List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[txbyhull]

txbyhull how could you disagree with this? He spent the entire season on the sideline

Because of exactly that? If we’re withholding judgement on Bo bc he hardly played it’s only fair to do the same for Jagga

 

[eaglevision]

Adelaide trading out pick 11 to Adelaide or St Kilda for a F1 is good for us

It means they then need to convert 9 into more points which pick 13 and 34 gives them - especially when you consider that if the Dean bid comes after bids on the northern academy kids the trade is effectively pick 12 for picks 16 and 29 which is a net gain of 263 points for Carlton

If they keep pick 11 then they’re better off also retaining pick 9 as they’d get a late teens pick back in that scenario

Effectively Carlton can either have another latish R1 pick this year or roll the dice on either Adelaide or St Kilda for their R1 pick next year

Which club do you envisage paying extras for? A straight pick 11 (will become 15) for a F1 pick seems about right

Agreed. I’ve posted similar to this before. Slide 9 to 13 and use it or 11 to keep points farming like GCS have expertly done for years. Use the other of 11 or 13 to turn into a F1.

For example I think they could create good markets for both picks:

1/ 25,26,F2 from North or 21,27,F3 from Essendon for pick 11

2/ Saints F1 or Crows F1 and F2 for 13 if Phillipou is still on the board


They’d probably get even more than that for those trades.

 

[WCE777]

Cavanagh. Reasonable with the usual vic bias. I don’t think any of those are surprises, all are clubs with needs and make sense.

Cheers.
I am still confused with all this talk about CDT & WC, maybe the double bluff is working and we are pushing for pick 2 to be overs from ESS.
I can't see a draft from WC that doesn't include 1 of Sharp and Cumming being on our list as reasonable and sensible.
It makes no sense after taking Duursma, we dont particularly need Farrow we need a different player most likely as our HB line is full of decent prospects, Grilj probably makes more sense but very unlikely to get through.

 

[txbyhull]

People desperate to put a square peg in a round hole. He is a HF.... so lets play him there

Why are people okay with this logic when it’s applied to HF midfield experiment, but it’s fine when we keep drafting HBF with midfield potential (Farrow)

 

[Keys]

Duursma
Duff-Tytler
Robey
X Taylor
Sharp
Cumming
Grlj
Farrow

Probably the worst case scenario top 8 open pool picks for us

Leaves us a choice between
Lindsay
Schubert
Dovaston
Marsh
O Taylor

Dovaston the clear favourite from that group imo and probably the most likely, along with Schubert, to push into the top 8

With that Carlton pick we’d be guaranteed one of Dovaston, Farrow, Grlj or Sharp - who would all likely be gone if we don’t trade up

Schubert would also be an option but only if we’ve taken Sharp or Cumming over CDT

It’s a really good trade for us if we can get it done - helps that it also makes sense for Carlton

We’ve still got pick 41 (which will come into about 36) in this scenario to either use in matching a Williams bid (unless it comes in the top 25 or so) or taking a live pick

Leaves a final spot open to match a bid on one of Evans or Banfield should someone bid on them late. Ideally, at least one of them gets through without a bid

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Why are people okay with this logic when it’s applied to HF midfield experiment, but it’s fine when we keep drafting HBF with midfield potential (Farrow)

Preaching to the choir here. We shouldnt be ok with either

 

[txbyhull]

Preaching to the choir here. We shouldnt be ok with either

Yeah nah wasn’t implying you’re one of those people, just quoting what you said as a good example of the my thinking

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Surely Demons take Schubert?

They literally have zero young tall forwards on the list and had to reach for Mihocek just to bridge the gap for now. In reserves the got a 25 year old Aidan Johnson and thats basically it

 

[eaglevision]

Cheers.
I am still confused with all this talk about CDT & WC, maybe the double bluff is working and we are pushing for pick 2 to be overs from ESS.
I can't see a draft from WC that doesn't include 1 of Sharp and Cumming being on our list as reasonable and sensible.
It makes no sense after taking Duursma, we dont particularly need Farrow we need a different player most likely as our HB line is full of decent prospects, Grilj probably makes more sense but very unlikely to get through.

If we keep pick 2 we will take best available and as it stands I think WCE see that being CDT.

We should absolutely do the 5,6 for 2,13 trade if Tigers are going to leave Sharp and Cumming there.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Im still confused why people hate CDTs lack of hitout ability while 4 weeks ago saying we dont need to trade in for a new ruck because hitouts dont matter when it comes to rucks

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If we keep pick 2 we will take best available and as it stands I think WCE see that being CDT.

We should absolutely do the 5,6 for 2,13 trade if Tigers are going to leave Sharp and Cumming there.

Its likely Essendon dont want to do that themselves for the same reason we want to turn 13 into pick 9.... A big drop off in available talent outside that top 10.

 

[DorothyG]

People also need to stop arbitrarily grading midfielders with letters of the alphabet as it adds nothing to your argument and only contributes to the circular arguments on this thread.

This is A grade logic at its finest

 

[eaglevision]

Surely Demons take Schubert?

They literally have zero young tall forwards on the list and had to reach for Mihocek just to bridge the gap for now. In reserves the got a 25 year old Aidan Johnson and thats basically it

You would think Schubert is a no brainer for both them and Essendon.

