List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - The Final Countdown

[tiger_tough]

take punt with mid could become a star

mark coughlan was a rookie

defender early in a poor draft is RIDICULOUS!!

No he wasnt

 

[tiger_tough]

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[The Vaucluse]

Hey Richmond fans sorry to intrude but surely this is waffle, like there’s no way Richmond is passing up on Robey ? ITK gimmick in 2025, like he’s only reported that Shai Bolton is going to Fremantle and every man and their dog knew that was happening anyway.
Why would Richmond draft Sharp, when you got Smilie? How is Robey not fitting in with Lalor and Smilie but Sharp does, plus Cumming as well? He’s a similar profile to Lalor. Why would also Richmond only want a future second rounder from Essendon when they’d like demand a future first from us and twomey any way said it’s unlikely Melbourne Essendon Richmond snd west coast trade their early selections.

Sharp is an inside mid, while Smillie is a first receiver. Sharp plays a different role to Robey. I see Robey as a High half forward that can move into the midfield and be a first receiver. They must rate Cumming’s more highly than Robey. On the limited footage I’ve seen, I tend to agree. Based on the Combine results, Cumming seems to have the better athletic profile. We also have a very good recruiter who is responsible for both WA and SA.

 

[Groupie_]

No he wasnt

was pissed

cut me some slack

 

[tigs2010]

Are they really gonna risk missing out on the player they want because of something they read on Bigfooty?

Though, maybe don't make a video about this Michaels

He's already made it, just finalising the editing

 

[tigs2010]

do you mean you don't enjoy pages and pages of people likewhoring their unfunny gifs instead of actual discussion??

NTTAWWT

 

[tigerdan]

mark coughlan was a rookie

defender early in a poor draft is RIDICULOUS!!

Coughlan was pick 25 in national draft?

Edit: beaten to the punch by about 1 minute. Nevermind.

 

[richard parker]

my knock on Sharp, is footskills, athleticism and hurt factor. I think he’ll be a good AFL player, but I’m not in the camp of taking the safe/ conservative pick in this draft.
Cumming is a good player, more athleticism and hurt factor than Sharp, but there’s a couple I’d prefer at 3/4.
I get your point re gambling with high upside, but you need to be looking at putting a list together that’s going to be delivering you silverware in 3-4 years. You gotta go X-factor and flare, you can get safe/reliable options like Sharp in most drafts.

I think he will hurt opponents with relentless intent and great decision making, precise handballs that free up runners, better concentration, professionalism, good energy and attitude, quick reaction time and beating oppo to the ball, great for club culture. Not a moments player but a wearing them down player. He looks so natural. He won't be a dusty type but an elite meat and potatoes type. Every team needs them and he will be elite in that player type.

 

[Groupie_]

Coughlan was pick 25 in national draft?

well he is now inni

 

[Coach_Required]

Got to laugh, for weeks we have been spewing we had no "leaks" and when someone finally posts something a few want to shit can him because it doesn't contain everyone's favourite Sully Robey as the main target LOL

 

[Yo Yo Ma!!!]

I really pray West coast take Dursma & CDT but with West Coast bidding a couple of times on academy/father-sons with their 2nd pick (to wipe out some clubs). Then we do the same over our two picks, which under this scenario could mean If our picks end up 7 & 8 then I am extremely fine with Robey with our first of the two and 2nd pick means Id be totally happy with picking X Taylor (pick 8 is early thereabouts for him in an open pool).

Xavier Taylor i see him cutting his chops in seniors next year on the wing as an interceptor/line-breaker (not his ideal spot but can get exposure), then in a couple years become defensive midfield/back flanker, when Broad and Vlaustin are done-ski

 

[tigs2010]

Got to laugh, for weeks we have been spewing we had no "leaks" and when someone finally posts something a few want to shit can him because it doesn't contain everyone's favourite Sully Robey as the main target LOL

That's purely all on him in fairness.

