Fantasy 2025 BETA - Discussion

[Chism]

How is it decided which players are swapped in if you have multiple at that position? The one that scores the highest? Because that may not have been who the owner may have picked.

Also look at every close match up from Week 1 to see if the winner played an opponent that started a non playing player.

Cant rob me of a win cause of another GM lapsing on his team while others may of had the exact same thing happen and it was ignored.

 

[Chism]

I am gunna bench Achane now at RB and start Ray Davis as i reckon he is gunna get more carries.

You gunna change that to Fuey?


Or should i say Roger Goodell?

 

[manureid]

So looking at it, that was a 29 point score adjustment in that game?



Sheesh. Would be good to know how that was worked out. Pretty tough way to lose. Honestly not sure in this instance, Chism, should be punished for his opponent not setting a lineup. And we have no idea who Galactic might have picked in those spots. He may have picked Bateman for 4 points and Highsmith for 8. Big difference when you lose by 5 points.

Anyway, I am new here so have no real say. I would be a bit peeved though.

 

[manureid]

I am gunna bench Achane now at RB and start Ray Davis as i reckon he is gunna get more carries.

You gunna change that to Fuey?


Or should i say Roger Goodell?

I told you to trade me Achane. Now is your chance, while you are on tilt!

 

[Chism]

So looking at it, that was a 29 point score adjustment in that game?

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Sheesh. Would be good to know how that was worked out. Pretty tough way to lose. Honestly not sure in this instance, Chism, should be punished for his opponent not setting a lineup. And we have no idea who Galactic might have picked in those spots. He may have picked Bateman for 4 points and Highsmith for 8. Big difference when you lose by 5 points.

Anyway, I am new here so have no real say. I would be a bit peeved though.

This is my whole gripe cause the replacing bench players can be added after they have scored.

IF roster adjustments need to be made it has to done BEFORE they have played not after the fact.

I appreciate Fuey being honest about it but it is not right. Or at least non playing players are replaced by the lowest scoring at the position on the bench.

As i said i went from 20pts+ ahead before the last game between Eagles and Packers to wake up and see it was neck and neck with the Hurts V Love matchup to decide the result which i was on the wrong end of.

 

[Chism]

So who wants to go through every close game this season to see if anyone else would be robbed a win like i just was? I am about to head out with the kids.

 

[Chism]

So looking at it, that was a 29 point score adjustment in that game?

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Sheesh. Would be good to know how that was worked out. Pretty tough way to lose. Honestly not sure in this instance, Chism, should be punished for his opponent not setting a lineup. And we have no idea who Galactic might have picked in those spots. He may have picked Bateman for 4 points and Highsmith for 8. Big difference when you lose by 5 points.

Anyway, I am new here so have no real say. I would be a bit peeved though.

If you choose 2 Emergencies in Supercoach you always get the lowest score for the position.

Leaving it to a league manager to cherry pick who is the replacement player for another blokes team after they have played and scored is total BS and not right.

There is just no transparency to it for the league manager to decide who he chooses as replacements after the fact they played and what they scored is there for all to see.

 

[manureid]

Lowest scoring players in that position/s is the fairest method.

You are not then possibly rewarding someone who didn't set a line up with a win (this instance).

What is to stop someone putting an 'out' or 2 in a flexible spot when they have a couple of players they are not sure about, and then letting the best one be slotted in at the end of the game week.

I am unsure, shaheed, Monty, maybe Benson in this flex. I will put an Out in it and then just get my best one added.

Anyway. My 2 cents.

 

[Chism]

Lowest scoring players in that position/s is the fairest method.

You are not then possibly rewarding someone who didn't set a line up with a win (this instance).

What is to stop someone putting an 'out' or 2 in a flexible spot when they have a couple of players they are not sure about, and then letting the best one be slotted in at the end of the game week.

I am unsure, shaheed, Monty, maybe Benson in this flex. I will put an Out in it and then just get my best one added.

Anyway. My 2 cents.

I agree and the fairest method gives me the win.

Tanking has been going on for years in this league and i have never done it while others that do walk away scott free.

Now i get screwed by this BS for a Win.

Like i said watch me bench all my best scoring players for spuds that are playing if you lose games like this. I am just a bad GM after all now for this season is what it comes down to, or will my roster be changed without me knowing with the GM replacing players after they played????

Next year i might be a better GM of my own team with a No.1 draft pick in every round!

 

[manureid]

Tanking is a problem in most leagues. But the tanker should be punished, not whoever they tried to tank against.

Obvious tanking, with warnings, should result in losing draft picks or position if you want to be serious about it.

 

[manureid]

Also, I get what fuey is trying to do, and agree with the sentiment behind it, but just need to review the execution

 

[Chism]

Tanking is a problem in most leagues. But the tanker should be punished, not whoever they tried to tank against.

Obvious tanking, with warnings, should result in losing draft picks or position if you want to be serious about it.

We tried this last season and the league went soft.

I voted for loss of draft picks etc and it sticks out like dog balls.

Soon as blokes start 2-6 etc the tank mode comes in and it always does. Never has there been punishment for starting suss lineups.

Now all of a sudden team line ups are being changed incognito by the GM and i can see what is trying to be done but the execution is rubbish and not transparent for all.

 

[Chism]

Make it a cash league for $25 each year and it changes everything. Spread the cash out over multiple position finishes and people will play properly. Winner takes all is not the answer to stop tanking.

Not like we cannot afford bloody $25

 

[fuey]

**** me dead... I do nothing, I'm a campaigner. I do something, I'm a campaigner. Who would want to be a league GM???? At the end of the day, being the LM, I made the executive decision, cos noone else ever makes one. Plenty of bleating and crying, but noone makes a suggestion on how to punish. SO I make it.

