List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[twce13]

I’m really trying to come around to CDT at pick 2.

I realise he’s athletically gifted and a great accumulator around the ground, but I still can’t get over the following:

• he’s somewhat undersized for a ruck and doesn’t look likely to grow anymore
• his ruck craft looks dead average
• he doesn’t have an elite jump
• he’s more of a forward than ruck and we are relatively covered for that (Snake, Hand Jobe, Jilliams, Archer, Billiams, etc).

I’m still most definitely team Sharp, or even Robey for that matter, but it looks near certain to be CDT.

I assume he is simply the best available at that pick?

He will likely provide us with a mismatch around the ground tho which is a big positive.

For ruck craft we really just need him to be competitive in there, ensuring opposition don’t get easy clearances. One of my big grievances with Flynn this last year was after the initial hitout, which generally he was ok at, he was legit useless and any semi good ruckman made us pay. CDT should at the very least be extremely competitive at ground level for a guy his size.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Bit of a balls up on Clarke's behalf not getting/making an effort for pick 9 (potentially). Banfield, Evans and William although very talented are only worthy of Rookie spots not seniors spot. Those latter picks should of been bundled up with 13 to move into the top 10. Not to mention the possibility the latter picks may not even be required because of our tight list spots. We've just let rebuilding clubs like Roos and the bombers get a free pass on players we require like dovaston, Farrow or even Sharp sliding. Happy to be labelled a bedwetter than be an apologist for a club that does dumb shit time and time again.

Didn’t North just throw more good assets after bad trying to pick up the pieces of the Whitlock trade?

Now: 27 (Whitlock) and 11+ in, for 3 and their F2 (20ish) out.

Which is assuming there isn’t a bit more going Carlton’s way this year (46 from North?) as that’s currently a 600+ point loss for Carlton who are explicitly trading for points.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

Any chance that essendon has moved for 9 in order to try to get 2 while still having another top 10 pick available?

 

[HoneyBadger35]

With the ESS/NM/CARL debacle our pick 13 suddenly seems difficult to choose.

1-Willem Duursma (WCE)
2-Cooper Duff-Tytler (WCE)
3-Sullivan Robey (RICH)
4-Xavier Taylor (RICH)
5-Dyson Sharp (ESS)
6-Sam Cumming (ESS)
7-Sam Grlj (MELB)
8-Aidan Schubert (MELB)
9-Lachy Dovaston (ESS)
10-Josh Lindsay (HAW)
11-Mitchell Marsh (NM)
12-Jacob Farrow (GWS)
13-??? (WCE)

Upside picks would be Barker or Phillipou. Greeves and O Taylor may be in the mix for polar opposite reasons. We may be offered a F1 from a bottom 10 side. I’d take the Saints one if it were offered.

Question as someone that was only loosely following mocks that far down prior to this.

Why does this trade change the landscape for us at 13? Was the expectation that 9/11/both were going to be eaten by a Dean bid, would it not have been expected that Carlton would make a points play like this at some stage as needed?

 

[twce13]

I’ve been 50/50 for a while on CDT vs Robey. And it’s been interesting to see a few posters now acknowledging the possibility of Robey at 2. I still would have the likelihood as 80/20 in CDTs favour on draft night due to his obvious athletic traits for his size and more proven form over a longer period.

But I can’t help but think our dire midfield stocks could sway the club into taking Robey as the modern prototype of a powerful and damaging mid/fwd who can rack up the footy and genuinely hit the scoreboard. Would align with Minis attacking gameplan to have Harley/Hewett/Robey rotating mid/fwd creating headaches. Then add in Warner and it could be one hell of a dynamic midfield. We’re adding some mature role players to help Graham and Hall with the defensive cover.

CDT could be anything and I’d certainly be excited to watch him play. But the reality is he won’t be ruck-ready for a few years and our key forward stocks are pretty strong. Jobe, Jake, Archer, JWill, Baz and possibly Walter in the future. Waterman is only 27, Williams x2 are probably expendable provided Archer shows a bit more in the ruck, but I don’t know how lumbering Flynn will go holding up the ruck with the new rules. CDT and Archer could be a decent ruck/fwd duo in a few years all things going well, but there’s a couple of good rucks next draft also (Axel Walsh gets a few mentions).

