No Oppo Supporters Tanner Bruhn - charges formally dropped

[dudusmaximus]

I don't buy the celebrity conspiracy theories and all that. But this is the value of our justice system. Both sides are being tested, and hopefully, the truth will come out. This time it did, and that's a good result for justice in our state.

Was it though? State resources were spent (incl. possibly paying legal expenses to TB & co-accused). There's the opportunity cost of prioritising this "dead-end" over other crime. The accused(s) could sue for damages. The complainant and lead prosecution witness could face perjury charges.

Celebrity aside, the fact that the security cameras conflicted with the story and the medical condition (re: memory), if true, of the lead prosecution witness were red flags. Vetting of the witness left a lot to be desired. This isn't flying some flag (feminism etc.). No one comes out of such allegations unscathed. The DPP should have done more diligence.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Was it though? State resources were spent (incl. possibly paying legal expenses to TB & co-accused). There's the opportunity cost of prioritising this "dead-end" over other crime. The accused(s) could sue for damages. The complainant and lead prosecution witness could face perjury charges.

Celebrity aside, the fact that the security cameras conflicted with the story and the medical condition (re: memory), if true, of the lead prosecution witness were red flags. Vetting of the witness left a lot to be desired. This isn't flying some flag (feminism etc.). No one comes out of such allegations unscathed. The DPP should have done more diligence.

Run history again but with them dropping charges and you'll find that they're under even more heat for dropping charges against a professional athlete where there was corroborating witness statements however flimsy

The alternative course of action writes it's own true crime podcast with Tanner the villain, the police corrupt, the club complicit

 

[dudusmaximus]

Run history again but with them dropping charges and you'll find that they're under even more heat for dropping charges against a professional athlete where there was corroborating witness statements however flimsy

The alternative course of action writes it's own true crime podcast with Tanner the villain, the police corrupt, the club complicit

That should not even factor in the decision-making. Everyone is equal under the law (whether celebrity or not). When you bring the considerable resources of the state against an individual. you exercise more caution. Every DPP's decision will come under scrutiny. Comes with the territory.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

That should not even factor in the decision-making. Everyone is equal under the law (whether celebrity or not). When you bring the considerable resources of the state against an individual. you exercise more caution. Every DPP's decision will come under scrutiny. Comes with the territory.

It shouldn't but if it's line ball it will

 

[iameviljez]

That's a contradiction. If he's innocent she's not a victim.

That’s not how presumption of innocence works

 

[IHurley]

That’s not how presumption of innocence works

How does it work then? I would have thought that once the complainant tells her story that's the end of her relationship with the police until any trial occurs. No coaching, no counselling, no "support" from police or prosecutors of any kind - although obviously she can be supported by those with no connection to the investigation. If in the process of investigating her story the accused turns out to have what appears to be an airtight alibi the police can call her in again to explain the discrepancy and if she can't, she risks being charged herself.

 

[dazbroncos]

But here's the thing: the criminal court system is not based on what you believe. It's not based on people's opinions of women and what they claim. It's based on evidence. And that evidence must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is either guilty or not guilty. Randyzany's rant is irrelevant. Let's not let the actions of one misguided woman set us on the path to misogyny.

And thank you for proving my point.
You posted about the Mods needing to chill.

Your post contains nothing about Geelong Football.

So this will be closing. Your opinions and conversation are all valid.. just not in a GFC thread.

So us Mods are all gonna chill over here in the Mod break room and we’re gonna lock this up on the timeline we discussed earlier

Go Catters

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Tanner's case had nothing to do with the GFC, only in the sense that he is a current player there. So you're overreaction to some mild discussion proves my point about over-moderation in this forum.

 

[Tony Barber]

Tanner's case had nothing to do with the GFC, only in the sense that he is a current player there. So you're overreaction to some mild discussion proves my point about over-moderation in this forum.

Over moderation would have probably been to lock the thread without consulting the community here on a touchy subject.

But that didn't happen did it?

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Over moderation would have probably been to lock the thread without consulting the community here on a touchy subject.

But that didn't happen did it?

No, it's just the mods are afraid that if they have an even mildly controversial thread like this one, then they might actually have to do some moderating. So the best way to prevent this is to lock the thread. Then they don't have to do any moderating. Cool and normal.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Run history again but with them dropping charges and you'll find that they're under even more heat for dropping charges against a professional athlete where there was corroborating witness statements however flimsy

The alternative course of action writes it's own true crime podcast with Tanner the villain, the police corrupt, the club complicit

Normally I would agree with you but when there is CCTV that literally disproves the witness statements and he said what he said that should have been a huge red flag. The DPP should have backgrounded the witness much better and the case never should have been brought. Massive waste of tax $.

 

[cats_09]

No, it's just the mods are afraid that if they have an even mildly controversial thread like this one, then they might actually have to do some moderating. So the best way to prevent this is to lock the thread. Then they don't have to do any moderating. Cool and normal.