I said last year I would be keeping a close eye on it. And I have. You don't need to go back through, I literally look through each team every week, two, three, sometimes more times when I'm doing the write up. I even discussed with panda2com and TCol on Cup Day last week a potential issue like this with a team. So please, trust me it's not a one off thought.


As for the punishment, I am all ears. There's so many variables, like I said, I don't think it was blatant cheating. Happy to change it again, but say we do lowest position score, Kaleb Johnsons 0.3, compared to the 0.0, why would I bother doing anything?? Highest projected score?? I dunno.

Everyone agree on how we want it punished, and I will execute. You guys gave me nothing, so I made a decision.

Also, I'm not angry. but help ME help YOU!

 

[fuey]

Love you all

 

[Chism]

**** me dead... I do nothing, I'm a campaigner. I do something, I'm a campaigner. Who would want to be a league GM???? At the end of the day, being the LM, I made the executive decision, cos noone else ever makes one. Plenty of bleating and crying, but noone makes a suggestion on how to punish. SO I make it.

I said last year I would be keeping a close eye on it. And I have. You don't need to go back through, I literally look through each team every week, two, three, sometimes more times when I'm doing the write up. I even discussed with panda2com and TCol on Cup Day last week a potential issue like this with a team. So please, trust me it's not a one off thought.


As for the punishment, I am all ears. There's so many variables, like I said, I don't think it was blatant cheating. Happy to change it again, but say we do lowest position score, Kaleb Johnsons 0.3, compared to the 0.0, why would I bother doing anything?? Highest projected score?? I dunno.

Everyone agree on how we want it punished, and I will execute. You guys gave me nothing, so I made a decision.

Also, I'm not angry. but help ME help YOU!

If you are going to sub non players it needs to be the lowest scoring in the possy from a said rosters bench. Not the highest.

Before they play is the better option but makes your Sunday night a hectic one which i understand.

Will take the loss on the chin and move on but moving forward it needs to be written in black and white what you are going to do if people start IR players or players no chance of playing. You cannot cherry pick players after they have played to replace non starting players at your own discretion.

 

[Chism]

I also did make a comment to take draft picks off blatant tankers but i was out voted.

In this instance you subbed non starting players to another blokes team to make it close as you could come the last game of the week.

I was over 20pts in front come the last game we both only had a QB in. You cherry picked what bench options you could to make us nearly level with both teams a QB to play.

I got bent over and i will cop it but whatever decisions you make as league GM we need to be told so it is clear moving forward. You cannot cherry pick replacements after they have played.

That is all.

 

[manureid]

**** me dead... I do nothing, I'm a campaigner. I do something, I'm a campaigner. Who would want to be a league GM???? At the end of the day, being the LM, I made the executive decision, cos noone else ever makes one. Plenty of bleating and crying, but noone makes a suggestion on how to punish. SO I make it.

I said last year I would be keeping a close eye on it. And I have. You don't need to go back through, I literally look through each team every week, two, three, sometimes more times when I'm doing the write up. I even discussed with panda2com and TCol on Cup Day last week a potential issue like this with a team. So please, trust me it's not a one off thought.


As for the punishment, I am all ears. There's so many variables, like I said, I don't think it was blatant cheating. Happy to change it again, but say we do lowest position score, Kaleb Johnsons 0.3, compared to the 0.0, why would I bother doing anything?? Highest projected score?? I dunno.

Everyone agree on how we want it punished, and I will execute. You guys gave me nothing, so I made a decision.

Also, I'm not angry. but help ME help YOU!

Is sometimes hard to get feedback on anything in leagues. Have had the same in others so is not unusual.

Being new to this league I am oblivious to past possible indiscretions by teams, but always should be that team that faces punishment not the non offenders. But I get the issues around how to punish teams because its easy for people to spit the dummy and pull out.

The sleeper league we are in is an example of minimising tanking but using the lottery pick system. So no pick 1 guaranteed if you finish with the worse record. Doesn't reward tanking that way.

 

[manureid]

And for those in this league that may happen to read this thread, the sleeper system we have a lottery for the bottom 4 teams, then the next bottom 4, then the top 4 are in finishing order. So if you tank and finish last you may only still get pick 4.

 

[fuey]

Ok, so options...

OPTION 1: Top of the draft lottery.
Pros- Decreases the likelihood of a higher pick.
Cons- Will still tank to increase the chances at a higher pick, and penalises those who play full strength and are still shit.

OPTION 2: Highest scoring player from the position.
Pros- Incentive to tank is very low.
Cons- Harsh on the opposing team.

OPTION 3: Lowest scoring player from the position.
Pros- Fair to the opposing team.
Cons- Potentially useless if the low score is really low.

OPTION 4: Highest projected scoring player from the position.
Pros- Truly random, score could be anything.
Cons- Truly random, score could be anything.

OPTION 5: Average of players from the position.
Pros- More accurate score for what the team could've played.
Cons- Making fuey do math.

Now, my personal opinion is we need to both the lottery AND one of the other options, but we'll put that to a vote BEFORE the 2026 draft, to commence FOR the 2026 draft.

So please discuss, thoughts on any other pros and cons, or any other options.

 

[fuey]

Oh also, I'm out of the country next week, but should still have some access, bur probably not a lot of time, so no shenanigans, campaigners.

 

[Chism]

Option 3.

Any score is better than a 0.

 

[manureid]

Dallas kneeling at the 5 yard line with me losing.... I have Dak and Ferguson....still 2 and half minutes to go.

 

[manureid]

With 4 minutes to go... for the win for me, Ceedee drops this.

 

[arakaan]

Ah crap Didn't even realise Burrow was back and the game is already locked out.

Oh well

Edit : and just realised Fuey has Burrow. Double Whammy. Season over bring on the draft.