 

[hammer180]

Hey Richmond fans sorry to intrude but surely this is waffle, like there’s no way Richmond is passing up on Robey ? ITK gimmick in 2025, like he’s only reported that Shai Bolton is going to Fremantle and every man and their dog knew that was happening anyway.
Why would Richmond draft Sharp, when you got Smilie? How is Robey not fitting in with Lalor and Smilie but Sharp does, plus Cumming as well? He’s a similar profile to Lalor. Why would also Richmond only want a future second rounder from Essendon when they’d like demand a future first from us and twomey any way said it’s unlikely Melbourne Essendon Richmond snd west coast trade their early selections.

Assuming this is true, the argument for not taking CDT/Robey and wanting a trade back to 5 would probably be a combination of a couple of things. Again I'm not necessarily agreeing with all this however this is what I think the arguments would be.
Robey's sample size may be too small, if we are lead to believe that clubs watch these kids for anywhere between 2-4yrs, Robeys sample size may just be considered to small and risky (also hasn't been exposed to senior footy only local senior footy) compared to a cumming who is probably not to dissimilar in style to Robey and whilst not completely dominated games like Robey has moved up to the seniors and looked very impressive, just my opinion but if cumming doesn't get injured he is probably clear top 4.
CDT is probably a combination of to many talls? And what position will he actually play and how does he fit in with sims?
If Richmond are taking Sharp its probably because they believe he is the clear best midfielder in the draft, has the junior accolades and good character that has shown improvement throughout the yr over his weaknesses areas of his game.
If you look at it from the perspective of midfielf in 3-5 yrs time Lalor will play close to a 50-50 split fwd/mid (rayner role) probably leaves Sharp and Smillie who whilst similar aren't entirely the same who will be the 2 big mids who can work with the like of hotton and cumming (goal scoring and fast mids).
Also synergy between cumming Sharp and kellaway would help with a go home factor and they have been successful together this yr.

 

[wormy]

This is great mail and all...
But it directly contrasts with what Twomey (the only journo who seemingly knows anything) said yesterday.

If I remember correctly, he said Sharp's range begins at Essendon

 

[tigerdan]

my knock on Sharp, is footskills, athleticism and hurt factor. I think he’ll be a good AFL player, but I’m not in the camp of taking the safe/ conservative pick in this draft.
Cumming is a good player, more athleticism and hurt factor than Sharp, but there’s a couple I’d prefer at 3/4.
I get your point re gambling with high upside, but you need to be looking at putting a list together that’s going to be delivering you silverware in 3-4 years. You gotta go X-factor and flare, you can get safe/reliable options like Sharp in most drafts.

My only knock on Sharp is he looks like a man playing against kids, he's bloody huge. Sometimes the 'man child' types don't translate to AFL. I trust the recruiters to make the right call though.

Won't be disappointed with Sharp / Cumming (it's probably my second preference) but if Robey is still on the board it would make me think twice.

 

[wormy]

Assuming this is true, the argument for not taking CDT/Robey and wanting a trade back to 5 would probably be a combination of a couple of things. Again I'm not necessarily agreeing with all this however this is what I think the arguments would be.
Robey's sample size may be too small, if we are lead to believe that clubs watch these kids for anywhere between 2-4yrs, Robeys sample size may just be considered to small and risky (also hasn't been exposed to senior footy only local senior footy) compared to a cumming who is probably not to dissimilar in style to Robey and whilst not completely dominated games like Robey has moved up to the seniors and looked very impressive, just my opinion but if cumming doesn't get injured he is probably clear top 4.
CDT is probably a combination of to many talls? And what position will he actually play and how does he fit in with sims?
If Richmond are taking Sharp its probably because they believe he is the clear best midfielder in the draft, has the junior accolades and good character that has shown improvement throughout the yr over his weaknesses areas of his game.
If you look at it from the perspective of midfielf in 3-5 yrs time Lalor will play close to a 50-50 split fwd/mid (rayner role) probably leaves Sharp and Smillie who whilst similar aren't entirely the same who will be the 2 big mids who can work with the like of hotton and cumming (goal scoring and fast mids).

The 'lack of sample size' debate around Robey is a bad argument.