I’m genuinely torn on who I would prefer. Probably leaning towards Robey for the midfield need but there’s a chance he ends up more of a mid sized forward like Zurhaar/Stringer as opposed to the Petracca/De Goey type. Wouldn’t be the worst outcome I suppose.

Sounds like CDT would need a fair bit of coaching to get his ruck craft to a level to justify the TDK/Jackson comparisons but if he can torch his opponent around the ground does it matter? Tim English is 7cm taller and loses the hit out count every week but still got himself an AA blazer and had us throwing $1M+ a year at him.

For all robey hype as a modern power midfielder, his stoppage craft is an unknown. Even in his purple patch, his highlights weren’t him blazing away from the contest, moreso him beating guys around the ground.

Stoppage craft isn’t something we can just assume will come natural. Robey is highly speculative and a very risky pick at 2.

I doubt eagles go for him.

 

[WCEswift]

With the ESS/NM/CARL debacle our pick 13 suddenly seems difficult to choose.

1-Willem Duursma (WCE)
2-Cooper Duff-Tytler (WCE)
3-Sullivan Robey (RICH)
4-Xavier Taylor (RICH)
5-Dyson Sharp (ESS)
6-Sam Cumming (ESS)
7-Sam Grlj (MELB)
8-Aidan Schubert (MELB)
9-Lachy Dovaston (ESS)
10-Josh Lindsay (HAW)
11-Mitchell Marsh (NM)
12-Jacob Farrow (GWS)
13-??? (WCE)

Upside picks would be Barker or Phillipou. Greeves and O Taylor may be in the mix for polar opposite reasons. We may be offered a F1 from a bottom 10 side. I’d take the Saints one if it were offered.

i like sumner pickett there in that scenario

 

[WCEswift]

For all robey hype as a modern power midfielder, his stoppage craft is an unknown. Even in his purple patch, his highlights weren’t him blazing away from the contest, moreso him beating guys around the ground.

Stoppage craft isn’t something we can just assume will come natural. Robey is highly speculative and a very risky pick at 2.

I doubt eagles go for him.

It takes the biggest body mid at stoppage away from harley because of how big robey is

 

[twce13]

Question as someone that was only loosely following mocks that far down prior to this.

Why does this trade change the landscape for us at 13? Was the expectation that 9/11/both were going to be eaten by a Dean bid, would it not have been expected that Carlton would make a points play like this at some stage as needed?

Yeah it was really inevitable, either we get 9 or two other kids are taken before ours.

I think we need to just chill and let the draft come to us.

 

[eaglevision]

Question as someone that was only loosely following mocks that far down prior to this.

Why does this trade change the landscape for us at 13? Was the expectation that 9/11/both were going to be eaten by a Dean bid, would it not have been expected that Carlton would make a points play like this at some stage as needed?

I would have thought a short slide of 9 and 53 for 13,34,41 would be an absolute slam dunk. Then keep points farming 13 and so on.

Another pick for Essendon, who now have 3 picks before our 13 and a pick for North to me means the chance of Dovaston or Schubert being available at 13 is now very low.

If they are gone and the other top 10 picks go similar to expected I don’t see a good option for us at 13 anymore.

Lindsay and Farrow are HBFs. Barker and Phillipou are upside picks and probably a bit of a reach there. Barker will miss almost all the season. Greeves has some big issues, particularly with our game style relying on pace and pressure.

Might be best to take the F1 and run.

 

[txbyhull]

Question as someone that was only loosely following mocks that far down prior to this.

Why does this trade change the landscape for us at 13? Was the expectation that 9/11/both were going to be eaten by a Dean bid, would it not have been expected that Carlton would make a points play like this at some stage as needed?

It's likely to do with players those clubs would be looking at. An Adelaide or Collingwood would almost exclusively have been trading into a Sharp slide, whereas North would likely be going early on a Schubert, or even a Barker, while Essendon is likely to pick up an extra mid/non mid depending on picks 5 and 6 (think Cumming, Grlj, Farrow, Dovaston types).