 

[Keys]

Surely Demons take Schubert?

They literally have zero young tall forwards on the list and had to reach for Mihocek just to bridge the gap for now. In reserves the got a 25 year old Aidan Johnson and thats basically it

Jefferson (21) and Van Rooyen (22) are both KPFs on their list

Whether you rate them or not is another matter but they are young talls on their list

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

CDT is like that banging glamour chick everyone wants to shag.

Once bedded you realise shes a starfish. And no one wants that.

Just take Sharpe

CDT is like bangign that glamour chick who everyone says is a starfish. I mean you are hearing the rumors, but what if they are wrong? Did you just turn down one hell of a night?

I think you just go for it. Prove them wrong fellas

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Jefferson (21) and Van Rooyen (22) are both KPFs on their list

Whether you rate them or not is another matter but they are young talls on their list

Jefferson is VFL for sure

In any sense they are not a 198cm tall FF. Both are too small and incapable of chopping out in the ruck which will be needed as more teams play 2 rucks

 

[Keys]

If we keep pick 2 we will take best available and as it stands I think WCE see that being CDT.

We should absolutely do the 5,6 for 2,13 trade if Tigers are going to leave Sharp and Cumming there.

If we can get pick 9 off Carlton for 13,34 then I’d be angling for pick 5 and a F1 and steak knives.

Essendon won’t use their F1 but if they trade up to Gold Coast’s pick 15 then whoever of Adelaide/St Kilda misses out in the bidding for pick 11 from Carlton might then look at making a play for pick 15

Sharp/Cumming and a F1 (albeit a pick in the teens) over CDT would be good business- especially if we can do something else like push 41 up to 30 in the process

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Fact is, for the vast majority of the list we really don't know what we have yet.

That's certainly true of quality but it's not really true of player type.

We have an amassment of athletic taller utilitarian players with a bias towards backwards of centre play and a shortfall in physically robust and competitive agile smaller player with a bias towards forward of centre play.

The season is some time behind us but the width teams gained on us by being quicker around the ball won't be rectified from internal growth alone. We need different sorts of players all together.

Many of the player combinations in the top three do nothing to rectify our lists structural problems and if anything play into it. They are from my point of view banking on a large portion of our list not making the grade and thus are seeking replacement players in kind.

 

[Mattman93]

13,34 for 9 WCE/BLUES

This sounds nice in theory but I'd be disappointed if it's just to land Farrow.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If we can get pick 9 off Carlton for 13,34 then I’d be angling for pick 5 and a F1 and steak knives.

Essendon won’t use their F1 but if they trade up to Gold Coast’s pick 15 then whoever of Adelaide/St Kilda misses out in the bidding for pick 11 from Carlton might then look at making a play for pick 15

Sharp/Cumming and a F1 (albeit a pick in the teens) over CDT would be good business- especially if we can do something else like push 41 up to 30 in the process

Im confused as to what the deal is for Essendon you are proposing?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

People also need to stop arbitrarily grading midfielders with letters of the alphabet as it adds nothing to your argument and only contributes to the circular arguments on this thread.

I give that comment a B+

 

[WCE777]

If we can get pick 9 off Carlton for 13,34 then I’d be angling for pick 5 and a F1 and steak knives.

Essendon won’t use their F1 but if they trade up to Gold Coast’s pick 15 then whoever of Adelaide/St Kilda misses out in the bidding for pick 11 from Carlton might then look at making a play for pick 15

Sharp/Cumming and a F1 (albeit a pick in the teens) over CDT would be good business- especially if we can do something else like push 41 up to 30 in the process

This I see as viable to get Sharp or Cumming and place another pick in the 8-10 range next year would be very good business.
9 probaly puts us around Grilj if he slips.

I think if this plays out we wouldn't be taking Dovaston if we have strong interest in Pickett in the 2nd round and probably around that 30-35 mark with Williams.

Could do some movement with ESS for 1 of their picks 27 or 30 if we think Pickett will be still on the board, we could use something moving around this draft or STK F2nd should be enough if we are super keen.

Come away with Duursma, Sharp/Cumming, Grilj/Farrow, Pickett, Williams in the ND.

Rookies Evans, Banfield and have the option to pick up anoother slider KPD in the rookie draft like Curtin if he gets through or Ainsworth or Stumpf.

 

[Keys]

Im confused as to what the deal is for Essendon you are proposing?

Essendon are considering a trade of 21,27 for 15,36 with Gold Coast

I’m then proposing that 15 gets traded to either Saints or Crows for a F1 pick

Essendon then trade 5,30 and that F1 to us for 2 and 41

Overall they’d have traded 5,21,27,30 for 2,36,41

 

[##VICEAGLE##]

Essendon are considering a trade of 21,27 for 15,36 with Gold Coast

I’m then proposing that 15 gets traded to either Saints or Crows for a F1 pick

Essendon then trade 5,30 and that F1 to us for 2 and 41

Overall they’d have traded 5,21,27,30 for 2,36,41

make it Essendon f1 you gotcha self a deal

 

[squashface]

CDT is like that banging glamour chick everyone wants to shag.

Once bedded you realise shes a starfish. And no one wants that.

Just take Sharpe

Crazy that with the sheer volume of circular discussions regarding Sharp in this thread you still can’t spell his name right