List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part V

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 5

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[gringo2011]

West Coast traded the pick because they don't have enough list spots so the pick would've been removed anyway. Pick swaps is closed now so we won't be able to trade until excess picks have been removed on draft night

Clearly we don't rate Fincher as much as other clubs do. Just have to hope that things go our away on the night but I think nevertheless, whether its Fincher or pick 50(~45), we should be able to get a decent player out of it

Boxshall was a decent pick 45 last year (albeit in a stronger draft)

I still think that they probably want to scare off anyone that is thinking of punishing us by bidding on a player with no intention of taking him. We made a few enemies over the trade period.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I still think that they probably want to scare off anyone that is thinking of punishing us by bidding on a player with no intention of taking him. We made a few enemies over the trade period.

Yep. Sounds like a Geelong / Pies in the media type situation.

 

[ScrappyDo]

West Coast traded the pick because they don't have enough list spots so the pick would've been removed anyway. Pick swaps is closed now so we won't be able to trade until excess picks have been removed on draft night

Clearly we don't rate Fincher as much as other clubs do. Just have to hope that things go our away on the night but I think nevertheless, whether its Fincher or pick 50(~45), we should be able to get a decent player out of it

Boxshall was a decent pick 45 last year (albeit in a stronger draft)

In general NGA'S get overrated before the draft so with Finch topping out about p30 and averaging about p40, l don't think there's much to worry about.

 

[akaifu]

In general NGA'S get overrated before the draft so with Finch topping out about p30 and averaging about p40, l don't think there's much to worry about.

Yep, highlighted by fans panicking about the prospect of missing out on Fincher

He's really not someone to be upset about if he lands elsewhere IMO as much as it'd be nice getting him for free beyond p36

 

[StFly]

Maybe I'm thick, but there's nothing that says the points will come off our 2026 FRDP. Why would our 2026 3rdRDP not be the one effected?

2026 changes aren't 100% yet, at least as of last month.

It's in the rules under AFL policies, but I don't expect anyone to read those, it was my job for a time so I know them and where things are located that I might need in explaining shit.

As an example; use Freo in 2019-20 when they nabbed Liam Henry at pick 9.

Originally their 2020 pick was pick 7.
As they went into points deficit of 245 points for Liam Henry, that became pick 10.
Simply as that pick for the bid was a 1st round, so their following first round got the reduction added.

This also then answers your question as to why our 3rd round might not be impacted, and it's chiefly because;
If the bid comes in ther 2nd round, and we match it; we don't have a second round for the reduction in 2026. The AFL has not defined this exact scenario, so would need to make a determination and amend.

Refer then first line where 2026 rulings are not yet finalised. So you're not thick, the AFL is just slow, but with the links you can make guesstimations based on point things.

 

[ScrappyDo]

2026 changes aren't 100% yet, at least as of last month.

It's in the rules under AFL policies, but I don't expect anyone to read those, it was my job for a time so I know them and where things are located that I might need in explaining shit.

As an example; use Freo in 2019-20 when they nabbed Liam Henry at pick 9.

Originally their 2020 pick was pick 7.
As they went into points deficit of 245 points for Liam Henry, that became pick 10.
Simply as that pick for the bid was a 1st round, so their following first round got the reduction added.

This also then answers your question as to why our 3rd round might not be impacted, and it's chiefly because;
If the bid comes in ther 2nd round, and we match it; we don't have a second round for the reduction in 2026. The AFL has not defined this exact scenario, so would need to make a determination and amend.

Refer then first line where 2026 rulings are not yet finalised. So you're not thick, the AFL is just slow, but with the links you can make guesstimations based on point things.

I feel like this scenario must have happened before. Gut says we shouldn't lose 1st round points for a bid in the 30's and the club will make the case that it comes out of somewhere else.

 

[StFly]

I feel like this scenario must have happened before. Gut says we shouldn't lose 1st round points for a bid in the 30's and the club will make the case that it comes out of somewhere else.

Not from what I saw, the previous instances were more the "these 47 picks for this player" before that was tightened, then people started hoarding and trying to min max things, so you then had situations like Brissie with the Ashcrofts where they essentially used pick 41, then since picks moved around based on how many got used they got pick 41 back in the same draft. So you run into things like Freo with Henry to say "this is acceptable" but it's always been 1-1, from what I could see it's never been a use first round and pay with future third instance.

The DVI values also have changed basically every year just a little bit to change things also as you then ran into the covid instances to muddy everything further.

Knowing the AFL though, I'd go with your gut and say third round gets impacted, the optics of the alternative would mean the AFL pissing off 10's of thousands of people and that'd impact their bottom dollar too much given the noises we're making about the NGA, FS and draft in general with academies and the like at present.

Shit timing for such actions from richardhead orifice if things transpire as they do.

 

[stfan]

Yep, highlighted by fans panicking about the prospect of missing out on Fincher

He's really not someone to be upset about if he lands elsewhere IMO as much as it'd be nice getting him for free beyond p36

Who is panicking?

I just made the point that if another club calls his name out early that we may not take him.

I also made the point that the discount is not much, so we might prefer another player anyway. Though if he goes late then that would help him be more valuable to us.

Fincher is nice to get, not a must get.

Our Club will only match or call his name out if at wherever it is the draftvhe gors, that we see him us the best acquistion for us.