It pushes our landscape even further towards players we shouldn't really be chasing, like a Lindsay. If everything shakes out I think we'll be pointed towards even a Pickett.

I'd like to get the chance to knuckle down and look into the possibilities and will inevitably end up writing some out in here

 

[twce13]

It takes the biggest body mid at stoppage away from harley because of how big robey is

lol. Cool man. Let’s just put harry Barnett in there as a mid .

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I would have thought a short slide of 9 and 53 for 13,34,41 would be an absolute slam dunk. Then keep points farming 13 and so on.

Another pick for Essendon, who now have 3 picks before our 13 and a pick for North to me means the chance of Dovaston or Schubert being available at 13 is now very low.

If they are gone and the other top 10 picks go similar to expected I don’t see a good option for us at 13 anymore.

Lindsay and Farrow are HBFs. Barker and Phillipou are upside picks and probably a bit of a reach there. Barker will miss almost all the season. Greeves has some big issues, particularly with our game style relying on pace and pressure.

Might be best to take the F1 and run.

It's likely to do with players those clubs would be looking at. An Adelaide or Collingwood would almost exclusively have been trading into a Sharp slide, whereas North would likely be going early on a Schubert, or even a Barker, while Essendon is likely to pick up an extra mid/non mid depending on picks 5 and 6 (think Cumming, Grlj, Farrow, Dovaston types).

It pushes our landscape even further towards players we shouldn't really be chasing, like a Lindsay. If everything shakes out I think we'll be pointed towards even a Pickett.

I'd like to get the chance to knuckle down and look into the possibilities and will inevitably end up writing some out in here

Thanks.

Thoughts on if this is Essendon making one last play to move up the order? Not enough smoke?

 

[eaglevision]

Thanks.

Thoughts on if this is Essendon making one last play to move up the order? Not enough smoke?

I think they may offer 6 and 9 for 2 and 13.

I’d counter with 2,13,F3 for 5,9,F2 and hope their CDT boner is as engorged as reported. Then hope like **** Richmond don’t take Sharp and Cumming, which realistically we’ll know anyway.

 

[mat11]

I would have thought a short slide of 9 and 53 for 13,34,41 would be an absolute slam dunk. Then keep points farming 13 and so on.

Another pick for Essendon, who now have 3 picks before our 13 and a pick for North to me means the chance of Dovaston or Schubert being available at 13 is now very low.

If they are gone and the other top 10 picks go similar to expected I don’t see a good option for us at 13 anymore.

Lindsay and Farrow are HBFs. Barker and Phillipou are upside picks and probably a bit of a reach there. Barker will miss almost all the season. Greeves has some big issues, particularly with our game style relying on pace and pressure.

Might be best to take the F1 and run.

I think Barker might be worth a shot but the f1 is tempting. The only issue I'd have is i think Saints may enjoy a short 1 year sugar hit before the massive implosion occurs.

 

[txbyhull]

Thanks.

Thoughts on if this is Essendon making one last play to move up the order? Not enough smoke?

I think the most plausible explanation, and likely the consensus, is that neither team has a draft had that lends to a fair (Essendon paying overs but not OVERS) trade. 2 and 13 for 5 or 6 and 9 is not enough for the Eagles to pull the trigger, nor is 2 for 6 and 9 enough for Essendon. Any way you slice it the trade doesn't quite fit, like trying to fit a pentagon into a square shaped hole.

 

[eaglevision]

I think Barker might be worth a shot but the f1 is tempting. The only issue I'd have is i think Saints may enjoy a short 1 year sugar hit before the massive implosion occurs.

I really like Barker, would have dominated the combine. Saints may struggle to gel with four new B23 players but time will tell. I’d take any of the bottom 8 F1s. Dogs and Swans 50/50.

 

[The_Reaper]

I still prefer Sharp but have come around to the upsides of CDT.

 

[WCEswift]

lol. Cool man. Let’s just put harry Barnett in there as a mid .

robey is good. check mate

 

[Keys]

With the ESS/NM/CARL debacle our pick 13 suddenly seems difficult to choose.

