitness can be, what his footy brain is/can be, etc. And he seems to have a really good attitude and has responded well to adversity. But what would a good psychologist say? --> if we are solid that he has a good attitude and the skills then he is worth a top 3/4 pick.

So to me, you go CDT because their is much lower risk.

But, if Robey is as good as it looks like he might be, then he is possibly Dusty like. So you go him.

Sounds like I am on the fence. But what I am saying is that our assessment of Robey drives who we take. Looking at lots of tape, talking to people and trying to understand what you are looking at. And I just don't know. Robey looks really good and his story is compelling. But is he actually that good?

I think your wrong, but I still am picking CDT

 

[The Mighty]

Wonder how many clubs have spoken to him

Probably Essington they like pinching our VFL players the campaigners.

 

[beema limapep]

If you had to pick just one though who are you picking?

Robey.

Too many questions marks on CDT overhead, tapwork and not exactly a tall ruck which is where the game is heading.

 

[LTT]

Robey.

Too many questions marks on CDT overhead, tapwork and not exactly a tall ruck which is where the game is heading.

WC will take the choice away from us. Firstly, if they are smart like Richmond was last year, they will want to take both talls and mid/forwards. Second, they picked up a young forward last year and lost Allen this year. They need another kid who can play forward now. I don't think that there is a better forward than CDT early in the draft. I think that Robey is a better fit with Reid than Duursma. That means they take CDT and Robey. We will hopefully get Duursma and probably Grjl or we will trade back for an extra pick.

 

[RichmondEshays]

tough one. Cdt is a unicorn ruck, come once every 5 years. Robey also has a grade potential. I think if available take both. Shame there is no one pacey but we need to pick the best possible player

 

[guruisatiger]

Prefer Marcus Krasnadamskis
Over CDT and it won't cost us a top 5 pick

 

[Dr Tigris]

I think your wrong, but I still am picking CDT

Wrong about what?

 

[Dr Tigris]

Michaels - who you taking?

And why?

 

[Michaels]

Michaels - who you taking?

And why?

I’m taking:

3: Sullivan Robey
4: Dyson Sharp / Sam Cumming
38: Jai Murray

I just feel we need to fill out the midfield depth first which doubles as half forward resting spots.

Hotton, Lalor, Smillie, Robey, cumming/Sharp rotating from mid to half forward is extremely dangerous I think.

Jai Murray as a silky winger at 38