 

[Mavefromdelburn]

F*ck expansion teams, f*ck Bunbury, Saints4Lyf

 

[Dard Ball Get]

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[stfan]

I'd much prefer Jevan to Byrnes..

Well I would too, if it was just one or the other.

But to get Jevan it would probably require our F1.

Crows are sitting roughly where Jevan is predicted to go.

Blues may or may not be willing to trade their Pick 11 for our F1.

 

[The Punter]

Isn't there a yarn around that we won't take Fincher at any price?

 

[BrutThough]

Isn't there a yarn around that we won't take Fincher at any price?

Reported by the Herald Sun. We wont match a bid that impact our F1.

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

AFL future picks listing
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Top navigation then has the draft points per round after the club instances under "draft order" so people can do a little math to say "if this pick goes here because X we gain Y".

Sorry I'm overseas this week so might have missed someone already covering this but there has to be something to us accumulating 2027 picks.

Most logical is other clubs dont rate them based on current Tassie plans, but a little like going for TDK potentially being tied to ruck changes I just kinda feel like the current Saints admin are good at predicting the future and they see something others dont.

The Big Boss (not Ross) made his fortune betting on the future with his brother who is one of the best at this in Australia in the tech scene right now.

I feel like we are either going to see some draft night magic or they have a gut feel about Tassie being delayed.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yep, highlighted by fans panicking about the prospect of missing out on Fincher

He's really not someone to be upset about if he lands elsewhere IMO as much as it'd be nice getting him for free beyond p36

But we've needed a solid hbf for years.

( not ).

 

[Yawkey way]

You completely miss the big picture over winter Tasmania more or less turns into a ghost town the economy slows to a snails pace, having a cbd based stadium within walking distance of Hobarts main entertainment district will be a massive game changer, not to mention that Blundstone would be a absolute handbrake on the club forcing them to play there full time

That’s what they’d have you believe but what did the expert report find, what did it recommend ?.

I’ve been down to hobart many times in mid winter I’m well aware of what winter in Hobart looks like.

Not building a budget breaker at Macquarie point doesn’t rule out looking at other options in the future. I’d be very wary about ignoring an expert report in favour of afl spin and party favours.

Melbourne was once a beautiful city but during the sixties, seventies and eighties we couldn’t knock down irreplaceable buildings fast enough. Only to replace them with bigger and bigger concrete and glass towers. Whelan the wrecker was everywhere and none of what we lost is ever coming back.

How many people travel to hobart because of the old colonial Georgian buildings and the feel of the place. Nothing else in Australia matches up to it imo. Football stadiums meh who cares, I’d rather go back to watching games at moorabbin than marvel any day.

Anyway I don’t live there so it’s an outsiders view, what will be will be.

 

[Nutsngum]

Melbourne was once a beautiful city but during the sixties, seventies and eighties we couldn’t knock down irreplaceable buildings fast enough. Only to replace them with bigger and bigger concrete and glass towers. Whelan the wrecker was everywhere and none of what we lost is ever coming back.

How many people travel hobart because of the old colonial Georgian building and the feel of the place. Nothing else in Australia matches up to it imo. Football stadiums meh who cares, I’d rather go back to watching games at moorabbin than marvel any day.

Anyway I don’t live there so it’s an outsiders view, what will be will be.

We're lucky they only got through about half the buildings before the public pushback stopped them. Still lost a huge amount of stunning buildings.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

We're lucky they only got through about half the buildings before the public pushback stopped them. Still lost a huge amount of stunning buildings.

There's a doco on Netflix about Melbourne & the loss of so many magnificent historical buildings.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We're lucky they only got through about half the buildings before the public pushback stopped them. Still lost a huge amount of stunning buildings.

The Coffee Palace was a stunning looking building, but at the time they had no idea what to do with it.
It was spectacular on the outside , and shitty on the inside.
If it had been preserved it probably would have ended up like a false front, like the Rialto development.

( Irony for this thread is that it was sold to developers by the consortium that owned it, to raise funds, to build Wrest Point casino.)

 

[Remboy]

There's a doco on Netflix about Melbourne & the loss of so many magnificent historical buildings.

Was that the Lost City of Melbourne? I’ve seen it a couple of times.

 

[The Punter]

They knocked down all those buildings and replaced them with wildcard weekend.

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

Who’s this will Phillips kid?

 

[Mavefromdelburn]

There's a doco on Netflix about Melbourne & the loss of so many magnificent historical buildings.

Really enjoyed it.

Never knew about Whelan the Wrecker, and was driving past a big development near me recently after watching the doco and saw the sign. Still going strong it seems.

 

[Nutsngum]

The Coffee Palace was a stunning looking building, but at the time they had no idea what to do with it.
It was spectacular on the outside , and shitty on the inside.
If it had been preserved it probably would have ended up like a false front, like the Rialto development.

( Irony for this thread is that it was sold to developers by the consortium that owned it, to raise funds, to build Wrest Point casino.)

It really was (from photos, im far too young to have ever seen it) and was probably one of the more egregious losses. Its expensive to maintain these buildings for sure but purposeful lack of maintenance/allowing a building to become derelict to force demolition is common as well.

Not sure a facade would have worked for it as it was a stand alone building and less of a complex like the Rialto towers were/are but then we will never know.

 

[StCicatriz]

Spoke to a guy with some connections this week and it sounds like a SW team is more than just a murmur…

it will be the NT

the government have flagged they will fund it completely. running costs. everything.