We took Hotton last year, as did we take Lalor and Faull who missed long periods of time.

Clearly our recruiters place a high rating on potential upside of draftees.

 

[Coach_Required]

Now that State of origin is back, we are going to be stressing about our players getting injured before the season starts.

Lalor, Smillie, Hotton, Trainor, Armstrong v McAuliffe, Sharp, Cumming & Kellaway.

 

[hammer180]

The 'lack of sample size' debate around Robey is a bad argument.

We took Hotton last year, as did we take Lalor and Faull who missed long periods of time.

Clearly our recruiters place a high rating on potential upside of draftees.

Disagree with that, sample size isn't just from this season, we would have been looking at bottom age yr as well and then even their under 16s etc. The reality with Robey is he does have a very small sample size (25%) of his under 18s at the size he is now.

 

[Coach_Required]

The 'lack of sample size' debate around Robey is a bad argument.

We took Hotton last year, as did we take Lalor and Faull who missed long periods of time.

Clearly our recruiters place a high rating on potential upside of draftees.

ummm we would have been tracking Hotton, Lalor & Faull for more than just 1 season, that's his point. Robey has only recently had a growth spurt and started dominating games. The point is valid.

Personally, I don't mind who we take, our haul last year gives us great flexibility into this years draft that seems to only have half a dozen top kids. Robey, Sharp, Cumming, CDT, Taylor, Grlj .... I don't mind taking any 2 of those players.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

I think he will hurt opponents with relentless intent and great decision making, precise handballs that free up runners, better concentration, professionalism, good energy and attitude, quick reaction time and beating oppo to the ball, great for club culture. Not a moments player but a wearing them down player. He looks so natural. He won't be a dusty type but an elite meat and potatoes type. Every team needs them and he will be elite in that player type.

Fair enough. He’ll be a good player, I just think we can do better.
It’ll gut me, if Robey ends up at the Bumbers and becomes the next Bont/Dusty. While we have gone down the safe/ reliable path.
Just on Dusty, Melbourne will forever regret taking Scully, Trengove ahead of the great man

 

[Damo80]

The 'lack of sample size' debate around Robey is a bad argument.

We took Hotton last year, as did we take Lalor and Faull who missed long periods of time.

Clearly our recruiters place a high rating on potential upside of draftees.

I don’t think it’s lack of sample size. It’s probably more that a lot of the sample size was unremarkable. But finished with a bang.

There’s two ways to look at that:

• assume this indicates trajectory (i.e. high ceiling), or;
• see the purple patch as exactly that... something not to be seduced by without considering his risks and flaws

I've said it all along, there was something said by the club that just made my spider senses think that we don't rate him quite as high as the top handful. Rightly or wrongly. FWIW, I'd gamble on his upside if paired with a low-risk, lower reward option like Sharp with our other pick.

 

[Coach_Required]

Fair enough. He’ll be a good player, I just think we can do better.
It’ll gut me, if Robey ends up at the Bumbers and becomes the next Bont/Dusty. While we have gone down the safe/ reliable path.
Just on Dusty, Melbourne will forever regret taking Scully, Trengove ahead of the great man

I'd love Robey as well, i think he is worth the punt even if he ends up as a bust. However, if the club goes down the Sharp path then I'll be happy with that as well.

 

[hammer180]

I'd gamble on his upside if paired with a low-risk, lower reward option like Sharp with our other pick.

Completely agree, I think CDT and Robey is extremely high risk for reward.

 

[Damo80]

Fair enough. He’ll be a good player, I just think we can do better.
It’ll gut me, if Robey ends up at the Bumbers and becomes the next Bont/Dusty. While we have gone down the safe/ reliable path.
Just on Dusty, Melbourne will forever regret taking Scully, Trengove ahead of the great man

Doubt it. I haven't seen the sheer class in disposal and decision making of those two. Nowhere near those two. Maybe Sam Powell-Pepper could be a better comparison (without disrespect to either SPP or Robey).

 

[Ctl]

Not quite sure I see the logic in Robey not fitting with Lalor and Smillie, but Cumming and Sharp do?