1-Willem Duursma (WCE)
2-Cooper Duff-Tytler (WCE)
3-Sullivan Robey (RICH)
4-Xavier Taylor (RICH)
5-Dyson Sharp (ESS)
6-Sam Cumming (ESS)
7-Sam Grlj (MELB)
8-Aidan Schubert (MELB)
9-Lachy Dovaston (ESS)
10-Josh Lindsay (HAW)
11-Mitchell Marsh (NM)
12-Jacob Farrow (GWS)
13-??? (WCE)

Upside picks would be Barker or Phillipou. Greeves and O Taylor may be in the mix for polar opposite reasons. We may be offered a F1 from a bottom 10 side. I’d take the Saints one if it were offered.

Not that I think he’ll be there because Melbourne are more likely than not to draft him, but I’d be looking at Nairn in your scenario

Or Barker as the player with the most upside still on the board would be my preference

 

[mitchzz]

With the ESS/NM/CARL debacle our pick 13 suddenly seems difficult to choose.

1-Willem Duursma (WCE)
2-Cooper Duff-Tytler (WCE)
3-Sullivan Robey (RICH)
4-Xavier Taylor (RICH)
5-Dyson Sharp (ESS)
6-Sam Cumming (ESS)
7-Sam Grlj (MELB)
8-Aidan Schubert (MELB)
9-Lachy Dovaston (ESS)
10-Josh Lindsay (HAW)
11-Mitchell Marsh (NM)
12-Jacob Farrow (GWS)
13-??? (WCE)

Upside picks would be Barker or Phillipou. Greeves and O Taylor may be in the mix for polar opposite reasons. We may be offered a F1 from a bottom 10 side. I’d take the Saints one if it were offered.

I feel like Naarm pick Nairn with one of their picks

 

[TheBudgies]

I think the most plausible explanation, and likely the consensus, is that neither team has a draft had that lends to a fair (Essendon paying overs but not OVERS) trade. 2 and 13 for 5 or 6 and 9 is not enough for the Eagles to pull the trigger, nor is 2 for 6 and 9 enough for Essendon. Any way you slice it the trade doesn't quite fit, like trying to fit a pentagon into a square shaped hole.

Tend to agree. Maybe 2,13,41 for 5,9 and a future 2nd or 3rd maybe? Gives the Dons a chance at their NGAs. Or 34( becomes 26ish post bids) in there instead of 13 and no futures?

I feel like something is missing from the predicted trade. Maybe Carlton pick 54 going back to the Dons? Dons send that to us too?

 

[Underdog]

I’m really trying to come around to CDT at pick 2.

I realise he’s athletically gifted and a great accumulator around the ground, but I still can’t get over the following:

• he’s somewhat undersized for a ruck and doesn’t look likely to grow anymore
• his ruck craft looks dead average
• he doesn’t have an elite jump
• he’s more of a forward than ruck and we are relatively covered for that (Snake, Hand Jobe, Jilliams, Archer, Billiams, etc).

I’m still most definitely team Sharp, or even Robey for that matter, but it looks near certain to be CDT.

I assume he is simply the best available at that pick?

I've expressed similar concerns but am comfortable that he appears to comfortably be the #2 pick.

I'd imagine that we'd be looking at playing him in the old Darling role, leading up onto the wings and allowing Waterman and Shanahan play closer to goal. He could then play 2nd ruck if Archer leads it. For mine, he'd be a big upgrade on the Williams' boys.

He might even surprise us with his ruck ability.

Either way, he may be able to help us transition the footy between the arcs.

 

[Underdog]

It takes the biggest body mid at stoppage away from harley because of how big robey is

I don't think that really happened when Hough played mid and he was pretty handy.

 

[ashstores]

So given this, why wouldn’t blues trade 9 to us instead of Essendon, save themselves a heap of points.
Makes no sense given we were reported to be after 9.
Mexican stand off. We lost

Again

 

[eaglevision]

Not that I think he’ll be there because Melbourne are more likely than not to draft him, but I’d be looking at Nairn in your scenario

Or Barker as the player with the most upside still on the board would be my preference

Seems crazy to me that Melbourne would take Nairn over Schubert but he’s been called up to night one and linked to Melbourne so you may well be right. Schubert probably goes to Bombers or North in that scenario.