It was a mod who started this thread so that there would be a singular location on the Geelong board for relevant discussion rather than it unnecessarily creeping into multiple other threads on this board

It then took just 2 replies after starting this thread before a suggestion was made to lock it - something that the Geelong mod team and BF admin team have refrained from doing during the 12 months plus that this has been ongoing, knowing & understanding it's better to have a place for discussion while it's relevant to do so



As for the idea of "Then they don't have to do any moderating"

How about you guys actually get together about whether the Geelong mod team over moderate or under moderate things... For 6->7 months of the year the complaints are about being too relaxed, open and accepting of the discussion on the Geelong board, especially when it comes to not whacking every opposition poster who dares to say boo

But then the times we actually have to put the tracksuit on & remind folks to be mindful of the discussion, we get told we need to learn to chill... Need to make up your minds


The last 13 months have likely been the longest 13 months of Tanner's life, and last week's confirmation puts to end (for now) this chapter of things

Maybe it's also time for those of us on the outside getting updates via what was deemed as permitted to be published in the media, to close this chapter and move forward with looking ahead to 2026

 

[Cataholic]

No, it's just the mods are afraid that if they have an even mildly controversial thread like this one, then they might actually have to do some moderating. So the best way to prevent this is to lock the thread. Then they don't have to do any moderating. Cool and normal.

Got to disagree here.

I think they do a good job of moderating the board whilst allowing a good degree of lenient discussion imo.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Dont normally post in these threads

But seeing the AFL stood Bruhn down , and im not against that because it was a very serious charge

So what was the final outcome a few years back of the St George player who was also stood down , but his case from memory , the prosecution case was alot stronger than Bruhns

 

[cats_09]

Dont normally post in these threads

But seeing the AFL stood Bruhn down , and im not against that because it was a very serious charge

So what was the final outcome a few years back of the St George player who was also stood down , but his case from memory , the prosecution case was alot stronger than Bruhns

Jack de Belin is the player in question - the main dates are

• 13 Dec 2018 he was charged with aggravated sexual assault
• 28 Feb 2019 he was stood down by the NRL
• 24 July 2019 he was committed to stand trial
• 13 Feb 2020, his trial was delayed until 8 April 2020 due to an ill witness
• Nov 2020 is when further issues arose with his case when the NSW Police Officer tasked with leading the investigation, admitted to willfully lying to the court while under oath and failing to disclose inconsistencies in the alleged victim's statement - he was later arrested and charged with perjury, with sentencing coming in Sept this year
• 30 Nov 2020, his trial was delayed further after the jury failed to reach a verdict and were subsequently discharged
• 3 May 2021, the jury in his retail retired to consider its verdict; the jury was unable to reach a verdict on five of the charges, and returned a not guilty verdict on the sixth charge. He remained stood down by the NRL pending the outcome of a third trial option.
• 27 May 2021, all remaining charges were dropped
• 28 May 2021, the NRL registered his playing contract
• 29 May 2021 he lined up for St. George Illawarra's NSW Cup side, more than 1000 days since his last competitive match
• 3 June 2021 he made his first grade return

Jack de Belin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gazza Greatness]

It was a mod who started this thread so that there would be a singular location on the Geelong board for relevant discussion rather than it unnecessarily creeping into multiple other threads on this board

It then took just 2 replies after starting this thread before a suggestion was made to lock it - something that the Geelong mod team and BF admin team have refrained from doing during the 12 months plus that this has been ongoing, knowing & understanding it's better to have a place for discussion while it's relevant to do so



As for the idea of "Then they don't have to do any moderating"

How about you guys actually get together about whether the Geelong mod team over moderate or under moderate things... For 6->7 months of the year the complaints are about being too relaxed, open and accepting of the discussion on the Geelong board, especially when it comes to not whacking every opposition poster who dares to say boo

But then the times we actually have to put the tracksuit on & remind folks to be mindful of the discussion, we get told we need to learn to chill... Need to make up your minds


The last 13 months have likely been the longest 13 months of Tanner's life, and last week's confirmation puts to end (for now) this chapter of things

Maybe it's also time for those of us on the outside getting updates via what was deemed as permitted to be published in the media, to close this chapter and move forward with looking ahead to 2026

cats_09 just wanna let you know that from my own personal point of view you handled the whole TB situation and thread with great patience and moderation given it's complex nature and only stepped in when required which also included me btw, you even provided a forwarding thread if folks wanted to go further, so thanks for your great work.

 

[cats_09]

cats_09 just wanna let you know that from my own personal point of view you handled the whole TB situation and thread with great patience and moderation given it's complex nature and only stepped in when required which also included me btw, you even provided a forwarding thread if folks wanted to go further, so thanks for your great work.

Appreciated

 

[Max Caddy]

Got to disagree here.

I think they do a good job of moderating the board whilst allowing a good degree of lenient discussion imo.

Agreed - try the Geelong reddit if you want to experience a forum run by a school teacher who treats members as children

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Looking forward to Caroline Wilson's strident defence of Bruhn. "How dare she?" has a decent ring to it.

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If she can dish it out, she has to hack it when it’s served back.

Caroline Wilson is unscrupulous when it comes to Geelong. Sure, she’s a Richmond fan, still, as a journalist, she allows her irrational feelings to pervade her work.

She’s been in a state of uncontrolled rage about Geelong’s audit in regard to “discrepancies” + “third-party payments”. Now they were fined, her Schadenfreude must be colossal

A quote regarding the Bruhn case, from another forum, about her:
“I can see Caroline Wilson tearing up the pre written story in a fit of rage though. She's been on Geelong's case all year. She must be pretty frustrated with that suppression order.”

It’s become too tiresome from those whose only entertainment is enjoying being perpetually outraged!

 

[Zouz Kitty]

All this could have been avoided if the disgusting gynocentric misandrist mindset that plagues modern society of ‘believing all women’ was challenged and no longer adhered to.

Some harp on that it is absolutely vital that all women should be believed as if innocent men accused of these assaults are unimportant inconsequential collateral of that stance.

Well I say one innocent person suffering reputational damage out of 1 million is too much, particularly when some end up committing suicide.

Women are just as flawed as men and not above committing immoral, unethical, criminal conduct .As that attitude prevails it is not surprising that there will be women who would inevitably take advantage of it, especially as there appears to be no repercussions for said criminal behaviour.

There’s a middle ground between ‘not believing women’ and immediately treating any man that is accused as ‘guilty until proven innocent’.

Any of these sorts of allegations of a sexual nature should be off limits to the media (regardless whether they’re a high profile person or not) and heavy fines, in the millions if necessary, awarded to the accused to discourage the tabloid scum from ‘accidentally’ publishing the names of those involved.

These measures may never completely discourage low-live women from lying about these incidents for their own vindictive agendas ( some women take pleasure in how a false accusation can still linger on long after the case has been thrown out of court and cause damage to the reputation of a man anyway, and that’s often enough to sate their lust for revenge) but will significantly reduce it and that’s a good thing.

The children, preyed upon by Epstein, Trump + their cronies, say “Hi.”

Consider in Victoria:
The majority of rapes are not reported to police;
Nine in 10 women do not report sexual assault to police;
Attrition in the number of cases, was highest during the police investigation stage;
Conviction rate for rapists is very low. Only 1 in 7 sexual offences, reported to police were ultimately proved in court;
Only 5% of reported SA are proved to be false.

Sexual assault statistics are quite old. From 2012 to 2016, the number of sexual assault offences has increased by 45%.

While I accept that in Bruhn’s case the claimant + witness lied, SA is the most underreported crime in Australia.

In this case, the claimant + Harrison Martin should be charged + hopefully gaoled for perjury. They should be penalised for the horrors Tanner Bruhn + Patrick Sinnott have suffered + will continue to be afflicted by. Frankly, why is the claimant being protected?

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Thats victoria for you. Guilty until proven innocent

“Guilty until proven innocent”, is endemic worldwide.

 

[iameviljez]

The children, preyed upon by Epstein, Trump + their cronies, say “Hi.”

Consider in Victoria:
The majority of rapes are not reported to police;
Nine in 10 women do not report sexual assault to police;
Attrition in the number of cases, was highest during the police investigation stage;
Conviction rate for rapists is very low. Only 1 in 7 sexual offences, reported to police were ultimately proved in court;
Only 5% of reported SA are proved to be false.

Sexual assault statistics are quite old. From 2012 to 2016, the number of sexual assault offences has increased by 45%.

While I accept that in Bruhn’s case the claimant + witness lied, SA is the most underreported crime in Australia.

In this case, the claimant + Harrison Martin should be charged + hopefully gaoled for perjury. They should be penalised for the horrors Tanner Bruhn + Patrick Sinnott have suffered + will continue to be afflicted by. Frankly, why is the claimant being protected?

Given the low rate of guilty findings, sexual assault complainant names should not be made public even after a charges dropped or not guilty verdict. That said, I would prefer the names of the accused not be made public either

 

[iameviljez]

How does it work then? I would have thought that once the complainant tells her story that's the end of her relationship with the police until any trial occurs. No coaching, no counselling, no "support" from police or prosecutors of any kind

The presumption of innocence comes from the justice system, not from the prosecutors.

The presumption of innocence also applies to all parties - that he is presumed innocent, by the justice system, of rape until proven guilty. Likewise, she is innocent of perjury or false accusation, by the justice system, until proven guilty.

Sometimes there is just not enough evidence to prove either case to a sufficiently high standard of proof.

 

[iameviljez]

While I accept that in Bruhn’s case the claimant + witness lied, SA is the most underreported crime in Australia.

It's also that alleged victims cop a massive character assassination in court - including a very thorough examination of their sexual history, as though that's relevant.

 

[Generalissimo]

It's also that alleged victims cop a massive character assassination in court - including a very thorough examination of their sexual history, as though that's relevant.

That depends on the exact history. The number of past partners isn't relevant, but previous unsubstantiated allegations of sexual misconduct against other people would be relevant.